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How much more does it cost to ride the european mx2 races instead of the emx250?????
Theres no cost difference between doing 1 mx2 round or 1 emx250 round
we are talking about doing the overseas & full season mx2. That obviously costs more compared to EMX250.
Yep! It would cost more for the riders and for the teams. Just ask why Bud Racing Kawasaki team doesn't race the full serie (MX2 world championship) anymore...
Well,then you don't race those overseas races ..ivano van Erp will be doing that this year too......and soon emx250 titel doesnt mean anything nice for family and freinds.......
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I agree with you.
But the majority of the younger riders disagree and pick emx250.
And in the end almost nobody of the emx250 riders end up doing the full emx250 season anyway. Especially once you remove the couple of ''semi-factory'' riders.
The only way to make it worth it to cannibalize the EMX250 class in favour of the MX2 class is to drastically reduce the amount of rounds in the World Championship. We have now 20 rounds, if you compare that with Formula 1 (24 rounds) and Motogp (22 rounds) it makes absolutely no sense that MXGP has 20 rounds. The budgets for such schedules are getting completely out of hand and are commercially not sustainable in how it is currently organized by Infront and FIM.
Make it a logical schedule and don´t do any fly-aways unless you can fund all the extra costs for the riders and teams. The reason why riders stay in EMX250 because it's the only path towards a seat at an MX2 team. You get punished if you only do the European rounds and will get 0 / no attention at all from Infront.
Yes and because Ivano doesn't do the overseas races and signs-up as a wildcard Infront will ignore him, his team and his sponsors in every single way possible so competing in MX2 has no real value for anyone involved unless Ivano manage to be up or close to the front on these occasions.
Winning an EMX250 tittle gives you often a shot in MX2 if you play your cards well, so that tittle is at the moment more or less your only ticket into the world Champions or you have to have significant financial backing.
The people saying mx2 is weak and lacking due to the 23 rule, what about how insanely stacked the mxgp class is. Is that a worthy compromise? Plus all the top talent that goes to ama as well…
i think we miss a lot of riders in mx2 who are not in mxgp that could have been good additions to mx2. Not top 10 talent, but guys faster then riders currently scoring points in mx2.
Absolutely right.
Without the under-23 rule, we could have both classes stacked. As simple as that.
Interesting, that math doesn’t seem to math to me but ok?
Don't you have in mind all the (often good) riders who can't compete in MX2 class anymore (because of age rule) and who can't find a ride in MXGP class neither?
Look at jago geerts from title candidate in the mx2...to a Beta at the back of the field .....
I don't exactly understand your point...
I just think it's a shame when you look at the fact that this year the mx2 class is just become a joke...... if that stupid age rule weren't there , the mx2 class would seriously get beter......and jago geerts is a great example off that.......
I think you have to be careful what you wish for when it comes to the age rule stuff. It’s worth pointing out that none of Coenen, De Wolf, Adamo aged out anyway, they could have stayed in MX2. I used to be dead against the age rule, but I have come around to it now. I look at the 250 class in the US and you have riders that are late 20’s/early 30’s on factory bikes, getting rides year after year despite rarely delivering, blocking the path way for young talent to get on those bikes, I don’t think that is good either. Vialle for example probably never would have got a factory ride without the age rule being in place.
I think there are bigger issues contributing to the lack of rides in MX2 rather than the age rule. The cost to build and run a competitive 250 for example as a privateer is one of them. EMX250 takes some riders away also. I’m not sure that if they removed the age rule there would suddenly be 30 guys in MX2 because there would still be the same amount of teams and rides available
If that age rule had always been in place, many world champions in the 125cc would never have become champion than
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If you introduce prize money and no age limit you will have a full starting gate........
InFront and Davide Luongo MUST absolutely work on that!
There should be No Age Limit in MX2.
It's a World Championship.
The 21 Age limit in EMX - that's fair, and logical. Perhaps, maybe, it could be the 23 years of age, again, after it was reduced from that in 2023.
And, there should be Considerably More Travel Assistance for Overseas / Far Flung Rounds than what exists now.
As for (non existent) Prize Money, or even Start Money, well, I'd like to see those back, and not All the Monster (etc) Money going into The Luongo / Infront pockets.
It's worth noting that there has never been more than 20 Euros traveling to overseas GPs...even in America. The 500 and 250 GPs in the US in the 70s and 80s .... supposedly the heyday of Europe ... NEVER reached 20 and usually ranged from 15 to 18. So I don't know why everyone is saying things are worse.
In the 80s and 90s 80 riders came on saturday and the best 40 were allowed to start on sunday.....now there are races in europa where there are less then 20 at the start......
Yes, you are correct there.
In fact, one year, in the Carlsbad era , there were only 28 entries for the Entire 500GP, if I recall correctly. Including Americans.
Either side of that year, they had far closer to 40 entries ( of course, many being 'locals' ) - it was a year when few 'locals' did it, and, I guess, there was a slight drop in 'travelers'. It has never been cheap to travel, especially with a sport that has far more to it than conventional sports.
When the Series has 'grown' to go off to more Overseas / Worldwide / far Flung events, Luongo / Infront, Should be giving Far More Travel Assistance, instead of, what I see, as them having a 'f**k you" attitude to the Teams and Riders that make the 'show'.
From my opinion, only way to get more people at the gate is to pay more money to those who are not in a factory team. reduce the amount of gp’s and overseas races, Change the age limit to 25. And try something new to make it interesting for the top 5 or so from the emx class to take a shot at the next round in the mx2 for bonus money instead of paying. Or make a rule that each factoryteam over the season has to give one talented guy from the emx the opportunity to race a gp for free.
I know it’s never going to happen again, but it would be so great if they bring back the qualifying race’s for everyone, without paying a lot of money.
I think its clear that infront isnt going to be paying for it.
So it seems to me the answer is in EMX250. There is enough money in the paddock to have 40+ EMX250 for 10+ rounds so the question is how to get teams and riders to prefer doing ~10 rounds of MX2 over EMX250. Without getting rid of EMX250, because imo EMX250 has been great for development.
What Infront imo can do is talk/push the manufacturers to move their support from EMX250 to MX2.
Get the manufacturers to give teams like VHR (Yamaha), Beddini (Ducati), Bud (Kawa), Maddi (Honda), SS( KTM), MRT (Beta), RFME (GasGas) the incentive to do MX2 and stop supporting EMX250 programs.
Then there is also a bunch of riders who are at smaller teams or as privateer, who return for their 2nd,3rd or 4th season. Guys like Skovbjerg, Fredsoe, Owens, Reichl, Askew, Frisk, Petit etc. I don't know what can be done to push them to MX2 when nobody is going to pay for that.
Or maybe introduce a super license system for MX2 like in F1 where you have to score a certain number of points/results in EMX250 to 'prove' you are capable. Like top 10 in points, a moto win, or 5 top 5 motos in 2 seasons would qualify you for the license.
But add that once you qualify for the license you cannot ride in EMX250 anymore the next season.
This makes qualifying for the 'super license' something special, because otherwise you cannot do GPs. And with the riders qualifying for the super license being forced to move up the value of staying in EMX250 also becomes less attractive.
And all of this would render it a localized (European) championship, not a world championship.
Regardless the end result has been tons of top their talent in the mxgp class and in the ama series as a result of the current system which I think is awesome
Next year mxgp is vialle herling gasjer Febvre some Coenens de wolf who else? Absolutely STACKED
In my opinion, that's been Luongo / InFront's plan on the long term all along: to create one premier worldchampionship class with all the top riders in it. Like F1 or MotoGP. MX2 and EMX250 would merge into one class and become "the new" EMX250-class, being a feeder class to MXGP.
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