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MXGP is considered the highest level of dirt bike racing with factory prototypes, its the dirt bike equivalent of MotoGP. It takes place around the world, has riders from different countries. Its a world championship.
MX/SX is definitely just a national series in my eyes, locked into a production rule, riders largely from the US, all races in the U.S A. I'd like to see MXGP have a round in America and it seems awfully strange to me that they don't anymore.
The MXGP guys are brutal in their own right the racing is extremely intense, too me more intense than AMA racing typically. I know people mention Prado cross jumps a lot but anyone whos watched MXGP sees they all do that regularly cause the tracks are different.
I have a random hot take about Supercross and I figured a moto historian will correct me. I feel the only reason supercross is more prevalent here in the US is because of the amount of NFL and baseball stadiums. Americans like football, we have stadium everywhere having a motocycle race in a football stadium just makes it easier and more profitable for people to attend.
There's no way our guys are that much faster, right? AP raced backwards for all 6 motos at MXDN and has spanked Prado this summer.
The FIM stamp makes it official, but it’s the calendar that makes it a world title. MXGP goes to Europe, Asia, South America — it’s global either way. Slap FIM on a series that never leaves one country and it’s still just domestic.
Let me ask you do you think the WSX is a legitimate World Championship?
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We put a man on the moon, you’re lucky we don’t call our championships the “Universe Supercross Championship”
Nope — WSX proves the point. The FIM label alone isn’t enough. If the series doesn’t have the depth or the calendar to back it up, nobody sees it as a real world championship. MXGP has both: it’s global and it’s stacked. WSX has the label, but not the legitimacy.
MXGP Schedule:
1. S. America
2. Europe
3. Europe
4. Europe
5. Europe
6. Europe
7. Europe
8. Europe
9. Europe
10. Europe
11. Europe
12. Europe
13. Europe
14. Europe
15. Europe
16. Europe
17. Europe
18. Europe
19. Asia
20. Australia
Quite the world tour . . .
Put him on a stock Suzuki!! 😤
Dude, do you think Europe is a country? Ha ha
This is good progress, you're the first guy I've seen admit the FIM label is just window dressing.
FWIW, I follow and quite enjoy MXGP and am not negative towards it or its riders. I'm just of the opinion our sport doesn't have a true world championship. The closest thing we have is a team race.
No. I also don't think S. America, Asia or Australia are countries. Those are called continents.
That discussion always reminds me of that clip 😂
We actually know Kawi team mechanics spent weeks at clubmx trying to making him happy. They also brought over the lead Japanese test rider to club mx. we aren’t ever going to know the specifics likely cause the factory teams don’t let that info out. But we know for sure that Kawi spent considerable resources trying to make Prado happy.
Your definitely right. No normal person uses an em dash. You cant even get this on the vital text box without a pain in the ass keyboard shortcut. Using word two dashes gives you one --. But AI usually spits them out — — —
What the hell is being argued here 😆
It creates another spot in the LCQ. For whatever reason, they don't "Add" another rider to the guaranteed field, they just add another rider qualifying out of the LCQ.
The problem for Vaille was how he won them, more so the second. He wasn't the top one or two guys in the class speed wise.... was probably closer to 5-6 and they eye test showed that. If we see it, teams see it. He came very close to winning it how ferry did in 97', and while the cheque cashed, it got him to the unemployment line. Remember when the net saved him from serious injury in a real set of whoops?
They don't move up another rider because they didn't earn that guaranteed spot. That's why they pick more from the LCQs.
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That MXGP is a European championship with strictly European riders pulled from a European feeder system with a European promoter and European sanctioning body, that takes a couple of field trips a year to subsidize its European operations.
Back to Prado now . . .
The point is, the best in the world aren't flocking to MXGP to win that championship, its the other way around. How many world champs have come to the US after winning GP's to try and win our little domestic SX/MX championships?
Ok, now let's get back to Prado grenading his reputation because it didn't work out for him at Kawi.
8 I think, if we count Febvre who did a few races and didn't make a title charge. 8 people in 68 years that won and then came here doesn't feel like a lot. I guess it depends how you define 'flocking'. Both series are pinnacles in different ways. One bad Kawi deal doesn’t erase four world titles, that was my initial point and I truly think there is more to it than he is just a quitter.
Yea because they don’t come over unless they have the skills to be competitive on a SX track. That’s the only thing that keeps those guys from coming over.
It's so glaringly obvious prado didn't have the speed in our outdoor nationals. He can't hide from the quitting he did in many races. Once he started getting passed because of his lack of that speed, he would back way down deliberately. He did it on countless tracks throughout the season.
He may be able to get on a familiar bike and find some success back in the MXGP's?? He will never have success over here, no matter what brand bike he is on. It just won't happen. If he stayed stateside, he will never win, never podium.
He better get back to Europe and score a decent team and try and ressurrect his career. The "risk" he took has possibly been worse than what we all know. He'll have to prove otherwise to so many doubters now.
Or what? Go home to his Spanish villa, or his other other villas and cry into his millions in the bank at early 20s?
You’re right , he “better” do something or he’s totally screwed.
Why are you so sensitive about this? Do I have to have the same opinion as you? After all, this is all opinion based and could never be proved either way.
No one is bullying prado you twat. We are commenting our opinions on what we see and hear. Kinda the point of a message board. Man the world is so pussyfied now day.
Just a quick FYI... Europe is about 3.9 million square miles and the US is about 3.8 million square miles. All of Europe is pretty much the same size as the good ol' US of A. FIM "World Championship" is self proclaimed... Anyone can call their series whatever they want, it doesn't exactly make it so.
The whole World Championship label is just an attempt by the promoters to one up the "other" series. For me, it's the MXGP champion and the AMA champion.
Respect both. That's the best perspective I can have.
I just learned that Brad Lackey, Danny LaPorte, Trampas Parker, Donny Schmit and Bobby Moore are European champions.
It‘s time to start a Deegan thread.
Europe might be similar in size to the U.S., but crossing dozens of borders with different languages, time zones, climates, and cultures is a very different challenge than running 12 U.S. nationals. MXGP is international before it even leaves the continent, then it stretches to South America, Asia, and Australia. AMA crowns the U.S. champ, MXGP crowns the world champ. Both are elite — and Prado already has 4 of those world titles in his version of the pinnacle.
Need the classic deegan derail.
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