Another reason local racing has low numbers

Saz wrote:

Would it be too much paperwork and logistics to run seperate class levels for national, or big races like LL and then a different class level...

Would it be too much paperwork and logistics to run seperate class levels for national, or big races like LL and then a different class level for local races?

Like National Class A, B, C. Call them something like AA, BB or CC.

Then have a different ranking at local levels that are just A, B, C. This can allow riders to run higher classes at their local levels but still be eligible for a respective class at the national level? 

Say you're a local super star running A class at your home track, but at a national race level you could still race B? 

harescrambled wrote:

People try to do this all the time in off-road. They'll race A locally and enter B at a national event. "Because it's harder, the race...

People try to do this all the time in off-road. They'll race A locally and enter B at a national event. "Because it's harder, the race is longer, there's more competition," their vag is bleeding, etc ... If you're an expert rider, you're an expert rider, whether it's local or nationally. Same goes for every other class. 

What you suggested simply makes it legal to sandbag. 

Dudley wrote:

Not an easy solution. It seems there should be some flexibility with 14 to 16 year olds. They are fast but are their muscles aren’t fully...

Not an easy solution. It seems there should be some flexibility with 14 to 16 year olds. They are fast but are their muscles aren’t fully developed to handle impacts etc Just my two cents. I quit racing long ago but when I did there were way too many classes as-is. Perhaps flexibility in rules would help w/o adding classes. 

SlowOldGuy wrote:

We don't advance 14-16 year olds to A.  This kid was 17.  The appeal committee took a second look at his appeal at my request.  They...

We don't advance 14-16 year olds to A.  This kid was 17.  The appeal committee took a second look at his appeal at my request.  They have decided to let him stay back in B.

SlowOldGuy wrote:

We don't advance 14-16 year olds to A.  This kid was 17.  The appeal committee took a second look at his appeal at my request.  They...

We don't advance 14-16 year olds to A.  This kid was 17.  The appeal committee took a second look at his appeal at my request.  They have decided to let him stay back in B.

ADynes wrote:

I say get rid of A/B/C classes and just rank everyone together, I guess based on race elapsed time. Then, instead of "I won 250B", it's...

I say get rid of A/B/C classes and just rank everyone together, I guess based on race elapsed time. Then, instead of "I won 250B", it's "I placed 41st overall in 250s". That will cure and negate sandbagging efforts. Still have some age classes and displacement classes obviously

Still only have 40 gate max per race (or whatever). Instead of 3 classes (A/B/C) of 40 250cc racers, it's 120 total 250cc racers divided into 3 groups per moto. Same number of races and motos, just no more 'classes'. Do an initial grouping based on practice lap times and/or past race results. Look at moto1 lap times and regroup for moto2 if needed, etc. But at the end of the day, the results are a ranking from 1-120. 

At the local level, where skill levels are wider ranging and entry numbers are lower, efforts should still be made to keep fast and slow, big and small riders separated for safety.

MOTO13 wrote:

Local racing has been dying over 20 years...there are 2 reasons for this..Cost of bikes and Noise. Secondary (or is it thirdendary) is the cost of...

Local racing has been dying over 20 years...there are 2 reasons for this..Cost of bikes and Noise. Secondary (or is it thirdendary) is the cost of insurance and medical bills. When I busted myself up in the late 90's it cost me almost $0 out of pocket. This last broken leg in '19 cost me around $4k. Plus another $4k when I had the plates removed (voluntarily). Local racing by me (SE Wisc) used to be huge. Now 20 years later, it doesn't even really exist. 

MOTO13 wrote:

Local racing has been dying over 20 years...there are 2 reasons for this..Cost of bikes and Noise. Secondary (or is it thirdendary) is the cost of...

Local racing has been dying over 20 years...there are 2 reasons for this..Cost of bikes and Noise. Secondary (or is it thirdendary) is the cost of insurance and medical bills. When I busted myself up in the late 90's it cost me almost $0 out of pocket. This last broken leg in '19 cost me around $4k. Plus another $4k when I had the plates removed (voluntarily). Local racing by me (SE Wisc) used to be huge. Now 20 years later, it doesn't even really exist. 

profeshenal125 wrote:

Up north there’s quite a few places to ride mostly private tracks but public too.  Dyracuse had 380 people 1 day last summer.  The 2- st...

Up north there’s quite a few places to ride mostly private tracks but public too.  Dyracuse had 380 people 1 day last summer.  The 2- st class gets 18-29 riders , 125 class about the same bigger than 250c.  Old bikes r still competitive if you want to race.

MOTO13 wrote:

Local racing has been dying over 20 years...there are 2 reasons for this..Cost of bikes and Noise. Secondary (or is it thirdendary) is the cost of...

Local racing has been dying over 20 years...there are 2 reasons for this..Cost of bikes and Noise. Secondary (or is it thirdendary) is the cost of insurance and medical bills. When I busted myself up in the late 90's it cost me almost $0 out of pocket. This last broken leg in '19 cost me around $4k. Plus another $4k when I had the plates removed (voluntarily). Local racing by me (SE Wisc) used to be huge. Now 20 years later, it doesn't even really exist. 

profeshenal125 wrote:

Up north there’s quite a few places to ride mostly private tracks but public too.  Dyracuse had 380 people 1 day last summer.  The 2- st...

Up north there’s quite a few places to ride mostly private tracks but public too.  Dyracuse had 380 people 1 day last summer.  The 2- st class gets 18-29 riders , 125 class about the same bigger than 250c.  Old bikes r still competitive if you want to race.

MOTO13 wrote:

I was a member/raced at Hixton when I lived in the LaCrosse area. Always loved that track. But, if you were riding alone and got hurt...you're...

I was a member/raced at Hixton when I lived in the LaCrosse area. Always loved that track. But, if you were riding alone and got hurt...you're in big trouble. Nobody could even hear you scream with the valleys and trees. Raced Dyracuse as well. Both fun tracks. I had no fkng clue Dyracuse had a sand track until my first race there. My KX125 was hammered dead by the end of that rainy day.