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mxgeoff 9/30/2010 2:02am
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Maybe there is a spot for him in Europe.
I talked to him about europe, but he's got a kid and a wife. He said don't rule it out and I know about 20 American riders have contacted teams in Europe looking for a ride. problem is not that many American's can handle the lifestyle change and that scares the euro teams in signing anyone other than a Dungey or a Reed.
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yamaboost480 wrote:
why does millsaps still have a ride there and short doesnt? it doesnt seem to make much sense that a rider who hasnt raced in quite...
why does millsaps still have a ride there and short doesnt? it doesnt seem to make much sense that a rider who hasnt raced in quite some time has a ride while a rider who did very well at MXdN gets the boot. politics
Millsaps is going to JGR in 2011.
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moto138 9/30/2010 6:22am
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I'm I a Short fan? Hmmmmmm? I've been on opposing teams & he's always been tough. A real SOB at times. A real dirty 1 too...
I'm I a Short fan?
Hmmmmmm?
I've been on opposing teams & he's always been tough.
A real SOB at times.
A real dirty 1 too at times.
Yet I've always liked his spunk, style & smoothness.
But here's the but, he needs to win.
Andrew has been trying to find his edge for yrs. now.
Sure he's a top 5 guy, and even a podium guy here-n-there.
But as we all saw this past weekend at the MXoN, he had his Golden Moment while leading RD in the final moto.
Personally, I hoped he pulled it off.
Personally I thought RD might just ease back some.
But to my surprise, sure it's a team race & all that, but to my surprise he waves RD by.
If he was a boxer, & I was in his corner, I'd say "WTF my friend".
Take SX this year.
3 of the sports biggest players OUT!
Take the Outdoors this year.
Again, major players, OUT!
It couldn't have been more ripe for Andrew to win.
Factory Honda at the level he achieved in his career expects winning.
Factory Honda is winning.
Red Bull may be out.
Not much bling there lately except beautiful bikes & set-up.
Beyond the fans, beyond the smiles, it's business.
Business as usual at Big Red is winning.
Remember their famous slogan, "FOLLOW THE LEADER".
That says it all right there.
From the inside one must ask, at what point is enough enough.
I believe they reached that point.
Milsaps first...
Now maybe Andrew....?
Even if you re-adjust the high salary, your still buying the same situation.
In the end it's all for the greater good....just depends what side your on.
Personally, I wish him well.
I know what it's like.
Dave O.Wink












i noticed you mentioned Redbull is maybe out at honda. i have heard the same thing yesterday. did you also hear they are taking their money to KTM?
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DavidR 9/30/2010 7:00am
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Under the old Wrangler Grand National Champion (cool blue plate with yellow #1) most combined points in SX and MX the last three years would break down like this:
2008:
Andrew Short
2009:
Chad Reed
Andrew Short
2010:
Ryan Dungey
Trey Canard
Andrew Short

What do these three years have in common?

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joltonjay 9/30/2010 7:30am
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LIfe is not fair... "Today is my last day in Co. It's been awesome to be home. Going to miss it. Headed back to Tx. After...
LIfe is not fair...

"Today is my last day in Co. It's been awesome to be home. Going to miss it. Headed back to Tx. After tomorrow I'm going to need a job"

http://twitter.com/AndrewShortMX29
Shorty just tweeted that he might have a job for next year....
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WFO 9/30/2010 7:58am
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He will be just fine and probably still be on a Honda
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CRF STUFF 9/30/2010 8:42am
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Personally out of all the non title contenders (98% of the field) Shorty would be the first guy I sign. He represents his sponsors as good...
Personally out of all the non title contenders (98% of the field) Shorty would be the first guy I sign. He represents his sponsors as good as any body and better than most. There's also the fact that he's pretty much the only rider that year in and year out is able to make it to 99% of the races. The guy appreciates his occupation more than most and because of that puts everything he has into it. By now we all know Shorty isn't ever going to set the world on fire by winning races and championships but IMO he'll sell more products for his sponsors than just about anyone.

Being a huge loyal Suzuki guy I would love to see Short dog over there.
Yeah what he said, except that last part about being on a Suzuki..........
IMO- Short is Mr HONDA to the MX community.
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Ozzy 9/30/2010 11:08am
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Quote..."CRF STUFF" :
"IMO- Short is Mr HONDA to the MX community."

Maybe to you, and your entitled to yours.......
For me, I think of the GREAT.........
Rick Johnson
Jeff Stanton
Ricky Carmichael
Jeremy McGrath
to name a few..........................
They're "Mr. HONDA" status.
And from what I hear Andrew will be just fine and in great company again.
Maybe a different color, but still 100% Shorty and coming to a track near you.
He'll be just fine.
Dave O. Wink
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Ozzy 9/30/2010 11:26am
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For me, I've remained friendly with most everyone I've had the pleasure to work with.
Be it a crew member, rider, driver, Boss, whatever, at times there's just those times.
As good and as personable as guys like Andrew are, there does come that time.
Again, life at times can be cruel it seems but that's just life, and that's sports.
I've had crew leave for more money.
A better situation.
Whatever it was, I usually felt a loss.
That's how a team environment should be, has to be.
Riders too.
The Great Andrew McFarlane recently comes to mind.
Loved that guy, but there too came that time, however, we remained friends until his death recently. I loved him his wife, they were great people to me and mine.
But he moved on and he was fine regardless of color or place.
I'm sure in Andrew Shorts case, he'll gain motivation from this and I'm positive he'll remain a strong podium rider just as he has been.
After all, that's Andrew Short.
Dave O.Wink
xnationalwrench 9/30/2010 11:33am
9/30/2010 11:33am
yamaboost480 wrote:
why does millsaps still have a ride there and short doesnt? it doesnt seem to make much sense that a rider who hasnt raced in quite...
why does millsaps still have a ride there and short doesnt? it doesnt seem to make much sense that a rider who hasnt raced in quite some time has a ride while a rider who did very well at MXdN gets the boot. politics
Who said Millsaps was still there?
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sdrider16 9/30/2010 12:32pm
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Ok, of the riders that you guys think are faster then Shorty who doesn't have a ride?

Reed, don't see him at factory honda
JS- he has a ride
RV- has a ride
Dundgey- should be staying with Suzuki
Canard- Honda
Metcalfe- ????
Poursel- ????

so who else would you hire in front of short? I think Shorty would be my choice.
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sdrider16 wrote:
Ok, of the riders that you guys think are faster then Shorty who doesn't have a ride? Reed, don't see him at factory honda JS- he...
Ok, of the riders that you guys think are faster then Shorty who doesn't have a ride?

Reed, don't see him at factory honda
JS- he has a ride
RV- has a ride
Dundgey- should be staying with Suzuki
Canard- Honda
Metcalfe- ????
Poursel- ????

so who else would you hire in front of short? I think Shorty would be my choice.
if i owned a team and the value wasnt to good for those 3rd to 7th place guys i would be sendin out the call to some small bike riders to move up for a value (if that could be pulled off)
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Sonny 9/30/2010 6:36pm
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Talent is important...almost as important as a great sports agent.
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oshow 9/30/2010 6:55pm
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sdrider16 wrote:
Ok, of the riders that you guys think are faster then Shorty who doesn't have a ride? Reed, don't see him at factory honda JS- he...
Ok, of the riders that you guys think are faster then Shorty who doesn't have a ride?

Reed, don't see him at factory honda
JS- he has a ride
RV- has a ride
Dundgey- should be staying with Suzuki
Canard- Honda
Metcalfe- ????
Poursel- ????

so who else would you hire in front of short? I think Shorty would be my choice.
I'd hire everyone on that list before Short. Fact
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paul937 9/30/2010 7:28pm
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This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

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paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

"typical" - nailed it

but come on, we know you know the truth about whats likely to happen spill the beans!

ok i had to try...
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DanDunes818 9/30/2010 7:45pm
9/30/2010 7:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2010 7:51pm
paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing going on) where each rider is or may be going is obviously a hot topic. So since we really have no valid info we BS back in forth.. I'm glad we make you laugh but not all of us are as cool (or think we're as cool) as you think you are.

Oh and I love your Typical comment.. I think it's obviously typical that fans will speculate and bench race about who may be going where when they're told nothing. I think you're " I act like I know something but won't tell attitude " is far more typical.
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FIREfish148 9/30/2010 8:05pm
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Thank god Teams like JGR, and Valli are around. Maybe Yamaha can open a door for a factory rider or two?

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adamdf 9/30/2010 8:06pm
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paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

DanDunes818 wrote:
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing...
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing going on) where each rider is or may be going is obviously a hot topic. So since we really have no valid info we BS back in forth.. I'm glad we make you laugh but not all of us are as cool (or think we're as cool) as you think you are.

Oh and I love your Typical comment.. I think it's obviously typical that fans will speculate and bench race about who may be going where when they're told nothing. I think you're " I act like I know something but won't tell attitude " is far more typical.
Dan, dont take it so harsh man....think Paul was spot on, maybe he's just hinting that the guys in this thread are off base, thats all...

Also, if there is anyone on this board that knows Shorty's plans for next year, its Paul...that should be obvious if you have been keeping up...i dont think Paul is doing any more thought provoking stuff than Reed has been doing on Twitter the last month or so...and surely he can't release what he knows, thats not his place and we can't hate on him for that either...it is what it is
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DanDunes818 9/30/2010 9:23pm
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paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

DanDunes818 wrote:
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing...
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing going on) where each rider is or may be going is obviously a hot topic. So since we really have no valid info we BS back in forth.. I'm glad we make you laugh but not all of us are as cool (or think we're as cool) as you think you are.

Oh and I love your Typical comment.. I think it's obviously typical that fans will speculate and bench race about who may be going where when they're told nothing. I think you're " I act like I know something but won't tell attitude " is far more typical.
adamdf wrote:
Dan, dont take it so harsh man....think Paul was spot on, maybe he's just hinting that the guys in this thread are off base, thats all...
Dan, dont take it so harsh man....think Paul was spot on, maybe he's just hinting that the guys in this thread are off base, thats all...

Also, if there is anyone on this board that knows Shorty's plans for next year, its Paul...that should be obvious if you have been keeping up...i dont think Paul is doing any more thought provoking stuff than Reed has been doing on Twitter the last month or so...and surely he can't release what he knows, thats not his place and we can't hate on him for that either...it is what it is
Sorry bro.. I guess when you don't like someone a simple post comes off as harsh..lol
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If Honda doesn't re-sign Short, they are once again showing their ineptitude. The guy has been nothing short (pun intended) of a consistency machine. Family guy, awesome spokesperson for Honda. He knows it is a privilege to have the ride, treats it with respect, and works his ass off. Remind me why Honda wouldn't re-sign the guy? What did he do to get fired? Fuck the dog? Roll a rental car? Be a dick? Never finish a moto? Oh, he didn't beat Dungey? Neither did anyone else, including bubba. Yea, fire the fucker-he sucks (huge sarcasm intended).
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DanDunes818 9/30/2010 11:11pm
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bents wrote:
If Honda doesn't re-sign Short, they are once again showing their ineptitude. The guy has been nothing short (pun intended) of a consistency machine. Family guy...
If Honda doesn't re-sign Short, they are once again showing their ineptitude. The guy has been nothing short (pun intended) of a consistency machine. Family guy, awesome spokesperson for Honda. He knows it is a privilege to have the ride, treats it with respect, and works his ass off. Remind me why Honda wouldn't re-sign the guy? What did he do to get fired? Fuck the dog? Roll a rental car? Be a dick? Never finish a moto? Oh, he didn't beat Dungey? Neither did anyone else, including bubba. Yea, fire the fucker-he sucks (huge sarcasm intended).
Well said sir.. x2 to the whole post.
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iudi2006 10/1/2010 12:07am
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bents wrote:
If Honda doesn't re-sign Short, they are once again showing their ineptitude. The guy has been nothing short (pun intended) of a consistency machine. Family guy...
If Honda doesn't re-sign Short, they are once again showing their ineptitude. The guy has been nothing short (pun intended) of a consistency machine. Family guy, awesome spokesperson for Honda. He knows it is a privilege to have the ride, treats it with respect, and works his ass off. Remind me why Honda wouldn't re-sign the guy? What did he do to get fired? Fuck the dog? Roll a rental car? Be a dick? Never finish a moto? Oh, he didn't beat Dungey? Neither did anyone else, including bubba. Yea, fire the fucker-he sucks (huge sarcasm intended).
He did beat Dungey. Budds Creek 1st moto! And it's offically October 1st! Most riders are unemployed at this point!
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paul937 10/1/2010 8:08am
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paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

DanDunes818 wrote:
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing...
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing going on) where each rider is or may be going is obviously a hot topic. So since we really have no valid info we BS back in forth.. I'm glad we make you laugh but not all of us are as cool (or think we're as cool) as you think you are.

Oh and I love your Typical comment.. I think it's obviously typical that fans will speculate and bench race about who may be going where when they're told nothing. I think you're " I act like I know something but won't tell attitude " is far more typical.
I definitely wasn’t trying to act “too cool” or like a “know it all”, quite the contrary, and I’m sorry if it came off that way. I’m simply sticking up for a friend when people are piling on him, would you not do the same? Speculating where he might land is one thing, but jumping to conclusions that have him doing everything from selling cars to riding a Husky, to racing in Europe next year is a little over the top (and yes, I realize a few of those things were said in jest). People are just way too harsh and the guy who doesn’t deserve it. It’s not my place to jeopardize his contract negotiations so when the press release comes out you’ll know where he lands. As mentioned above, a lot of riders are technically "out of work" right now, and it’s just part of the way the industry game is being played the past few years due to the economy.

It just cracks me up that from one tinny little sentence people can draw all those conclusions of why he deserves to be fired from Honda (I.E. he let Dungey pass him, he sucks because he can’t win, blah blah blah). It’s like a piranha feeding frenzy. Regardless of where he lands Trey did not take his ride, one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Geez you guys are harsh.

And Dan, from looking at your posts apparently you agree with me but just don’t like me? LOL

Paul
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paul937 10/1/2010 8:26am
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LIfe is not fair... "Today is my last day in Co. It's been awesome to be home. Going to miss it. Headed back to Tx. After...
LIfe is not fair...

"Today is my last day in Co. It's been awesome to be home. Going to miss it. Headed back to Tx. After tomorrow I'm going to need a job"

http://twitter.com/AndrewShortMX29
X100 especially the part about Dungey technically being the only one who "deserves" a factory ride and to get paid well.
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BobbyM 10/1/2010 8:35am
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paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

DanDunes818 wrote:
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing...
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing going on) where each rider is or may be going is obviously a hot topic. So since we really have no valid info we BS back in forth.. I'm glad we make you laugh but not all of us are as cool (or think we're as cool) as you think you are.

Oh and I love your Typical comment.. I think it's obviously typical that fans will speculate and bench race about who may be going where when they're told nothing. I think you're " I act like I know something but won't tell attitude " is far more typical.
yup danny...hush hush mums the word and then these bigshot insiders like pauly gee here get all pissed off if you make a guess. damn you pauly gee...Wink

broncos suck btw...you are gonna owe me some bucks before this season is over.
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paul937 10/1/2010 8:59am
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paul937 wrote:
This thread is a riot. Almost everyone jumping to conclusions, typical.

DanDunes818 wrote:
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing...
No it's called speculation. With the way this industry is w/its tight lipped insiders we as fans can only speculate. During silly season (with no racing going on) where each rider is or may be going is obviously a hot topic. So since we really have no valid info we BS back in forth.. I'm glad we make you laugh but not all of us are as cool (or think we're as cool) as you think you are.

Oh and I love your Typical comment.. I think it's obviously typical that fans will speculate and bench race about who may be going where when they're told nothing. I think you're " I act like I know something but won't tell attitude " is far more typical.
BobbyM wrote:
yup danny...hush hush mums the word and then these bigshot insiders like pauly gee here get all pissed off if you make a guess. damn you...
yup danny...hush hush mums the word and then these bigshot insiders like pauly gee here get all pissed off if you make a guess. damn you pauly gee...Wink

broncos suck btw...you are gonna owe me some bucks before this season is over.
Ha Ha!! Whatever Bobby!! Tongue We'll see!! Cool
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CRF STUFF 10/1/2010 9:27am
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Ozzy wrote:
Quote..."CRF STUFF" : "IMO- Short is Mr HONDA to the MX community." Maybe to you, and your entitled to yours....... For me, I think of the...
Quote..."CRF STUFF" :
"IMO- Short is Mr HONDA to the MX community."

Maybe to you, and your entitled to yours.......
For me, I think of the GREAT.........
Rick Johnson
Jeff Stanton
Ricky Carmichael
Jeremy McGrath
to name a few..........................
They're "Mr. HONDA" status.
And from what I hear Andrew will be just fine and in great company again.
Maybe a different color, but still 100% Shorty and coming to a track near you.
He'll be just fine.
Dave O. Wink
I didn't mean to imply that Andrew is the greatest HONDA MX icon of all time, but I do believe he is doing a great job of filling those shoes at the moment. I would add Andrew Short, Marty Smith and David Bailey to your list. The videos that Andrew has shared this past year at www.AndrewShort.com are what converted me to an Andrew Short Fan! Obviously there are many types of riders that appeal to many different groups of fans. For some, winning is all that matters. I happen to believe that being a decent human being and ambassador of the sport is just as important. Smile
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mccread 10/1/2010 11:00am
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Slow wrote:
Maybe there is a spot for him in Europe.
mxgeoff wrote:
I talked to him about europe, but he's got a kid and a wife. He said don't rule it out and I know about 20 American...
I talked to him about europe, but he's got a kid and a wife. He said don't rule it out and I know about 20 American riders have contacted teams in Europe looking for a ride. problem is not that many American's can handle the lifestyle change and that scares the euro teams in signing anyone other than a Dungey or a Reed.
Agree with that.. one of the factors there are not too many US riders in GPs..the different cultures and countries compared to a US series seems to overwhelm them...and living at home is more attractive (Mike Brown also said the key was not to come in over confident which sometime hampers the US riders) another reason why Zach Osborne should get a lot of respect... maybe his success will entice the US riders to ride GPs again and bring confidence to the GP teams...It would be good to see more US riders being able to transfer their ablity in the US to a World series... but a GP team needs to give them a chance with a two year deal.. with the first year as a learning year.

Short deserves a good ride... Honda should resign him imo.. he has held that brand up for the last few years on his own in the US.. they should show him some loyaly... he is always around the top five and frequently on the podium... and he gets a little better every year... he is also a good role model for the young guys they may hire on the team.

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Blake 10/1/2010 12:15pm
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Well, if we keep outsourcing American rides, lots here won't have a ride.

He'll be at Honda still I'm guessing.

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