Your dream format for SX

Triple crown every race. 

My dream format is similar to what we have now but add a flaming hoop for the riders to jump through on the finish line every lap, a live alligator pit double right out of a corner, and using the tunnel at every round. I don’t think that is too much to ask for. 

SMX next to start the night show then a 2 moto format for both classes

2x25 min. mains. Best athletes in the world, let's see it! 107% rule, or something like that.

I think i agree, but limit the gates to 18 riders and enforce a 107% rule. And i think we could hold an discussion about the length of the race, maybe 22-23 minutes would be more suitable but that is fine tuning.

At the very least lets go back to 20 riders. Why did we go to 22? It brings no value to the racing.

And add an age rule to the 250 class so that the 450 class gets even more stacked so that the backmarkers aren't that far off the top level guys.

I think they went to 22 riders when they went to 26 points per race, so everyone is the main got points.

I love what you guys are saying! Perfection is right there! I think the 107 is probably more like 104% in Mx, 107 works for f1 with their longer lap times and controlled asphalt surfaces, 104 is probably closer to what we need, maybe 105 it would be easy enough to go back and look at qualifying times and apply various numbers and see what it would have to be to trim 3-7 people out of the mains on average.

It would be  much safer, so much more professional, it would be glorious!

Listening to all the talking heads throw out their ideas on how to enforce it from black flags to 2 laps down you’re out, to penalties, to whatever it’s just madness. The issue isn’t lappers there will ALWAYS be lappers, it’s just the gap in pace, it’s one thing to lap people going 3 seconds a lap off your pace and it’s another to lap people going 8-14 seconds off your pace. When you can’t trust them to do half of the obstacles and as Eli said it’s literally Russian roulette as to how it’s going to go.

And if anyone says, that’s racing getting around lappers is part of it, that is the most inbred take on this entire discussion. My god.

Sharks with fricken laser beams attatched to their heads 

Just because the a couple of rappers seem to be a problem you want to reinvent sx? What is so hard about a blue light on the handle bars? Also a red and yellow? This with the flagged would make things alot easier. They have leader lights on all bikes already so the technology is already there. 

55 second/lap minimum. Shorter lap times amplify track deterioration and lapper issues. 

And random gate picks!  Break out the pit board and clothes pins!

First one 👌 

Second one 🚫 

I personally don't like the triple crowns. But I understand that some do. I just think some are overreacting to the lappers (not rappers, see my original post🤣) Seems the lapper issues come from a certain few guys. 

Get rid of 250 east/west. Make it one group of 250s

I have a totally different concept, more similar to F1 or WSX. Keep in mind, this is my dream format, not that this would be feasible in the current world with Feld, the AMA, or the lack of agreement between teams. 

First of all, the riders with an AMA pro license are assigned series contribution points, based on a combination of factors including total series points from the year before, social media following, and related merchandise sales. Essentially, a ranking of how influential that rider is in driving ticket and ad sales for the event. 

Next, the series is split into 3 classes that run every night, not including SMX Next: Premier X1, Support X2 and Junior X3. 

The Premier X1: The goal for this class is to be the absolute pinnacle of supercross. This class is closed only to member teams. Each team buys into the class and in return they get a percentage of the series proceeds and 2 guaranteed spots on the gate. Under this format, the current teams (KTM, Husky, Kawi, Suzuki, HRC Honda, Firepower Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Beta) would occupy 18 gates with 2 reserved for other teams to buy in or to allocate to wild-cards. The cost for each team depends on the series contribution points for its roster, participation of its riders at each event (including media) and is offset by a revenue sharing plan based on series revenue. The teams would also get paid based on Overall Team Points at the end of the season (like a mfg championship) that is independent of who is on the bike. Very importantly, each seat also includes a vote on series and rules changes. This offsets the cost of the salaries for riders that sell tickets, and incentivizes teams to keep a full roster on the gate for each round. It should turn this class into a net-revenue generator for the team to offset the cost of the motocross series, and incentivize investment in high-caliber riders and equipment. This series is also a no production rule class. Finally, riders in this class get the most TV and media coverage. 

The Support X2: The goal for this class is to provide a midpoint between the Junior and premier at a lower cost, and provide a support feeder for the premier. This class is open to any team. This is intended to do several things: 1) create an interim division between the age-restricted junior class and the premier class, 2) create a competitive arena for privateers or newer teams to get some exposure at a lower cost. This class would be open (250 - 450 cc) but with strict production-based rules on frames, engines and suspension. This class would also serve as a feeder class for injuries in the Premier X1 class and as a development class for riders that point or age out of the junior class but are not yet ready for the premier class. 

Finally, the Junior X3 class would remain similar to the current 250 class like being able to point out of the class and an east-west regional structure, but also with a maximum age of 20. Strict production-based bike rules. 

Something along those lines. 

National 250 class with an age limit. 

2 moto format, length is negotiable. 20 man gates. 

Open B Main / Dash for cash, 6 minutes +1 or something short as an appetizer. 

250 moto 1

450 moto 1

SMX Next / KTM Jr. / Women

250 moto 2

450 moto 2

Get rid of staring grates, holeshot devices, starting maps. One map for the entire race. Let skill dominate the start and spread guys out a little. 

Since we're dreaming, that's what I would go with. 

I don't care what the format is, but I think it should be the same for each race throughout the season. I prefer a qualifying process via racing of some kind; not timed qualifying.

I enjoy the standard format but would love to make a few changes, primary focus is on shining more of a light on the mid pack guys in the national classes. If I got to wave my magic wand..

SMX Next 18 - 22 regional classes
250 Open national class
450 stays as is
Drop 250 LCQ's, bring back semi. Place focus on 9-15 guys for TV exposure.

20 Rider gate. No grates

Two laps down, black flag

Night show format:

450 Heat 01
450 Heat 02

250 Heat 01
250 Heat 02

KTM JR (Highlights package, race completed during daytime programme. Gives more time for track work)

450 Semi 01
450 Semi 02

250 Semi 01
250 Semi 02

450 LCQ

SMX Next Main (Highlights package, race completed during daytime programme. Gives more time for track work)

250 Main
450 Main

12 sx races and 12 outdoor races.  

Day-Afternoon Program where 22 riders (each) qualify for 3 different classes. 

Those 3 classes go to The Night Program as follows…

125s broken into “SX15” …13-15 year olds (11 fastest 13-15 y/o riders) that gate with SX18 (the 11 fastest 16-18 y/o)…& the 2 groups gate like this…young guys left side…older guys right…& that switches every week. There will be a waiver for the 13-15 y/o riders that want to ride a big wheel/105-112. Be advised…I’d incorporate WMX into this as it becomes comparable or manageable from a lap time/safety standpoint. Yes, I said it! W M X…the women are hauling ass these days! 

2 - 12 min plus 1 lap races. Track “detours” where necessary…yes, I said it. McGrath & Hot Sauce decide the track for these kids (detours/track changes if/as necessary). Bike rules are based on LL’s Mod classes and Big Wheel-112 classes. 

250s…the 22 fastest from the day program. 2 - 15 min plus 1 races.

450s…the 22 fastest from the day program. 2 - 20 min plus 1 races. 

Points distribution based on current rules & age group points distribution retains same rules -but- among the 11 riders per class/the 2 classes scored separately.

Triples crowns, but each race pays full points. 

I dig the old school way... heats... semis... lcqs.. mains.. 

All this triple crown and futures (who need to be getting paid for risking their lives to make feld piles of cash) chit is for the birds... real supercross with whoops and triples is more than enough for great racing... it just doesn't need any window dressing... 

Oh AND.... I'm fn sik and tired of these cookie cutter bullchit tracks... standqrdized 3 footer 5 footer 3 footer then table then 3 footer I'm just tired of .... every track is virtually the same... makes for chitty racing and is boring to watch every weekend... it's lazy and cheap to do tracks that way... 

we deserve better at modern day ticket prices and the fact we gotta pay to see this chit... although we can't really even see it anymore thanks to split screen... and nobody with at least 2 working brain cells would ever consider listening to it... 

Dump 250 east west. 

15 rider gate for main.

15 rider gate for consolation race. Gives more riders/teams/sponsors good exposure that would ordinarily not get it and would likely produce some good racing. 

2 moto format. 15 minute motos for both 250s and 450s. 1 10 minute moto consolation race for 250s and 450s. 1 SMX Next moto 10 minutes.

Race order

250 main 1

450 main 1

250 consolation

450 consolation

SMX Next main

250 main 2

450 main 2

Qualify in the day.  Factory unlimited and stock classes. 15 riders each qualify

Night show

250’factory

450 factory

250’stock

450’stock.

250’factory

450 factory

East and west negotiable.