Fastest lites rider EVER

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Motodork 10/14/2010 5:33pm
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Prince1 wrote:
That was REED in 2004 not RC boy, dont slander RC with ur lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Motodork wrote:
RC was in the 450 class and wasnt jumping the quad. I think it was the race that bubba ended up crashing in and breaking his...
RC was in the 450 class and wasnt jumping the quad. I think it was the race that bubba ended up crashing in and breaking his shoulder
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It was Vegas 2003 and yes, James was doing a quad on a 125 that RC and Reed would not do on their 250. I wish...
It was Vegas 2003 and yes, James was doing a quad on a 125 that RC and Reed would not do on their 250. I wish someone had video of it. That jump was crazy!
I am glad someone else remembers it, bubba was running a second a lap faster than RC was, and I am a huge RC fan and not so much of a bubba fan so no disrespect to RC but that was very impressive.
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SMITH201 10/14/2010 5:46pm
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when they called it 125- James without question

since its been called Lites/250- RV without question.
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SMITH201 wrote:
when they called it 125- James without question

since its been called Lites/250- RV without question.
It said "ever." Not in this era, or that era. Ever.

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FIREfish148 10/14/2010 5:58pm
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I remember bubbas rookie, or second year he was quading this jump after a triple at this supercross track.... Shit was insane to watch on t.v. I think it was Miniapolis, or st. lous or something I remember it was right next to the grandstands.
Anyone know which one im talkng about? R.C. was tripling it and most dudes were going 2-2 over it.
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SMITH201 10/14/2010 6:06pm
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SMITH201 wrote:
when they called it 125- James without question

since its been called Lites/250- RV without question.
Grieby54 wrote:
It said "ever." Not in this era, or that era. Ever.
Just making sure he isnt just referring the period of time since its been call "Lites", but if referring to EVER in both eras combined- James without question.
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Robbie Reynard - Last guy to flat out pass Carmichael and win!
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259 could work a "lites" bike better than anyone--be it a 250f or a 125. I'm not talking about the Bubba scrub, either. His corner speed was the factor.

This mofo would go 40th - 1st and still win by 30 seconds.

The rumors of Stewie being faster than RC (450) on his 125 were overblown, though. He did do it on very few occasions. I think it was Budds when he wen't 40th - 1st was one of the examples of him being faster than the 250s and 450s. Whether or not he had faster lap times than a 450, doesn't matter. That isn't why he is the best "lites" rider.

James redefined speed on a tiddler. You will never find another in the course of history with the win record, speed, determination, and cockyness. There were only a handful of examples that anyone could even be close to him. 2 of them are ron ron. He just dominated like no other on the small bikes.
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259 could work a "lites" bike better than anyone--be it a 250f or a 125. I'm not talking about the Bubba scrub, either. His corner speed...
259 could work a "lites" bike better than anyone--be it a 250f or a 125. I'm not talking about the Bubba scrub, either. His corner speed was the factor.

This mofo would go 40th - 1st and still win by 30 seconds.

The rumors of Stewie being faster than RC (450) on his 125 were overblown, though. He did do it on very few occasions. I think it was Budds when he wen't 40th - 1st was one of the examples of him being faster than the 250s and 450s. Whether or not he had faster lap times than a 450, doesn't matter. That isn't why he is the best "lites" rider.

James redefined speed on a tiddler. You will never find another in the course of history with the win record, speed, determination, and cockyness. There were only a handful of examples that anyone could even be close to him. 2 of them are ron ron. He just dominated like no other on the small bikes.
Agreed.
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lol good point newmann.... but regarding 125/250f im going with JBS...dont like Stewart at all, BUT respect what he did on that 125. If he woulda...
lol good point newmann....

but regarding 125/250f im going with JBS...dont like Stewart at all, BUT respect what he did on that 125. If he woulda raced Alessi, RV, AC222, CP, and the more recent guys I gotta be honest: I think he woulda won. He was THAT fast.
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and he annialated the field of 250F's on a 125! JBS by far.... RV2 a close 2nd though...
by far. a close second. lol. what?
aFACEdismembered 10/14/2010 8:08pm
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Wasn't it Stewart himself who rode a 250f in his last small bore race and said something like "after riding this bike I have no idea how I won on a 125 at all."" He destroyed them at Glen Helen. Him on a 250f for a full season makes me shudder in fear. On the ground in the first corner to first in about 15 minutes is no joke on a 125, I can't imagine it on a 250f.
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bama205 10/14/2010 8:14pm
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SMITH201 wrote:
when they called it 125- James without question

since its been called Lites/250- RV without question.
Grieby54 wrote:
It said "ever." Not in this era, or that era. Ever.
bleh. it said lites. lites. lites. lites. that referes technically to an era. but JBS so rediculolusly fast. if anyone has forgotten just hop on youtube.
TripleFive 10/14/2010 8:31pm
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The reason why it's JBS is because he had speed you could 'see'. By that I mean you can watch him rail a corner and scrub a jump and visually see just how tapped that guy was.
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Rizzo 10/14/2010 8:33pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o0aHp6HezQ

This is Stewart at that race. Forward to 2:30 mark if you lack patience. How many riders have pulled up and let someone by on purpose like that???? 259 without question.
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wired4speed 10/14/2010 8:41pm
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Stewart on a 125
RC on a 450
........on a two stroke 250
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wired4speed wrote:
Stewart on a 125
RC on a 450
........on a two stroke 250
lol, we aren't talking about 250 two stroke or a 450f...

My list would change big time for those classes. Try to think in terms of 250f and 125.
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tsl8on 10/14/2010 8:49pm
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I don't think any of you remember Glen Helen , James rode the 250f and murdered everybody. It was not even fair. As far as RV and the MXDN the O show came threw the pack and past 500's if I remember this right.

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TripleDigit 10/15/2010 6:31am
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Barnett. If the motos were 40 +2 he might still be winning.
Good call,Bomber was awesome,longer
Motos too,townley went toe to toe against RV
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If you don't answer James Stewart Jr. to this question then you are lying to yourself.

And oh yeah, please stop using the term "Lites.". That shit is so disrespectful.


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lucero10x 10/15/2010 8:23am
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two five nine blew my mind. Dude reinvented how a MX bike could be ridden and set a new standard.
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If you don't answer James Stewart Jr. to this question then you are lying to yourself. And oh yeah, please stop using the term "Lites.". That...
If you don't answer James Stewart Jr. to this question then you are lying to yourself.

And oh yeah, please stop using the term "Lites.". That shit is so disrespectful.


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Or they didn't see him in person at a National. Watching him at Broome was nuts. He was pinned with the front wheel up coming down the big downhill that had about 3' braking bumps all the way down. I don't even know how he was making the corner at the bottom. Earlier I was doubling the bumps it was so bad. Then, on the back big table he was scrubbing so hard he would almost take out the flagger on the side of the jump every lap. Not to mention he was landing 20' past the landing in this tiny little hole he found.
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newmann wrote:
And I never could figure how "lites" could refer to a bike that was 30 pounds over the 194 lb. minimum weight rule for the class...
And I never could figure how "lites" could refer to a bike that was 30 pounds over the 194 lb. minimum weight rule for the class it was competing in. Puzzling.....stupid.....Whitelockish?
Whitelockish... hahahah SO TRUE
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SMITH201 wrote:
when they called it 125- James without question

since its been called Lites/250- RV without question.
I like this answer !
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IMO the fastest 125cc rider ever was Bubba.. The fastest 250f rider to date was RV. When somebody else wins three motos at the Des Nations (RV won 2 in 07 and 1 in 08) on a 250f vs the best 450f riders in the world I'll give them the title.
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SMITH201 10/15/2010 8:47am
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mccread wrote:
Stewart, Tortelli, RC, RV, Roczen, Cairoli, Musquin... Can't really compare... but those 6 in a race would be awesome Herlings in holland would beat them all...
Stewart, Tortelli, RC, RV, Roczen, Cairoli, Musquin...

Can't really compare... but those 6 in a race would be awesome

Herlings in holland would beat them all tho lol
Take Stewart out of that group and it would be an awesome race for 2nd.
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DanDunes818 10/15/2010 8:53am
10/15/2010 8:53am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2010 8:54am
The only problem about threads like these and comparisons is technology. You had guys like Barnett , O-show, Lechien, and Ward that were blistering fast on the technology and know how that they had back then but when you look at video and compare speed they were the speed of modern B or fast C riders. Technology and technique has advanced so much since their time. What I'm getting at is if the riders I mentioned had the bikes of today and the know how of today's techniques (scrubbing, blitzing whoops etc..) there's no telling how fast they'd be.



That being said I don't think you can have a thread about the fastest lites/125 riders without mentioning Barnett and Ward.
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SMITH201 10/15/2010 8:56am
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
Wasn't it Stewart himself who rode a 250f in his last small bore race and said something like "after riding this bike I have no idea...
Wasn't it Stewart himself who rode a 250f in his last small bore race and said something like "after riding this bike I have no idea how I won on a 125 at all."" He destroyed them at Glen Helen. Him on a 250f for a full season makes me shudder in fear. On the ground in the first corner to first in about 15 minutes is no joke on a 125, I can't imagine it on a 250f.
Not only did he say that after he smoked the field at Glen Helen, but he also mention that he was able to do it with such little effort. We probably would have seen the first 125/250 perfect season that year. That Could have been a perfect season in both classes that year!
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Bubba DESTROYED people. I don't remember anyone that beat Bubba straight up in the 125 class. bubba would either win by a minute or go down 7 times and get 3rd.

RC is an animal but as much as he dominated he also had battles with broc selards for wins.
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