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Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful than Harris/Biden and since those are our only choices, that's why I'm voting for him",  then that would be a totally fine and normal position that we're all stuck with, but instead he's loved more than Peggy Joseph when Obama won. Trump has tapped into people's legitimate political frustrations and is using it for personal gain, promising that he's our savior from catastrophic doom, and convinced people that they have to defend him as a matter of defending their own life. That's pretty much the same formula for everything terrible throughout history. 

It used to be that the Republican party served as the political medium to implement conservative ideologies, but today the Republican party just serves Donald Trump, a very flawed human that's now injected those flaws into the Republican party and into the general public. That's dangerous and a blasphemy of everything sacred in this country. Just look at who Trump's been pardoning, people selling drugs to the American population, scammers, fraudsters, and just today a Democrat congressman that was caught in a bribery scheme with foreign interests. He's protecting and helping the exact people that we're trying to get out of society and government.

Trump is a terrible person and an even worse American and an even worse Christian. People shouldn't attach their themselves to such awful people, not just because they become equally awful in doing so, but because really we shouldn't attach our identity to anyone since it makes us extremely susceptible to being used as pawns. We have to do better at maintaining emotional independence even when someone dangles something shiny in our face. 

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lumpy790 wrote:
byke wrote:
Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful...

Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful than Harris/Biden and since those are our only choices, that's why I'm voting for him",  then that would be a totally fine and normal position that we're all stuck with, but instead he's loved more than Peggy Joseph when Obama won. Trump has tapped into people's legitimate political frustrations and is using it for personal gain, promising that he's our savior from catastrophic doom, and convinced people that they have to defend him as a matter of defending their own life. That's pretty much the same formula for everything terrible throughout history. 

It used to be that the Republican party served as the political medium to implement conservative ideologies, but today the Republican party just serves Donald Trump, a very flawed human that's now injected those flaws into the Republican party and into the general public. That's dangerous and a blasphemy of everything sacred in this country. Just look at who Trump's been pardoning, people selling drugs to the American population, scammers, fraudsters, and just today a Democrat congressman that was caught in a bribery scheme with foreign interests. He's protecting and helping the exact people that we're trying to get out of society and government.

Trump is a terrible person and an even worse American and an even worse Christian. People shouldn't attach their themselves to such awful people, not just because they become equally awful in doing so, but because really we shouldn't attach our identity to anyone since it makes us extremely susceptible to being used as pawns. We have to do better at maintaining emotional independence even when someone dangles something shiny in our face. 

My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at odds with the party now. I’m afraid the next election will swing heavily towards democrats. And I feel we need a strong conservative voice because we are over 30 trillion dollars in debt and do have legitimate concerns with immigration policies etc. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with the current approach either. The rhetoric needs to change in this country in my opinion on both sides of the aisle. Anyway, good discussion points. 

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lumpy790 wrote:
byke wrote:
Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful...

Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful than Harris/Biden and since those are our only choices, that's why I'm voting for him",  then that would be a totally fine and normal position that we're all stuck with, but instead he's loved more than Peggy Joseph when Obama won. Trump has tapped into people's legitimate political frustrations and is using it for personal gain, promising that he's our savior from catastrophic doom, and convinced people that they have to defend him as a matter of defending their own life. That's pretty much the same formula for everything terrible throughout history. 

It used to be that the Republican party served as the political medium to implement conservative ideologies, but today the Republican party just serves Donald Trump, a very flawed human that's now injected those flaws into the Republican party and into the general public. That's dangerous and a blasphemy of everything sacred in this country. Just look at who Trump's been pardoning, people selling drugs to the American population, scammers, fraudsters, and just today a Democrat congressman that was caught in a bribery scheme with foreign interests. He's protecting and helping the exact people that we're trying to get out of society and government.

Trump is a terrible person and an even worse American and an even worse Christian. People shouldn't attach their themselves to such awful people, not just because they become equally awful in doing so, but because really we shouldn't attach our identity to anyone since it makes us extremely susceptible to being used as pawns. We have to do better at maintaining emotional independence even when someone dangles something shiny in our face. 

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My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at...

My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at odds with the party now. I’m afraid the next election will swing heavily towards democrats. And I feel we need a strong conservative voice because we are over 30 trillion dollars in debt and do have legitimate concerns with immigration policies etc. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with the current approach either. The rhetoric needs to change in this country in my opinion on both sides of the aisle. Anyway, good discussion points. 

Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose. And Dems should be taking this time to shore up their deficiencies to improve appeal to centrists, but they're not, so that just means more of the same old thing if they win. There's no clear path forward right now.

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Thank you Maverick 

Dave and I both thought once again Donald wouldn’t have any chance with grabbing them by the pussy ….. but somehow those religious turned an eye on him and still do. 

How many times did trump attempt to run and failed?

So much for the religion 10 commandments but fear not the Loretta Lynn’s 10 commandments gets more respect. 

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byke wrote:
Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful...

Accurate. The fervency is the major red flag that something is very wrong with us. If people said, "he's awful, but he's just slightly less awful than Harris/Biden and since those are our only choices, that's why I'm voting for him",  then that would be a totally fine and normal position that we're all stuck with, but instead he's loved more than Peggy Joseph when Obama won. Trump has tapped into people's legitimate political frustrations and is using it for personal gain, promising that he's our savior from catastrophic doom, and convinced people that they have to defend him as a matter of defending their own life. That's pretty much the same formula for everything terrible throughout history. 

It used to be that the Republican party served as the political medium to implement conservative ideologies, but today the Republican party just serves Donald Trump, a very flawed human that's now injected those flaws into the Republican party and into the general public. That's dangerous and a blasphemy of everything sacred in this country. Just look at who Trump's been pardoning, people selling drugs to the American population, scammers, fraudsters, and just today a Democrat congressman that was caught in a bribery scheme with foreign interests. He's protecting and helping the exact people that we're trying to get out of society and government.

Trump is a terrible person and an even worse American and an even worse Christian. People shouldn't attach their themselves to such awful people, not just because they become equally awful in doing so, but because really we shouldn't attach our identity to anyone since it makes us extremely susceptible to being used as pawns. We have to do better at maintaining emotional independence even when someone dangles something shiny in our face. 

Dudley wrote:
My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at...

My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at odds with the party now. I’m afraid the next election will swing heavily towards democrats. And I feel we need a strong conservative voice because we are over 30 trillion dollars in debt and do have legitimate concerns with immigration policies etc. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with the current approach either. The rhetoric needs to change in this country in my opinion on both sides of the aisle. Anyway, good discussion points. 

byke wrote:
Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose...

Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose. And Dems should be taking this time to shore up their deficiencies to improve appeal to centrists, but they're not, so that just means more of the same old thing if they win. There's no clear path forward right now.

its the flaw of the two party system. all Dems have to do right now is nothing because the GOP is doing all the work for them.  Its all action/reaction.  If there were a third party it would create more room for ideas, thought and progress.

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Dudley wrote:
My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at...

My fear with the current movement is they are dividing the Republican Party and upsetting the independent votes. We have the young “neo-cons” who are at odds with the party now. I’m afraid the next election will swing heavily towards democrats. And I feel we need a strong conservative voice because we are over 30 trillion dollars in debt and do have legitimate concerns with immigration policies etc. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with the current approach either. The rhetoric needs to change in this country in my opinion on both sides of the aisle. Anyway, good discussion points. 

byke wrote:
Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose...

Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose. And Dems should be taking this time to shore up their deficiencies to improve appeal to centrists, but they're not, so that just means more of the same old thing if they win. There's no clear path forward right now.

soggy wrote:
its the flaw of the two party system. all Dems have to do right now is nothing because the GOP is doing all the work for...

its the flaw of the two party system. all Dems have to do right now is nothing because the GOP is doing all the work for them.  Its all action/reaction.  If there were a third party it would create more room for ideas, thought and progress.

Yes the Democrats should win, but Maga's original complaints about draining the swamp (i.e. getting corporate/foreign money/influence out of government) is totally valid. Ignoring the fact that they ended up voting for an amplified version of what they were trying to get rid of, their original complaint is now a wider spread concern. I don't see Dems getting that message and I definitely don't see them heading in a direction of housecleaning. The guy Trump pardoned today was a Democrat. The pervasiveness of corruption in congress is too much, which a lot of it is by design with lobbying and such. Something needs to change. 

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byke wrote:
Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose...

Fully agree. What are conservatives supposed to do? Their only choices are terrible, either do everything in the most bitter way possible, or bail and lose. And Dems should be taking this time to shore up their deficiencies to improve appeal to centrists, but they're not, so that just means more of the same old thing if they win. There's no clear path forward right now.

soggy wrote:
its the flaw of the two party system. all Dems have to do right now is nothing because the GOP is doing all the work for...

its the flaw of the two party system. all Dems have to do right now is nothing because the GOP is doing all the work for them.  Its all action/reaction.  If there were a third party it would create more room for ideas, thought and progress.

byke wrote:
Yes the Democrats should win, but Maga's original complaints about draining the swamp (i.e. getting corporate/foreign money/influence out of government) is totally valid. Ignoring the fact...

Yes the Democrats should win, but Maga's original complaints about draining the swamp (i.e. getting corporate/foreign money/influence out of government) is totally valid. Ignoring the fact that they ended up voting for an amplified version of what they were trying to get rid of, their original complaint is now a wider spread concern. I don't see Dems getting that message and I definitely don't see them heading in a direction of housecleaning. The guy Trump pardoned today was a Democrat. The pervasiveness of corruption in congress is too much, which a lot of it is by design with lobbying and such. Something needs to change. 

Yes DC is a Swamp. I think everyone agrees. Can one president do anything about it? Hell no. Probably made it worse. And so has probably every president ever. 

Only fix is to get corporate lobbying out of politics. 

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The hypocrisy of politics is the problem…take that same rant, swap “liberal” for “maga” and it would be just as accurate (not 100% accurate, because the original isn’t 100% accurate)….both parties are doing the same thing (trying to get power through villainizing the other party).  

The game of politics today the party that can tell their lies the loudest, the most often, wins.  The Media is a willing participant, doing all they can to amplify the lies they feel will progress their own agenda the most.  


The biggest lie in that rant?  That followers of Trump hate other people…it’s just not true…but if the left can tell that lie the loudest, and the most often, they believe they can gaslight enough Americans into believing it, so that they will vote for them…so they are doubling and tripling down on it…leveraging the media, and biased “influencers” (like that lady) to parrot it…that’s their lie.  and they justifying lying be aside maga lies…again, it’s the hypocrisy that is the problem.  
 

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Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging fruit.

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Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging...

Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging fruit.

Problem is there is not one a$$hole in DC that would go along with that

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ns503 wrote:
Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging...

Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging fruit.

You're not wrong ,now you just have to convince the people making the corporate donations to make a law against doing it.

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"You're not wrong ,now you just have to convince the people "TAKING" the corporate donations to make a law against doing it."

 

A little repair for you...

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As I listened to the video the chick perfectly described Obama and Bidens messaging during their respective administration's so yeah there's that.

 

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ns503 wrote:
Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging...

Seems to me an 'easy' first step to fixing things would be to make corporate political $ donations illegal. And cap the rest. Pretty low hanging fruit.

You're not wrong ,now you just have to convince the people making the corporate donations to make a law against doing it.

Politics and the “money” we know today, are synonymous with each other. Money cannot be taken out of politics. They exist for each other. These two entities cannot be separated. 

The bigger problem is our money system. You know the one that is reliant on debt. Fractional reserve banking etc… if that could get fixed, than you remove the mechanism for central banks and the multi national corporations they control to create money out of nothing. This would heavily restrict and if not that,  make it outright impossible for so much wealth to be concentrated in the hands of so few. 

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