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A person I consider a friend on this forum (whom I won’t name) text me and said this about the forum,
“If a bunch of dudes that all share a common interest like dirt bikes can’t get along with different views, how the F is our country going to”?……..
It’s pretty damn sad how divided this forum is.
Nobody deserves what happened to Charlie Kirk.
It is probably a budget issue but i wish there was a dedicated moderator who was present every day in non moto and moto, who understands the culture and the back n forth of members. Somebody who sees who the real assholes are.
It feels like Michael doesn't come to non moto much and when he does he is reactionary, doing exactly what GuyB did, but to a MUCH lessor degree, banning people in a reactionary way.
Titan1 should have NOT been banned. He disagrees in an assertive but respectful manner. That is evidence that ML doesnt have the pulse of NM , and that a moderator who did would not have banned Titan.
Oh well...get a life Sandberm, I know.
Edit to say, this place is a million times better with ML at the helm, but i do want to point out he is drifting towards GuyB types of banning.
So, with “trans anti-fascist” engraving found on the bullets, you have to wonder if the gun and bullets were staged?
Press conference getting set for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4KZPwIWJA
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As usual, very well said.
The one thing you didn’t say though, was that making guns illegal won’t eliminate gun deaths.
What happened in CO and UT is wrong on all fronts. I'd wish change could come from moments like this, but it unfortunately seems like the norm for people in power is to point fingers and piss each other off instead of making meaningful progress on the issue.
@Alex814 , I think it's pretty fair to say both sides can display zero class in moments like this, to think otherwise is laughable.
Super disappointing to be honest. That is a terrible take by him.
For sure that is true, but zero class in times like this is completely different from Nazi rhetoric repeated over a long period of time. And yes, the term Nazi is repeatedly thrown around by MSM, so I emphasize that intentionally. That kind of term encourages some people on the fringes to believe what they are doing is justified.
Wow, that was brief.
Showed a video of the shooter jumping off the roof and running away. Governor said beware of bots presenting miss-info...they will seek death penalty...
Ok.
They have nothing..... unbelievable. Hope they get some DNA and can do the family tree thing like Idaho case.
I couldn't tell if he was carrying the rifle when he jumped off the roof but had to have been to ditch it in the woods?
I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that they know a lot but do not want to tip off the suspect.
I don't know man.
I haven’t been on here as much having been putting in 15 hr days at work this week. I scrolled through here last night and, was disappointed.
The unfortunate part is, politics from my standpoint are more about picking a side and, division. You’re the enemy if my viewpoints don’t align with yours. I’m not saying every person on either side but, I bet if politics were left out of the conversation and, most of us crossed paths on a track or trail, would get along. We’d help one another if needed. Be decent to one another.
Look at the tone of this thread. It’s a perfect example. A person was murdered live. Though gore doesn’t bother me, the cheering for this man’s death, the division of this forum and, our country does.
As far as moderators, meh….. It’s not like our suggestions or, comments ever get noticed. I quit caring.
Can't believe this is all the info they have but also hard to believe they wouldn't name the suspect if they knew who it was. Found it odd they kept mentioning the shoes and shirt. They really think that's going to ID the guy? The whole getup looked very much to me like trying too hard to fit in with the crowd. No serial number on the gun? They usually have those traced instantly. Just disappears into the neighborhood and no idea how or where he came out? The trail just stops there? Kash just stands there? No questions? All of it is so odd.
Thanks for posting those pics of your friends fishing. Good stuff!
Eh...sux catching up at work after taking time off, 15 hr days seems a bit abusive.
I just really think Titan and even SEEMEFIRST should not have been banned.
I’m just here for the good stuff buddy.
No. I don’t think they should’ve been clipped either.
Free big lenny
Get ready to loose more of our rights. Everything that happens these days is so fishy.
There should really be some sort of laws or measures to keep these left wing psychos from getting guns so easily.
Pit Row
Dude it's all bad. We are watching our country become more and more evil and we are dehumanizing each other. The weekly events are much deeper than a gun or a knife.
One of the things, and it got played out here, is that a certain segment of the population has stated that it is acceptable to use violence against those they disagree with.
https://ocpathink.org/post/independent-journalism/kirks-death-comes-as-more-college-students-support-violence-over-speech
"...The survey of 68,510 college students at 257 universities nationwide found that 34 percent now say using violence to stop someone from speaking on campus is acceptable, at least in rare cases. That is an increase of 10 percentage points over the last four years..."
Im hoping that this isn't true. These kids dont understand how violent, Violence can be.
If you accept that words are violence, then retaliating with actual violence becomes justified. That's where we're at. Need to get back to sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me so this kind of actual violence is never considered justified.
Probably not a secret based on my presence on here that I enjoy a good debate, being challenged, arguing, learning and modifying views based on all of that.... so this one has bothered me much more than it should. Just makes me sad.
Precisely why Charlie went to college campuses. We won't have a civil society with these types of statistics and it has to change.
I think with all that's going on im just alittle disturbed tbh. There has and always been evil in this world. There are always going to be bad apples. Its just the way it is. What's concerning me is that the bad apples seem to have formed some sort of violent, angry, victimized sub cultures through various social media platforms. We are glued to our phones and the algorithms take over and it just brainwashed people. Either to the left or the right. In many cases it has radicalized people, more so the youth. I would bet that if there was no internet and you put many people in the same room and asked how we would like our country ran and operated without outside influence we have much more in common than not. The internet cannot be put back in the box and im nervous that eventually violence will be met with violence. That's unfortunate.
Speaking as a detective irl, for those wondering about information, or lack thereof so far, not everything that is known is going to be made public immediately for a variety of reasons. Especially on a scale like this. There are people working 24/7 right now to find leads and more information. Just have to be patient unfortunately. Like many, I can’t wait for this piece of shit to be brought to justice and hopefully he gets worst…
From the FBI reports showing the shooter and his paths to the woods nearby, it’s looking apparent that he probably acted alone. Of course there’s always a thought of “who put him up to it?”
I agree. They probably have a name. Just working on getting their ducks in a row and a case built before an arrest. The only problem that I foresee is potentially locating the guy.
This reminds me of the Idaho case. People were upset about the slow pace but they had to get their data first.
As of this morning they have a suspect in custody.
Those are really good points. In fact, the poll could have replaced “to stop someone from speaking” with just about anything. Violence, notably physical violence, is baked into our DNA, restricted by compassion, fear of repercussion, and environment. The red mist of anger and hate can overwhelm these suppressions, and when coupled with tools of mass destruction, often lead to very unfortunate outcomes.
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