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I’m not disputing that part of it. But we’re not talking about rain, we’re talking about people, and people, unlike rain, can be responsible for their...

I’m not disputing that part of it. But we’re not talking about rain, we’re talking about people, and people, unlike rain, can be responsible for their own actions - even when someone else also did something wrong. 

I once forgot to lock my truck and had a helmet and a few other things stolen. I’m stupid for not locking it but that doesn’t mean that the theif is morally or legally in the clear. Bad actors prey on others’ mistakes and those mistakes shouldn’t blind us to who’s really the bad actor in a situation. The rain analogy doesn’t capture the nuance of a situation where there’s some shared responsibility, but one party is more culpable than the other. 

I’m rather annoyed with myself for bothering engaging with this line of argument because it’s not actually relevant to the topic at hand and R66 doesn’t seem like someone particularly interested in nuance anyways. 

My point and I believe 66’s point is that if the window wasn’t left down the rain/ people wouldn’t have been able to get in/ break...

My point and I believe 66’s point is that if the window wasn’t left down the rain/ people wouldn’t have been able to get in/ break the law.

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Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general...

Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general principle, if I have a duty to protect someone and I fail in that duty then I’m blameworthy. 

The problem is that stopping there would be leaving out something very important. If my failure results in someone harming the person I should have been protecting, the person who caused the harm is culpable for causing the harm. If I messed up and someone jumps on the opportunity to do something terrible, then focusing solely on my failure and ignoring the terrible thing that someone did - that they wouldn’t have been able to do if I hadn’t failed - is leaving out the most morally salient feature of the situation. My failure is bad, but it’s not exculpatory for the bad actors that take advantage of it.

This is why I am objecting to saying “rain/people”: it leaves no room for something essential to understanding the moral landscape of the situation. An analogy aims to highlight relevant similarities and it fails to do that if there are glaring relevant differences. The glaring difference is that rain cannot be responsible for things in the same way as people. It makes no sense to ascribe moral agency to rain so it leaves out something important: more than one moral agent. 

I really don’t know what more I can say about this. 

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re frustrated and that’s not my intention. I’m out….👍🏻

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My point and I believe 66’s point is that if the window wasn’t left down the rain/ people wouldn’t have been able to get in/ break...

My point and I believe 66’s point is that if the window wasn’t left down the rain/ people wouldn’t have been able to get in/ break the law.

MPJC wrote:
Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general...

Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general principle, if I have a duty to protect someone and I fail in that duty then I’m blameworthy. 

The problem is that stopping there would be leaving out something very important. If my failure results in someone harming the person I should have been protecting, the person who caused the harm is culpable for causing the harm. If I messed up and someone jumps on the opportunity to do something terrible, then focusing solely on my failure and ignoring the terrible thing that someone did - that they wouldn’t have been able to do if I hadn’t failed - is leaving out the most morally salient feature of the situation. My failure is bad, but it’s not exculpatory for the bad actors that take advantage of it.

This is why I am objecting to saying “rain/people”: it leaves no room for something essential to understanding the moral landscape of the situation. An analogy aims to highlight relevant similarities and it fails to do that if there are glaring relevant differences. The glaring difference is that rain cannot be responsible for things in the same way as people. It makes no sense to ascribe moral agency to rain so it leaves out something important: more than one moral agent. 

I really don’t know what more I can say about this. 

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re...

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re frustrated and that’s not my intention. I’m out….👍🏻

All good. Don’t worry about me being frustrated. 👍

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My point and I believe 66’s point is that if the window wasn’t left down the rain/ people wouldn’t have been able to get in/ break...

My point and I believe 66’s point is that if the window wasn’t left down the rain/ people wouldn’t have been able to get in/ break the law.

MPJC wrote:
Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general...

Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general principle, if I have a duty to protect someone and I fail in that duty then I’m blameworthy. 

The problem is that stopping there would be leaving out something very important. If my failure results in someone harming the person I should have been protecting, the person who caused the harm is culpable for causing the harm. If I messed up and someone jumps on the opportunity to do something terrible, then focusing solely on my failure and ignoring the terrible thing that someone did - that they wouldn’t have been able to do if I hadn’t failed - is leaving out the most morally salient feature of the situation. My failure is bad, but it’s not exculpatory for the bad actors that take advantage of it.

This is why I am objecting to saying “rain/people”: it leaves no room for something essential to understanding the moral landscape of the situation. An analogy aims to highlight relevant similarities and it fails to do that if there are glaring relevant differences. The glaring difference is that rain cannot be responsible for things in the same way as people. It makes no sense to ascribe moral agency to rain so it leaves out something important: more than one moral agent. 

I really don’t know what more I can say about this. 

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re...

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re frustrated and that’s not my intention. I’m out….👍🏻

Yea that’s why rain wasn’t the best example. The rain had no choice but to enter the open window. people (rain) have a choice to enter the USA legally or illegally (open window). 

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7/19/2025 2:37pm
MPJC wrote:
Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general...

Of course. That’s not in dispute. The person who left the window/border opened has done something wrong. I’m completely in agreement with that. As a general principle, if I have a duty to protect someone and I fail in that duty then I’m blameworthy. 

The problem is that stopping there would be leaving out something very important. If my failure results in someone harming the person I should have been protecting, the person who caused the harm is culpable for causing the harm. If I messed up and someone jumps on the opportunity to do something terrible, then focusing solely on my failure and ignoring the terrible thing that someone did - that they wouldn’t have been able to do if I hadn’t failed - is leaving out the most morally salient feature of the situation. My failure is bad, but it’s not exculpatory for the bad actors that take advantage of it.

This is why I am objecting to saying “rain/people”: it leaves no room for something essential to understanding the moral landscape of the situation. An analogy aims to highlight relevant similarities and it fails to do that if there are glaring relevant differences. The glaring difference is that rain cannot be responsible for things in the same way as people. It makes no sense to ascribe moral agency to rain so it leaves out something important: more than one moral agent. 

I really don’t know what more I can say about this. 

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re...

Haahaa, I think you getting to hung up on the rain/people thing. So I’ll to disagree with you to a certain degree. But that’s ok…… You’re frustrated and that’s not my intention. I’m out….👍🏻

soggy wrote:
Yea that’s why rain wasn’t the best example. The rain had no choice but to enter the open window. people (rain) have a choice to enter...

Yea that’s why rain wasn’t the best example. The rain had no choice but to enter the open window. people (rain) have a choice to enter the USA legally or illegally (open window). 

Well there is actually a song by the Weather Girls called “It’s Rain’n Men” so comparing people to rain isn’t unprecedented…. 😂

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soggy wrote:
Yea that’s why rain wasn’t the best example. The rain had no choice but to enter the open window. people (rain) have a choice to enter...

Yea that’s why rain wasn’t the best example. The rain had no choice but to enter the open window. people (rain) have a choice to enter the USA legally or illegally (open window). 

When I left the windows down, it was guaranteed to rain. 

 

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R66 wrote:
Regarding the border. Let me dumb it down for some of y’all. If I borrow your truck to run down to the Piggly Wiggly to get some...

Regarding the border. 
Let me dumb it down for some of y’all. If I borrow your truck to run down to the Piggly Wiggly to get some beer and when I get back I park it in the yard and leave the windows down. It rains all night. In the morning the interior of your truck is soaking wet. Whose fault is it?

 

Me. For being friends with a total idiot. 

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R66 wrote:
Regarding the border. Let me dumb it down for some of y’all. If I borrow your truck to run down to the Piggly Wiggly to get some...

Regarding the border. 
Let me dumb it down for some of y’all. If I borrow your truck to run down to the Piggly Wiggly to get some beer and when I get back I park it in the yard and leave the windows down. It rains all night. In the morning the interior of your truck is soaking wet. Whose fault is it?

 

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Me. For being friends with a total idiot. 

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Any minute now 😆

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Any minute now 😆

Funny he’s releasing the MLK files like that’ll make Epstein disappear. 

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soggy wrote:

Any minute now 😆

mtbkris2 wrote:

Funny he’s releasing the MLK files like that’ll make Epstein disappear. 

Hey! Look over here!!!

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R66 wrote:
Regarding the border. Let me dumb it down for some of y’all. If I borrow your truck to run down to the Piggly Wiggly to get some...

Regarding the border. 
Let me dumb it down for some of y’all. If I borrow your truck to run down to the Piggly Wiggly to get some beer and when I get back I park it in the yard and leave the windows down. It rains all night. In the morning the interior of your truck is soaking wet. Whose fault is it?

 

mvd61 wrote:

Me. For being friends with a total idiot. 

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Good one!😂💯

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7/22/2025 9:14pm

This one is really tough for the MAGA (or is it MIGA?) movement and im pretty sure many Trump supporters think about this.

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no big deal, just shutting down congress to protect pedophiles

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7/23/2025 9:31am Edited Date/Time 7/23/2025 9:36am

This is probably more for the Trump followers on here, than the pro-Mamdani Dem Libs anti-Trump posters on here:

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This is probably more for the Trump followers on here, than the pro-Mamdani Dem Libs anti-Trump posters on here:

It’s not about “if he releases the files”.  

It’s about why he is trying not to. And if he is either a pedophile, or protecting pedophiles, because of their social status, then yes, I will turn against him.  I already am to be honest.  

We can do all those things with another leader.  

 

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burn1986 wrote:

This is probably more for the Trump followers on here, than the pro-Mamdani Dem Libs anti-Trump posters on here:

It’s not about “if he releases the files”.  It’s about why he is trying not to. And if he is either a pedophile, or protecting pedophiles...

It’s not about “if he releases the files”.  

It’s about why he is trying not to. And if he is either a pedophile, or protecting pedophiles, because of their social status, then yes, I will turn against him.  I already am to be honest.  

We can do all those things with another leader.  

 

It’s pretty obvious to anyone with a few brain cells at this point to understand he either participated in the heinous acts against women, some of which were minors, or is super close to those who did and is protecting them. He sent birthday cards to Epstein. He was known to be one of his closest friends for many years. The way he’s acted about this investigation. Etc.

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7/23/2025 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2025 11:15pm

Its as obvious as ice is cold, fire is hot that Trump and Epstein were close at the minimum. 

The question is, why are hard MAGA folks so willing to turn an eye to paedolphilia ? And they are normally the ones toting to kill them not jail them in every other circumstance! 
Trump Derangement Syndrome from the other direction right? 

Leaders with Morals, is hard to find. Let alone ones that arent criminally challenged.

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Can’t scream about protecting the kids any time trans issues come up then hide every time Epstein comes up

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I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite the same thing. Not ideal but I don't take it as support for this, I take it as finally realizing they've been conned. Easier to just check out than it is to let yourself wonder how deep the con goes. 

Probably too much to ask, but the TDS crowd would be better served to just let MAGA be instead of taking the victory lap. This whole thing isn't a win for anyone except the kid fuckers who have gotten away with it so long. Gloating over some partisan "win" on this story is just gross. 

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truck wrote:
I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite...

I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite the same thing. Not ideal but I don't take it as support for this, I take it as finally realizing they've been conned. Easier to just check out than it is to let yourself wonder how deep the con goes. 

Probably too much to ask, but the TDS crowd would be better served to just let MAGA be instead of taking the victory lap. This whole thing isn't a win for anyone except the kid fuckers who have gotten away with it so long. Gloating over some partisan "win" on this story is just gross. 

I can't remember, didn't MAGA gloat over Biden's dementia.

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truck wrote:
I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite...

I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite the same thing. Not ideal but I don't take it as support for this, I take it as finally realizing they've been conned. Easier to just check out than it is to let yourself wonder how deep the con goes. 

Probably too much to ask, but the TDS crowd would be better served to just let MAGA be instead of taking the victory lap. This whole thing isn't a win for anyone except the kid fuckers who have gotten away with it so long. Gloating over some partisan "win" on this story is just gross. 

I can't remember, didn't MAGA gloat over Biden's dementia.

Whataboutism.... the defense that isn't really a defense of anything that simpletons will never let go of....

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truck wrote:
I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite...

I don't see a lot of people defending Trump on this. I see a lot of silence from people who used to defend Trump. Not quite the same thing. Not ideal but I don't take it as support for this, I take it as finally realizing they've been conned. Easier to just check out than it is to let yourself wonder how deep the con goes. 

Probably too much to ask, but the TDS crowd would be better served to just let MAGA be instead of taking the victory lap. This whole thing isn't a win for anyone except the kid fuckers who have gotten away with it so long. Gloating over some partisan "win" on this story is just gross. 

I can't remember, didn't MAGA gloat over Biden's dementia.

truck wrote:

Whataboutism.... the defense that isn't really a defense of anything that simpletons will never let go of....

Whataboutism.... MAGA's favorite tool!

Both sides suck, until voters recognize this, and get actively involved in their favorite party's selection process, nothing will change.

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7/23/2025 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2025 8:19pm

Hey if he did, he did. Then he’ll face justice and we’ll have a new president. Then all you guys will disappear, CNN (AT&T) will go back to virtual bankruptcy, Last2stroke will disappear, and all the “experts” will be nowhere to be seen. 

But all of us “Trump lovers” will still be here, because we haven’t based our whole lives and existence on one person. Trump is just a guy, but all you whacks and experts who pour over Trump hate media and fuel you anti whatever will go off to a sad existence. Some have already ruined themselves over Trump.

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7/23/2025 8:22pm

The Vitards are too funny.....

I just laugh at you clowns.

I'm still waiting for a reply about just who is on this so-called list?

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7/23/2025 8:25pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2025 8:25pm

The Vitards are too funny.....

I just laugh at you clowns.

I'm still waiting for a reply about just who is on this so-called list?

"I'm still waiting for a reply about just who is on this so-called list?"

Trump knows, he was briefed in May!

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Where are the victims? Why haven’t they started coming out of the woodwork? Did the Clintons make them disappear? Not so much as a peep from the victims or a family member of the victims.

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7/23/2025 8:48pm

The Vitards are too funny.....

I just laugh at you clowns.

I'm still waiting for a reply about just who is on this so-called list?

"I'm still waiting for a reply about just who is on this so-called list?"

Trump knows, he was briefed in May!

Do you, Captain Kangaroo?

Give us a list, or stop posting about it, curmudgeon.

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Where are the victims? Why haven’t they started coming out of the woodwork? Did the Clintons make them disappear? Not so much as a peep from...

Where are the victims? Why haven’t they started coming out of the woodwork? Did the Clintons make them disappear? Not so much as a peep from the victims or a family member of the victims.

Virginia Giuffre, Sarah Ransome, Maria Farmer, Jennifer Araoz, Katlyn Doe, Lisa Doe, Priscilla Doe, Teresa Helm, Annie Farmer, Maria Farmer, Juliette Bryant and Teala Davies all came forward.

Many victims of Catholic Priests didn't come forward, if you were a victim would you come forward? 

Come on the world needs to know what the Priest did to you, or would you like your privacy?

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"I'm still waiting for a reply about just who is on this so-called list?"

Trump knows, he was briefed in May!

None of us really know. There’s a reason the Dems have held on to this for years. It’s mainly the Republicans are pushing for the release, and the interview of Ghislaine (sp?). I believe the Clinton’s have also received subpoenas to testify before some committee. Probably others over the next few weeks.
 

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