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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:36am
Sourced from Gamasutra.com

Beginning with the next MX vs. ATV title, THQ is hoping to explore an alternative business model for retail games -- launching at a lower price point and then selling more incremental content later. That's where the industry is headed, says company president Brian Farrell.

"What we're thinking about the business is we're turning it on its head a little bit," Farrell told attendees at the BMO Capital Markets conference in New York this week. "It's not, 'how high a price can we get', but 'how many users'," he suggested.

"If you can capture everyone under that economic curve, that's where you can make the most money," Farrell added.

The $59.99 price point is "keeping people out," he continued. A more accessible retail price point means a wider initial install base for a title, thus a larger pool of DLC customers -- and a more viable business model overall, according to Farrell.

"When we launched [MX vs. ATV] at $59.99, we'd do some units, and then when we brought the price down to the mass market-friendly price of $39.99, it would just pop," he said. "So the thinking this time is, let's initially launch at $39.99 -- it's a very robust game, very high quality, so this is not about trying to get a secondary title out."

"It's an AAA title, at that price point, but then with a series of DLC so people can extend their experience," Farrell explained. "We think this is the future of gaming. We think that's the way games are gonna go in the long term."

Although it largely remains to be seen, DLC tie ratios for console titles are expected to be a little bit wider than the 15-25 percent seen on PC -- but according to Farrell, the focus should be on expanded install bases for console titles. "The fact that you've created a hit -- that's the real win," he suggested. If an install base is large enough, the tie ratio becomes less important.
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11/11/2010 6:06pm
How about them putting the game on a quality disk? I've been through 3 of the them and gave up after the last one won't load.
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11/11/2010 6:11pm
I like the focus on DLC and the lower initial price point that they have. When I started hearing $60 for Xbox games, I was like WHAT!
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11/11/2010 6:14pm
How about they go one step further, and make it MX vs MX. I dont want to see stupid quads, buggies or any other crap they think makes there game good. Just realistic motocross and supercross tracks with good, fun gameplay, and no stupid kamikaze computer riders who do nothing but take you out !!!
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Thats uhh verayy niiice!

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11/11/2010 6:26pm
SwapperMX wrote:
How about they go one step further, and make it MX vs MX. I dont want to see stupid quads, buggies or any other crap they...
How about they go one step further, and make it MX vs MX. I dont want to see stupid quads, buggies or any other crap they think makes there game good. Just realistic motocross and supercross tracks with good, fun gameplay, and no stupid kamikaze computer riders who do nothing but take you out !!!
It would be nice to see a 100% motocross game out there but the market is too small so that's why there is ATVs, buggies, golf carts, etc. to attract more gamers. Imagine if you were an ATV aficionado. You'd be wanting your own brand new 100% ATV game.

As far as realistic tracks, if the national/supercross round replicas are hard to get in the game (licensing, etc.), why not do popular local/regional tracks? That'll be an easy sell to get their own track in a video game. Milestone, Oakhill, Gatorback, Broome-Tioga (just throwing some names out there)....or even have a vintage track pack with Carlsbad and others if possible.....just brainstorming some ideas for realism.

But there have been motocross only and ATV only games out there in the past. Supercross Circuit is still the best overall motocross video game while the 1st and 2nd ATV Off Road Fury games were pretty good IMO....and those were released close to 10 years ago?
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11/11/2010 6:35pm
Hang tight. More news in the coming months. You guys will be stoked.
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11/11/2010 6:38pm
I still miss MCM2! Ahhh....the good ol' late nights of racing until the sun came up! Good times man.....good times!
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11/11/2010 6:46pm
can you make the controls easier? i'm probably alone but i'd rather the controls be easier and the racing harder
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11/11/2010 7:28pm
Triton wrote:
Hang tight. More news in the coming months. You guys will be stoked.
Rad...can you guys do a couple things for the next one?
1. Make it so the tough blocks can't get knocked onto the track (so annoying)
2. The whole 'join as spectator' deal is also annoying. I'd rather ride around in the main staging area than watch other people race for 5 minutes
3. Make it so the starting gate drops at different intervals every time.
4. Make it harder to loop out. How often do you see pros looping out? never
5. More ruts (like Supercross Circuit)
6. Make the whoops bigger and farther apart (you could make this cool by putting a straight away in front of the whoops to get speed up)
Just a little constructive criticism.
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Its going to suck when you spend $40 for 6 tracks and have to pay $5 for each new download
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Triton wrote:
Hang tight. More news in the coming months. You guys will be stoked.
Cool. More than just moto industry insiders here. Gaming industry insiders !!

NICE !!
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11/11/2010 8:14pm
Triton wrote:
Hang tight. More news in the coming months. You guys will be stoked.
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11/11/2010 8:17pm
Get rid of tough blocks!

Track creator... Or more downloadable tracks. I'd buy every one of them.
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i always wanted a little more realistic dirt and suspension functionality. im not sure how hard or easy that would be.... also i like the idea of having UP TO 20 riders in SX and UP TO 40 in MX. i thought it wold be a cool idea if like you were given 10 or 20 tear offs and dirt would fly up and stick on the screen and you could choose when you wanted to use a tear off with one of the buttons. what do you think?
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Its going to suck when you spend $40 for 6 tracks and have to pay $5 for each new download
yep.

theyre not doing this price point change to save us any money. only an idiot wouldnt be able to see that this is only going to make gaming more expensive.
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jemcee wrote:
can you make the controls easier? i'm probably alone but i'd rather the controls be easier and the racing harder
controls are pretty legit i thought?
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11/11/2010 8:30pm
jemcee wrote:
can you make the controls easier? i'm probably alone but i'd rather the controls be easier and the racing harder
I just got used to them!
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11/11/2010 8:32pm
Its going to suck when you spend $40 for 6 tracks and have to pay $5 for each new download
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yep. theyre not doing this price point change to save us any money. only an idiot wouldnt be able to see that this is only going...
yep.

theyre not doing this price point change to save us any money. only an idiot wouldnt be able to see that this is only going to make gaming more expensive.
the amount of sx/mx tracks on the last game was a joke. At $60 we barely got any tracks, I cant imagine how few tracks we will get at $40.
Im bitching but ill still buy it
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jemcee wrote:
can you make the controls easier? i'm probably alone but i'd rather the controls be easier and the racing harder
bama205 wrote:
controls are pretty legit i thought?
haha yeah they probably are but i'm a quadraplegic so i've got limited use of my hands so not only can i not actually ride but i can't even play the game haha so yeah it sucks for me but its prob good for everyone else
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Its going to suck when you spend $40 for 6 tracks and have to pay $5 for each new download
Welcome to the world of console gaming. THQ has been saying some really dumb shit lately and this just adds to it. Fuck DLC and fuck consoles. What would of been free back in the day when there were quality developers that focused on PC first and consoles second now costs $$$ and the contards eat it up. Push out a half-assed game that's still in beta and then just add DLC for more $$$. Add to it that this DLC takes a weekend to make and you make even more money.
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11/11/2010 9:11pm
jemcee wrote:
can you make the controls easier? i'm probably alone but i'd rather the controls be easier and the racing harder
bama205 wrote:
controls are pretty legit i thought?
jemcee wrote:
haha yeah they probably are but i'm a quadraplegic so i've got limited use of my hands so not only can i not actually ride but...
haha yeah they probably are but i'm a quadraplegic so i've got limited use of my hands so not only can i not actually ride but i can't even play the game haha so yeah it sucks for me but its prob good for everyone else
Can you send me a pm with your email?
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11/11/2010 10:54pm
As an avid gamer, and more so in the MX arena I can honestly tell you the price tag isn't keeping people away.

Reflex required learning. If you weren't into the franchise you walked away. Those that stayed were rewarded greatly. The controls really do kick ass. MAYbe a more playable clutch, though I dont know how much play you can get out of a microswitch.

Updates - Reflex guys are you listening? Im sure you have work to do, but take care of your clients. As cool as your game is, its a hunk of shit in the game world. Sorry it just is. Slow to develop, limited on game trends. DLC isnt compatible with online play. No spectating for fan tourneys. No support by the publisher. You trained us to learn your controls, we gave in, now reward us by giving us more tracks and content. And often, or give us updates.

I may not know shit from shinola, I know a buddy of mine is a multi millionaire selling warlocks, fairys and demons to people all over the world. The one thing I can say about his success - he listens to the people that pay his monthy fee to play on his servers. Give it a shot. we might just pay for consistent online play considering thats what we want. The publisher forum is just kids ranting. No communication. I as a customer have been burned three times now. Do I really go to bat a fourth time only to be frustrated?

Its ok to slap BNG and add a couple features. Look at Madden, Tiger Woods, FIFA even GTA. They all use the same engine, game play and add BNG.

I will make it simple - new content. Publish it quarterly.
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bama205 wrote:
controls are pretty legit i thought?
jemcee wrote:
haha yeah they probably are but i'm a quadraplegic so i've got limited use of my hands so not only can i not actually ride but...
haha yeah they probably are but i'm a quadraplegic so i've got limited use of my hands so not only can i not actually ride but i can't even play the game haha so yeah it sucks for me but its prob good for everyone else
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11/12/2010 12:28am Edited Date/Time 11/12/2010 1:12am
Drfletcher wrote:
How about them putting the game on a quality disk? I've been through 3 of the them and gave up after the last one won't load.
That sounds like you've maybe some sort of problem with your console, do own a 360? I ask this because aside from the other rrod problems, a lesser known issue with the 360 is that some units physically damage discs. Iv'e experienced this myself first hand. Inspect the disc under a light to check for round, circular type scratches. If you find any sort of damage then your best bet (if you want to keep on gaming right away) is to turn the 360 up vertically. If the discs aren't physically damaged then it's probably some sort of internal hardware problem. Either way your console probably can't make sense of the data.


I look foward to the new game although it's worth pointing out that MX Reflex is coming out on PC this fall and is already advertised on Steam. If the modding community can embrace it the way they did with Unleashed, then this could prove to be the ultimate MX game with an endless supply of user created tracks.

As for releasing content over time, I'm extremely sceptical.

Rarely does this work out cheaper and is more often than not an underhand way of screwing more money out of people. This will always be a niche title, it isn't ever going to be COD etc. The people that are going to buy it will buy it. Those with only a passing interest in offroad racing aren't any more likely to fork out added $$ for extra content unless the game is something truely exceptional, which is unlikely.
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11/12/2010 4:52am
I'm not too excited about the next MX vs. ATV game. Rainbow has been making these for years and never had replica tracks. I like Reflex but it got old. If they could get real bikes and real tracks with a championship series format, that would be the ultimate game. I love the physics for reflex. An exact Unadilla replica would be unbelievable!

I am more excited about the new mx game coming out from Black Bean. It is called FIM World Motocross Championship and they will supposedly have a National Championship with a MX of Nations. I know the Moto GP game they did has all real bike manufacturers and I would bet this will too. Can't wait to ride some of the GP tracks. At least Glen Helen will probably be on it for US National tracks.
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11/12/2010 5:16am
Get a red bud replica track and a real championship format. More riders on the line too.
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11/12/2010 5:39am
MX Simulator. . . .Download it. . . .You'll never go back to a console again, GUARANTEED!
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jeffro503 wrote:
I still miss MCM2! Ahhh....the good ol' late nights of racing until the sun came up! Good times man.....good times!
lol I remember those days...especially MCM1....a lot of beer was consumed too...
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11/12/2010 5:50am
Replaca tracks would be sweet but not milestone, seriously that track has nothing i want to ride in real life much less in a video game. Maybe im just a spoiled texas boy. Red Bud replica would be awsome though as would a glen helen or unadilla.

And i have a hard enough time staying on the track with perfect vision, the dirty google/tear off idea sounds annoying to me.

And DLC sucks. I moved to the country in April and i can't get the internets fast enough to support xbox live. Its like living off the grid. . . But i do have my own real practice track now!!
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Cory976 wrote:
MX Simulator. . . .Download it. . . .You'll never go back to a console again, GUARANTEED!
MX Sim just doesn't do it for me. I can't stand it to be honest. I can play it fairly well when it's not on Arcade mode but I don't have time to take a month to fully master the controls for a PC game. It's a great game and it's awesome that they have a great community that's constantly pumping out new tracks, skins, etc. though. It's just not for me.

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