Panic Button for Chase/Kawi?

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

PNWMXer wrote:

There’s a huge difference between “settling for a third” and not even being in contention for a top 5-10 as a premier rider. If the setup...

There’s a huge difference between “settling for a third” and not even being in contention for a top 5-10 as a premier rider. If the setup is so bad that a winning guy is falling that far behind, it’s because they took it there with endless meddling and/or there’s a mental/effort issue with the rider. 

aees wrote:

The point is still, a few clicks off and that can be the difference between winning or a third today. AP almost won last year, same thing...

The point is still, a few clicks off and that can be the difference between winning or a third today. 

AP almost won last year, same thing. Going between 6th or 7th and podium/win at same track. Said they went wrong direction on shock adjustment, couldn't hold on to bike.

3 clicks can make a shock and bike go from balanced to very unbalanced, specially rebound. Same with sag, 1-2mm can make bike not turn or oversteer. That's a quarter to half a turn preload on spring. Window is never as big as some seem to think.

PNWMXer wrote:

Correct. But Chase isn’t going from winning to settling for a third. Other than his couple flashes of brilliance, he’s so far back that if not...

Correct. But Chase isn’t going from winning to settling for a third. Other than his couple flashes of brilliance, he’s so far back that if not for his status as a top guy, we wouldn’t even be talking about him. 

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Anyone else seen this? Theyre behind suzuki in mx2, who almost doesnt even make a 250 its so irrelevant and hasnt had a team in years...

Anyone else seen this? Theyre behind suzuki in mx2, who almost doesnt even make a 250 its so irrelevant and hasnt had a team in years. Wtf? 


 

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

soggy wrote:

I think the only bridge he maybe burnt was ktm.  He’ll have factory rides as long as he wants to race. 

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

soggy wrote:

I think the only bridge he maybe burnt was ktm.  He’ll have factory rides as long as he wants to race. 

aees wrote:

Best example of how setup matters is Jett last year (outdoors).Said himself he had to settle for a third than to go for a win because...

Best example of how setup matters is Jett last year (outdoors).

Said himself he had to settle for a third than to go for a win because he felt shock setting was off during race. Couldn't push as he wanted. Fixed it to race 2, and won.

That says something about how steep competition is.

PNWMXer wrote:

There’s a huge difference between “settling for a third” and not even being in contention for a top 5-10 as a premier rider. If the setup...

There’s a huge difference between “settling for a third” and not even being in contention for a top 5-10 as a premier rider. If the setup is so bad that a winning guy is falling that far behind, it’s because they took it there with endless meddling and/or there’s a mental/effort issue with the rider. 

aees wrote:

The point is still, a few clicks off and that can be the difference between winning or a third today. AP almost won last year, same thing...

The point is still, a few clicks off and that can be the difference between winning or a third today. 

AP almost won last year, same thing. Going between 6th or 7th and podium/win at same track. Said they went wrong direction on shock adjustment, couldn't hold on to bike.

3 clicks can make a shock and bike go from balanced to very unbalanced, specially rebound. Same with sag, 1-2mm can make bike not turn or oversteer. That's a quarter to half a turn preload on spring. Window is never as big as some seem to think.

Pop Shmoke wrote:

Anyone else seen this? Theyre behind suzuki in mx2, who almost doesnt even make a 250 its so irrelevant and hasnt had a team in years...

Anyone else seen this? Theyre behind suzuki in mx2, who almost doesnt even make a 250 its so irrelevant and hasnt had a team in years. Wtf? 


 

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

soggy wrote:

I think the only bridge he maybe burnt was ktm.  He’ll have factory rides as long as he wants to race. 

PNWMXer wrote:

There’s a huge difference between “settling for a third” and not even being in contention for a top 5-10 as a premier rider. If the setup...

There’s a huge difference between “settling for a third” and not even being in contention for a top 5-10 as a premier rider. If the setup is so bad that a winning guy is falling that far behind, it’s because they took it there with endless meddling and/or there’s a mental/effort issue with the rider. 

aees wrote:

The point is still, a few clicks off and that can be the difference between winning or a third today. AP almost won last year, same thing...

The point is still, a few clicks off and that can be the difference between winning or a third today. 

AP almost won last year, same thing. Going between 6th or 7th and podium/win at same track. Said they went wrong direction on shock adjustment, couldn't hold on to bike.

3 clicks can make a shock and bike go from balanced to very unbalanced, specially rebound. Same with sag, 1-2mm can make bike not turn or oversteer. That's a quarter to half a turn preload on spring. Window is never as big as some seem to think.

PNWMXer wrote:

Correct. But Chase isn’t going from winning to settling for a third. Other than his couple flashes of brilliance, he’s so far back that if not...

Correct. But Chase isn’t going from winning to settling for a third. Other than his couple flashes of brilliance, he’s so far back that if not for his status as a top guy, we wouldn’t even be talking about him. 

ando wrote:

Kawasaki hasn’t had a proper factory level team in MX2 in years.

CPR wrote:

I’d argue that the dude never should have left Honda, but it’s Friday arvo and I got beer to drink.

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

MX558 wrote:

I doubt Bobby would take much shit from his dad's meddling 

CPR wrote:

I’d argue that the dude never should have left Honda, but it’s Friday arvo and I got beer to drink.

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

MX558 wrote:

I doubt Bobby would take much shit from his dad's meddling 

TropicPilot wrote:

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. They better...

There's only like four bridges you can burn in this industry,  and Chase and his dumbass father have already burned like two-and-a half of them. 

They better hope Bobby Regan has a spot open for them one day. 

MX558 wrote:

I doubt Bobby would take much shit from his dad's meddling 

CPR wrote:

You say Bobby doesn’t tolerate meddling dad’s? Think about that for a moment…..

Spike33 wrote:

If he decides to stop faking injury and races I hope he gets booed next weekend. The sexton camp is a clown show. 

Spike33 wrote:

If he decides to stop faking injury and races I hope he gets booed next weekend. The sexton camp is a clown show. 

Leemur891 wrote:

Let me guess, you also wish boos upon Prado and Deegan?

Let me guess, you also wish boos upon Prado and Deegan?

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

soggy wrote:

I think the only bridge he maybe burnt was ktm.  He’ll have factory rides as long as he wants to race. 

TropicPilot wrote:

Where's he gonna go? Lars said they would be happy to keep him at Honda with the Lawrence's, but he wanted to be top dog, so...

Where's he gonna go? Lars said they would be happy to keep him at Honda with the Lawrence's, but he wanted to be top dog, so he noped out. 

KTM was working fine, an outdoor championship and a bunch of supercross wins, almost an SX championship, but he noped out there, too. That closes the door for Husky, as well. Come on, 40th to first and you can't gel with the bike? Dafuq outta here. 

Now the Kawi sucks, apparently.  

Maybe Triumph or Ducati has their shit together by 2030 or so. Beta? Lol. Suzuki might have a kickstarter still by then.

Kid needs to dump his old man and ride like he knows how. He ain't got a lot of bridges left to burn. TropicPilot out. 

MX558 wrote:

I doubt Bobby would take much shit from his dad's meddling 

CPR wrote:

You say Bobby doesn’t tolerate meddling dad’s? Think about that for a moment…..

Cayden Thompson wrote:

The caveat is, if they are winning he doesn't give a damn lol 

Jkawi wrote:

It's even more funny when a guy with 2 minute slower lap times on an outdoor track try to tell people how important setup is. And...

It's even more funny when a guy with 2 minute slower lap times on an outdoor track try to tell people how important setup is. And that all that is missing from the guys that are 1:59 sec a lap faster is that last bit of setup comfort. How many times have we heard the guys at the top (Eli, Kenny, Jett, Hunter, etc.) just say they get the bike in a window and ride it?

And you are going to use Prado as your example of someone who isn't picky about bike setup? The guy that has missed 2 weekends and can't be changing his bike because he hadn't been riding the thing? The guy that just quit and burned his employer? The employer that has done a million times more for this sport than he himself could ever do in 10 lifetimes? The guy that can't ride respectfully or clean to save his life? My god, this place and common sense are on two completely different planets.

Chase's "bike" issues are 90% mental. Prado's "bike" issues were 90% mental. You could of painted that Kawi orange and Prado would have been 2 seconds faster. I would even say Hunter and Eli's success is 90% mental as well. Some are mentally weak. Some are mentally strong. Sometimes those that were mentally strong are no longer. Sometimes those that weren't, are. strong mentality breeds strong mentality. Weak mentality breeds weak mentality.

ando wrote:

It’s not always as clear cut as you are making out.  Lars was on one podcast or interview lately talking about Jett and Hunter, saying they...

It’s not always as clear cut as you are making out.  Lars was on one podcast or interview lately talking about Jett and Hunter, saying they are different when it comes to tolerance for setup.  Jett can more easily and quickly adapt to something that isn’t quite right whereas Hunter needs things to be much closer to the ideal window.  We’re taking about two guys who arguably in the top three or four riders in the world right now.

Also just “getting over” mental issues is no easier than overcoming inherent physiological constraints.  If it were then mental issues wouldn’t be issues.

Entirely my own opinion but I think Chase is in a situation where, when everything aligns, he can beat the best in the world and so he holds himself to that standard but those occasions are rare enough that he can’t easily replicate them and ends up going around in circles trying to find the magic sauce.

aees wrote:

Exactly, just as Tomac 2015 on that Honda would have beaten Jett at that time. Some here don't feel the different of a click on the track...

Exactly, just as Tomac 2015 on that Honda would have beaten Jett at that time. 

Some here don't feel the different of a click on the track, how can they possibly understand the impact settings and setup have.

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

soggy wrote:

I think the only bridge he maybe burnt was ktm.  He’ll have factory rides as long as he wants to race. 

ando wrote:

Where?  Honda, KTM and, if things are truly the way they seem, Kawasaki are all gone.  If he didn’t like being 2nd dog to the Lawrences...

Where?  Honda, KTM and, if things are truly the way they seem, Kawasaki are all gone.  If he didn’t like being 2nd dog to the Lawrences then he sure as hell won’t like being 2nd dog to the Deegans at Star/Yamaha.  Suzuki, Triumph and Ducati are probably all around similar levels right now as second tier factory teams; I suspect that isn’t what Chase will be looking for.

He turns 27 year this year; his career is far from over but the window is starting to close a little.  

 

ando wrote:

It’s not always as clear cut as you are making out.  Lars was on one podcast or interview lately talking about Jett and Hunter, saying they...

It’s not always as clear cut as you are making out.  Lars was on one podcast or interview lately talking about Jett and Hunter, saying they are different when it comes to tolerance for setup.  Jett can more easily and quickly adapt to something that isn’t quite right whereas Hunter needs things to be much closer to the ideal window.  We’re taking about two guys who arguably in the top three or four riders in the world right now.

Also just “getting over” mental issues is no easier than overcoming inherent physiological constraints.  If it were then mental issues wouldn’t be issues.

Entirely my own opinion but I think Chase is in a situation where, when everything aligns, he can beat the best in the world and so he holds himself to that standard but those occasions are rare enough that he can’t easily replicate them and ends up going around in circles trying to find the magic sauce.

aees wrote:

Exactly, just as Tomac 2015 on that Honda would have beaten Jett at that time. Some here don't feel the different of a click on the track...

Exactly, just as Tomac 2015 on that Honda would have beaten Jett at that time. 

Some here don't feel the different of a click on the track, how can they possibly understand the impact settings and setup have.

Chris_Buehler wrote:

This thread is so long I'm starting to just skim posts so maybe I missed something. Are you using 2015 Tomac as the pinnacle of a...

This thread is so long I'm starting to just skim posts so maybe I missed something. Are you using 2015 Tomac as the pinnacle of a racer jelling with a bike? He lasted 5 motos out of 24. Cool he did win a couple motos by a minute though. Did they give him extra points for winning by so much?

Chris_Buehler wrote:

This thread is so long I'm starting to just skim posts so maybe I missed something. Are you using 2015 Tomac as the pinnacle of a...

This thread is so long I'm starting to just skim posts so maybe I missed something. Are you using 2015 Tomac as the pinnacle of a racer jelling with a bike? He lasted 5 motos out of 24. Cool he did win a couple motos by a minute though. Did they give him extra points for winning by so much?

Gravel wrote:

This is solid wisdom for people working in a small industry. Best single post in 24 pages.

Your reputation is valuable..

soggy wrote:

I think the only bridge he maybe burnt was ktm.  He’ll have factory rides as long as he wants to race. 

PNWMXer wrote:

I don’t think he left the bridge intact at HRC when he packed up and left after his last race without a word to the team...

I don’t think he left the bridge intact at HRC when he packed up and left after his last race without a word to the team that busted their ass for him. No “thanks,” “f you,” nothing-just gone. 

aees wrote:

Exactly, just as Tomac 2015 on that Honda would have beaten Jett at that time. Some here don't feel the different of a click on the track...

Exactly, just as Tomac 2015 on that Honda would have beaten Jett at that time. 

Some here don't feel the different of a click on the track, how can they possibly understand the impact settings and setup have.

Chris_Buehler wrote:

This thread is so long I'm starting to just skim posts so maybe I missed something. Are you using 2015 Tomac as the pinnacle of a...

This thread is so long I'm starting to just skim posts so maybe I missed something. Are you using 2015 Tomac as the pinnacle of a racer jelling with a bike? He lasted 5 motos out of 24. Cool he did win a couple motos by a minute though. Did they give him extra points for winning by so much?

aees wrote:

Yes.