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craig marsden
Everts, RC, de-reuver, stewart, dungey- none of them could have touched him for raw speed that day.
watch the race- look at the track, that is what a proper sand track looks like!
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on another note if it was the year of the low berms, i cant remember what year it was, the tractability could be an advantage,
Remember, its only bench racing ya'll
southwick is not a proper sand track (by european standards) and zolder is not as deep as the likes of lierop, lommel, valkenswaard etc
everts was unleleivable round there- but i would still put cairoli infront of him (on that day)Cairoli was on another planet that day- you had to be there to beleive it
I think that the 350 can have advantages, possibly enough that winning a supercross is realistic, but I think more often than not it's going to be at a disadvantage. Sure, you could put someone like Stewart on it and he'd win, but that doesn't mean the bike is better. I feel bad for Shorty, I really do.
People seem to be in denial about how Alessi went from Outdoor National threat contender last year (dominating even Reed) to a barely top-10 guy on the 350. The bike is terrible. AC doesn't count, comparing his bike to Alessi's is a joke.
So you have been into the ktm pit too, can you please tell us the difference between the factory ktm's in europe and the factory ktm's in the us too?
Now then, I would like to see R.V. on a 350...
"Bet RC would of!"
>>>"not at lierop,not on that day."<<<
I’m not trying to be a smart ass here but………Uhhhh, didn’t Nagl beat Cairoli that day?!? LOL And didn’t Ramon have the fastest lap of the day as well?!? So now we’re to believe that just because RC or Stewart haven’t ever raced that track that Nagl and Ramon would beat them there too???? Yeah yeah yeah……Cairoli charged from behind; Everts, DeCoster, RC, Stewart and plenty more great champions have had “last TO FIRST” rides.
Tony is an incredible rider and a great champion (for the record I'm a big fan as well), but that just wasn’t the end all race to beat all other incredible races. Awesome? Yes. Legendary? Not hardly.
Apologies for responding to a post that is off topic. By the way, did anyone else notice how slow Cairoli’s bike looked like it was coming out of the corners compared to the 450’s??
Back to the original point of the post, I couldn’t agree with you more on the horsepower thing Rob. This isn’t NHRA people. Regardless of where Short finishes this season (there are just SO many factors besides the bike that go into it), I’d venture to say that between DeCoster and Short they SORT OF know a little bit more about what they’re doing than most of the people on here combined, and they picked the 350 for a reason. Think about it.
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It has more total gear reduction which equals faster acceleration that it would have with 450 overall gearing (think big picture - it's not just chain and sprocket - look in your manual - primary reduction aka crank gear to clutch basket gear - tranny reduction - then gearing reduction - multiply each by the previous to get total torque multiplication)
BUT the 250 can "get away with" more reduction because it revs higher - meaning despite having more reduction it can still maintain a good overall top speed (fast enough for the mx track)
Drag racers have known for years that if they can get their motor to maintain the same power level - but rev higher - they can go faster down the drag strip. The extra revs allow more final gear reduction allowing faster acceleration.
But an interesting note about that - even though their ET has gotten quicker (faster time in 1/4 mile) their top speed will be unchanged.
Peak HP gives you speed (MPH) - but the gear reduction and rev ability of the engine gives you acceleration.
Acceleraton only cares about torque at the wheel at that instant in time.
MX racing (traction aside) is one drag race after another. That's why corner speed is so important - you get a head start on each drag race!
The 350 shares this trait of revving higher than the 450 (although if you listen to the factory 450 kawi and zook they have raised it considerably on those - so maybe not the advantage over the factory bike in that respect)
I think the 350 will be fine except on really long outdoor start straights/starts like millville.
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Better grab a napkin homie, you just got served
i wouldnt say there is any disadvantage riding a 350, nobody can ride a 450 to its full potential anyway
more power doesnt always equal more speed
desalle beat him at unadilla, on a borrowed bike!
i would love to see him try and ride at leirop, but it will never happen- the des nations is at lommel in 2012, it will be interesting to see what excuse the american team make for not turning up again (because they know they'd get smoked- like they do every time its held at a proper sand track ie lierop)
Maybe if you had said Herlings though.... that guy is amazing in sand.
Maybe James could run with him on raw speed if he raced outdoors again but I don't know if he could stay up for the full weekends racing to beat AC at a GP in Leirop.
Add another several inches of deep sand and Stewart's lead might not been as big,but I honestly believe he would have won.
James can haul the mail in the sand,he is from Florida.
I honestly believe a well prepped Stewart would give AC a run for his money at Leirop,Lommel or on the frigging the moon for that matter.
Dungey & RV would also give him trouble as both have done in the past.
And before one of you Euros who have never even been to Southwick or even ridden there,pull out your ass an ignorant comment like
"SouthWick isnt real sand".
Marc even stated himself that he was surprised at how sandy the place was.
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