Suggestions on firing an employee

ddog558
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 4:32pm
I find myself in the position of firing a female employee next week (attitude problems, rude to the customers, etc.). Ive never had to do it before, and while I have no problem pulling the trigger on anyone, I want to make sure I do it the right way so it wont bite me in the ass later.

Suggestions on doing it properly?
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4/17/2008 3:30pm
Lay her off instead. Could save legal issues later...
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4/17/2008 3:38pm
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There is more to it but if you don't have just some of that stuff down you can be gone after. Don't fight unemployment also. Unless you go by the book and you have lawyers on retainer to answer questions you are just asking for it. That is the least you should do. Although I have let people go before without all that, and they just filed for UE. I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. I fought it and won. I also had a heart attack and spent close to six figures, if not more fighting it.
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4/17/2008 4:09pm
Trump her.
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Laws are different all over. Check into it in your area and make sure you go by the book.

It's a PITA but so are most things worth doing.

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ddog558
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4/17/2008 4:34pm
Rooster wrote:
Laws are different all over. Check into it in your area and make sure you go by the book. It's a PITA but so are most...
Laws are different all over. Check into it in your area and make sure you go by the book.

It's a PITA but so are most things worth doing.
Fortunately, she's only a student-employee at the University, so we dont have to have a "Real" reason for firing her.

Just sucks having to do it.
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4/17/2008 4:35pm
Have a fellow employee / asst mgr etc present in the room at time of firing.
Keep your statement to her very short and to the point.
I would assume you already have proper documentation and warnings prepared
although you would not need them for the actual firing but for future isues
with unemployement hearings etc.
Have your personnel department prepare her final paycheck in advance
so she has no reason to return to the business.
Escort her off the premises, this would include gathering up any of her personal
effects, clearing her work area etc. By doing this you avoid any rapport with present
employees ( stirring the pot ) .
I actually believe that firing the employee first thing in the morning and "getting
it over with" is best, instead of the "waiting" all day for the final bell to ring to do it.

Just cover your bases as best possible, sometimes it goes easy, sounds like she might
be a handful... good luck!
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4/17/2008 4:59pm
What Burro said...first thing in the morning. Just be very to the point and quick about - don't make it a debate. You don't need to give her a chance to make a case. I'll add that you want to make sure she doesn't get to touch a computer after you fire her. Don't even let her go back to her desk - like Burro said.

Also, even if she's only a student employee/intern whatever don't be surprised if she takes some legal action. I fired a girl two years ago for stealing and she sued. She stole a cell phone and made dozens of calls on it - some of them to her home phone which is how we found out for sure who it was - and then we physically caught her with the phone, and she still sued. She lost of course, but just be prepared.
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4/17/2008 5:15pm
I have had to get rid of a lot of people over the years, there is NOTHING worse than having to let someone who does not deserve it go, slow times etc.. but getting rid of someone like you describe is easy, in the back of your mind picture her stealing from you, like others said have your ducks in a row, have someone else sit in with you and get to the point, no debating, do not let it get personal.
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4/17/2008 6:21pm
Man, You guys would never make it as an Ironworker forman.

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4/17/2008 6:29pm
How big is your company? If its a large one you should have an HR person to help you. If not check your state laws.
I never want anyone to be able to get UE if I can help it. Its like WC here in Ga. The more claims you have the higher your rate.
We have to have 3 write ups and have someone present ( a female in this case) when you go over those write ups.
Its really not that hard to fire someone who is not doing their job properly.
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Robert wrote:
Man, You guys would never make it as an Ironworker forman.

No shit 99.5 % of you guys are the biggest pricks ever, even women iron workers are assholes!
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4/17/2008 7:05pm
Robert wrote:
Man, You guys would never make it as an Ironworker forman.

firing a girl from the office is a lot more work then letting a construction guy go.

What Burro and FCR said is spot on. MAKE SURE you have someone in the room with you so you dont have any questions raised.

I have Fired plenty of guys but only one girl. Girls will take it personal and that is were the trouble begins.
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4/17/2008 7:18pm
fcr wrote:
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There...
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There is more to it but if you don't have just some of that stuff down you can be gone after. Don't fight unemployment also. Unless you go by the book and you have lawyers on retainer to answer questions you are just asking for it. That is the least you should do. Although I have let people go before without all that, and they just filed for UE. I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. I fought it and won. I also had a heart attack and spent close to six figures, if not more fighting it.
"I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. "

So how did they look? Did they feel real?
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4/17/2008 7:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:38pm
fcr wrote:
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There...
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There is more to it but if you don't have just some of that stuff down you can be gone after. Don't fight unemployment also. Unless you go by the book and you have lawyers on retainer to answer questions you are just asking for it. That is the least you should do. Although I have let people go before without all that, and they just filed for UE. I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. I fought it and won. I also had a heart attack and spent close to six figures, if not more fighting it.
dougie wrote:
"I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after...
"I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. "

So how did they look? Did they feel real?
They musta been amazing to give him a heart attack.


Can we see? Dang...this thread is useless without pictures.
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4/17/2008 7:35pm
"firing a girl from the office is a lot more work then letting a construction guy go"

Bull-fucking-shit......Union cocksuckers can make life a hell of a lot more miserable than some little bitch. you don't need to ask how I know.
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TJ 755 wrote:
"firing a girl from the office is a lot more work then letting a construction guy go" Bull-fucking-shit......Union cocksuckers can make life a hell of a...
"firing a girl from the office is a lot more work then letting a construction guy go"

Bull-fucking-shit......Union cocksuckers can make life a hell of a lot more miserable than some little bitch. you don't need to ask how I know.
How do you know?
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TJ 755 wrote:
"firing a girl from the office is a lot more work then letting a construction guy go" Bull-fucking-shit......Union cocksuckers can make life a hell of a...
"firing a girl from the office is a lot more work then letting a construction guy go"

Bull-fucking-shit......Union cocksuckers can make life a hell of a lot more miserable than some little bitch. you don't need to ask how I know.
Ok I get it now, the key word is UNION.
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4/17/2008 8:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2008 8:06pm
fcr wrote:
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There...
Make sure you document well. You will have had to talked to her with warnings in writing and her signature as to the problems before. There is more to it but if you don't have just some of that stuff down you can be gone after. Don't fight unemployment also. Unless you go by the book and you have lawyers on retainer to answer questions you are just asking for it. That is the least you should do. Although I have let people go before without all that, and they just filed for UE. I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. I fought it and won. I also had a heart attack and spent close to six figures, if not more fighting it.
dougie wrote:
"I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after...
"I have also been sued for sexual harasment when she was the one initiating it and she even volunteered her tits to be looked at after implants. "

So how did they look? Did they feel real?
They looked good, she offered for me to feel but I declined because it all just kinda happened at the end of the day while i was finishing paper work. She waited till every one was gone. She was always flirting and shit and was showing me pics of her sisters that were strippers and went to playboy mansion parties as extras. Its a medical office and you get all kinds working there. Found out she had done it two or three times before and they just settled. She came off as the victim all the time to people. Oh and years ago I worked in construction as a laborer and also ran some work framing and getting rid of guys was much easier than women or office type staff. Iron workers are just a bunch of dick heads so they are easy to fire.
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4/17/2008 10:16pm
If you're in Texas...you can just call her and tell her not to come in and she's fired. End of story.
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Seeing that all states are Employment-at-Will states, you can fire any employee at any time for any reason. That doesn't however exempt you from a wrongful termination suit (discrimination, harassment, etc.).
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Jeez.......it ain't rocket science. If the person has to go, they have to go. It sucks if they don't deserve, but if they do, fuck 'em. Most important thing is to get them out of the building before it sinks in. Best is right after lunch........most people are less likely to become beligerent after their afternoon meal.

1. Have one of their fellow employees come to your office, have a large cardboard box ready, then call the victim in.
2. Can 'em, take their company ID.
3. Don't let them speak, hand them a prepared, addressed envelope with postage and tell them they can write up a grievance and mail it to you (which you promptly throw away, but it makes them think they have an out).
4. You and the other employee escort them to their personal area and make sure they don't take any proprietary info.
5. Walk them to their car and send them on their way. Make sure everyone knows they are no longer allowed on the premises.


If it's construction or something like that..............just hand the fucker his last paycheck and tell him not to let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. It's the office fuckers that make a big crying scene.
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It'd be easier to blow them up.
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ddog558 wrote:
I find myself in the position of firing a female employee next week (attitude problems, rude to the customers, etc.). Ive never had to do it...
I find myself in the position of firing a female employee next week (attitude problems, rude to the customers, etc.). Ive never had to do it before, and while I have no problem pulling the trigger on anyone, I want to make sure I do it the right way so it wont bite me in the ass later.

Suggestions on doing it properly?
Step into my office, CAUSE YOUR FUCKING FIRED!
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4/18/2008 11:11am
Three documented write ups with her signature that explain what she did was wrong and steps to rectify it. If then she still errors, explain why you can no longer employ her.
Be respectful and have a check ready to hand to her.

no layoff, just be ready to explain it to the EDD.
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4/18/2008 2:26pm
A lot of good points made in this thread. But the most important bit of advice, make damn sure you have a third person there as witness.
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4/18/2008 2:44pm
Good thing you chimed in Scott because everything you said hadn't been covered yet.

God you're a fucking tool.
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4/18/2008 6:03pm
did you fire the bitch
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If at all possible, wait until just before Christmas before letting her go.
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4/19/2008 11:15am
Fuck lay her off, so she can collect UE, no need to put people completely out in the cold, people pay into it they should be able to collect it...
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4/19/2008 1:40pm
The UE come out of the employers fund. Fighting it though is not a good idea simply because it will come back and slap you in the head. All the employee has to do is get a sleaze lawyer and you end up settling instead and then paying it anyhow.

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