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Here's it in a nut shell.........
Roger is to Moto what Arnold Palmer is to Golf!
However that ship has sailed, & believe you me there's KEY OTHERS!!!
Again, he's a part of it yes, but not THE PART!!!!!
There's more than 1 pilot flyin the plane, get it!

Dave O.Wink

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9/26/2010 8:03pm
mx-frog wrote:
Don't listen to old Jmar he doesn't have any respect for older riders and the history of the sport.
bigborefan wrote:
JMARis an Okie, the reddest state in the nation. They hate all foreigners, no matter who they are. Fox News tells them to.
You're an idiot, and yes this thread is possibly more idiotic than your post...
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9/26/2010 8:16pm
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Mitch has a much better batting average than Roger. Mitch isn't "The Man" as some that live in the past want to believe. Again, I think...
Mitch has a much better batting average than Roger.



Mitch isn't "The Man" as some that live in the past want to believe.



Again, I think Roger is a very good team manager. Just not good enough to win with out the right riders.
Ing wrote:
Possibly the stupidest post you've ever posted and you have had some whoppers. How could anyone win without the right riders. Step back for a minute...
Possibly the stupidest post you've ever posted and you have had some whoppers. How could anyone win without the right riders. Step back for a minute and re-read what you just wrote. If you can't see the stupidity in the last sentence than no one can possibly point it out to you. What is this "batting average" you speak of? You do know this isn't baseball don't you? From the wording of this post I'm not so sure you do. Not only is the man a "past" champion but he's also a current day champion. That's why he's the MAN and why he continually signs the best riders the sport has to offer. Do you really think RC and RD would have signed with Suzy if it wasn't for Roger? I will stop now as I doubt anything that is written will be understood. Buh-Bye.
: Possibly the stupidest post you've ever posted and you have had some whoppers. How could anyone win without the right riders.

That's my entire point. The one thing that some of you keep neglecting to acknowledge is that (as I have said over and over) he's a very good team manager. With that said, he's not the reason that RC, Reed or Dungey won championships. He played a part in those championships, but the reality is, that they would have won those championships under another team manager. And on the years that he didn't have the right talent, he came up dry. The reality is, it's the riders that win the titles, with some help and guidance from the team manager, and the rest of those involved in the team.

As far as his batting average, he's been a team manager since 1981. That's 29 years as a team manager. How many championships has he produced in those 29 years?

How many has Mitch produced?

How many has Larry Brooks produced, and some of you internet experts think that he is clueless.

You do the math, and take into account how established RC and CR were before they parked their bikes under Rogers tent.

You may not like what I have to say, but that doesn't mean that what I have to say is wrong or incorrect. It just means that it doesn't suit what you believe to be reality.

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9/26/2010 8:23pm
robkinuk wrote:
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a...
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a 21 year legacy!
FastEddy wrote:
Yep, Roger has made some great decisions and helped the sport evolve in this country in more then one way. He has went to to bat...
Yep, Roger has made some great decisions and helped the sport evolve in this country in more then one way.

He has went to to bat not only for the best riders/racers in the sport at the pro level, but also to make sure Suzuki had a successful amateur program.

He has done alot over the years for American Motocross.
He has went to to bat not only for the best riders/racers in the sport at the pro level, but also to make sure Suzuki had a successful amateur program.

Things like this is what drives me nuts. Roger had noting to do with Suzuki's amateur program, but here you are, taking the credit from others and giving it to Roger.



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For me, most posts are just what they are.....
Great, good, silly, lame, stupid.....whatever, you/we be the judge, right.
I like to try & inform, but most are just opinions at the end of the day anyways......
Regardless of ones experience or experiences on here, even if your an insider it's always open to the ups & downs of it all.
But, for sure, Roger, the Man the Myth, deserves our undivided respect.
Sure he's helped this sport here-n-there plenty over his many storied yrs.
For as many highs, he's had plenty of lows, shoot we all have, as we're only human.
But, this team, any many before it as well have had many great people involved.
Many involved even at the level of say Roger.
This I know to be true.
This I know to be fact.
Do we say owe him a note of thanks, sure we do.
So "Thank you Roger"........but "Thank you to Mitch Payton too".........
For many of our Victories he's been right in there.
& before Mitch, others too...........
Again, there's more than 1 pilot here since day 1!
There's no I in TEAM, & certainly not here either.
Dave O. Wink
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9/26/2010 8:24pm
Ozzy wrote:
Here's it in a nut shell......... Roger is to Moto what Arnold Palmer is to Golf! However that ship has sailed, & believe you me there's...
Here's it in a nut shell.........
Roger is to Moto what Arnold Palmer is to Golf!
However that ship has sailed, & believe you me there's KEY OTHERS!!!
Again, he's a part of it yes, but not THE PART!!!!!
There's more than 1 pilot flyin the plane, get it!

Dave O.Wink

Ozzy get's it.
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9/26/2010 9:20pm
On paper, if you are riding for either of those two guys, your chances of winning look pretty damned good.

Roger has 36 national titles as a manager, not counting regional 125/250F sx. Mitch has 10 titles, although his winning percentage is probably quite a bit higher because he just runs one class. There were a few years that Honda was taking 3 titles a year so those Honda years were successful for DeCoster and offsets some dry years at Suzuki. Mitch built his race program from scratch, which is amazing, and roger won five 500 world championships as a racer. They are both moto legends.
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9/26/2010 9:28pm
mx-frog wrote:
Don't listen to old Jmar he doesn't have any respect for older riders and the history of the sport.
bigborefan wrote:
JMARis an Okie, the reddest state in the nation. They hate all foreigners, no matter who they are. Fox News tells them to.
And you're from the left coast...about as blue/socialist as it gets. You like paying all those taxes to support millions of illegals that are taking over your society? How's the government-condoned dope sales working out for you? Maybe they'll figure out a way to tax the dope to pay for the economic black hole your state's sinking in.
9/26/2010 9:30pm
mx-frog wrote:
Don't listen to old Jmar he doesn't have any respect for older riders and the history of the sport.
bigborefan wrote:
JMARis an Okie, the reddest state in the nation. They hate all foreigners, no matter who they are. Fox News tells them to.
jmar wrote:
Jmar doesn't watch fox news, and jmar hates the "we are the best" mullet mentality that the Americans seem to get every year when this race...
Jmar doesn't watch fox news, and jmar hates the "we are the best" mullet mentality that the Americans seem to get every year when this race comes around.

Jmar is a fan of the sport and doesn't give two shits about what country a rider is from.
Why is jmar talking about himself in the third person? Have you been taking lessons from Mike Alessi? Wink
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9/26/2010 9:44pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2010 9:46pm
mx-frog wrote:
Don't listen to old Jmar he doesn't have any respect for older riders and the history of the sport.
bigborefan wrote:
JMARis an Okie, the reddest state in the nation. They hate all foreigners, no matter who they are. Fox News tells them to.
drmarkr wrote:
And you're from the left coast...about as blue/socialist as it gets. You like paying all those taxes to support millions of illegals that are taking over...
And you're from the left coast...about as blue/socialist as it gets. You like paying all those taxes to support millions of illegals that are taking over your society? How's the government-condoned dope sales working out for you? Maybe they'll figure out a way to tax the dope to pay for the economic black hole your state's sinking in.
Dr. Mark



I don't know who bigborefan is, but I don't believe he is from Beverly Hills. I also believe that there is a little sarcasm in his post.



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9/26/2010 9:47pm
robkinuk wrote:
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a...
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a 21 year legacy!
Agreed.
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9/26/2010 9:52pm
What if the riders themselves wanted him there. I thought it was kind of lame that the podium was so small. I expected the team manager to be on the podium as well.

I was more interested in Canard pulling a rocky pose with the flag wrapped around him.Cool

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9/26/2010 9:58pm
CamP wrote:
On paper, if you are riding for either of those two guys, your chances of winning look pretty damned good. Roger has 36 national titles as...
On paper, if you are riding for either of those two guys, your chances of winning look pretty damned good.

Roger has 36 national titles as a manager, not counting regional 125/250F sx. Mitch has 10 titles, although his winning percentage is probably quite a bit higher because he just runs one class. There were a few years that Honda was taking 3 titles a year so those Honda years were successful for DeCoster and offsets some dry years at Suzuki. Mitch built his race program from scratch, which is amazing, and roger won five 500 world championships as a racer. They are both moto legends.
You are leaving out all of Mitch's 125 regional supercross titles.
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9/26/2010 10:06pm
CamP wrote:
On paper, if you are riding for either of those two guys, your chances of winning look pretty damned good. Roger has 36 national titles as...
On paper, if you are riding for either of those two guys, your chances of winning look pretty damned good.

Roger has 36 national titles as a manager, not counting regional 125/250F sx. Mitch has 10 titles, although his winning percentage is probably quite a bit higher because he just runs one class. There were a few years that Honda was taking 3 titles a year so those Honda years were successful for DeCoster and offsets some dry years at Suzuki. Mitch built his race program from scratch, which is amazing, and roger won five 500 world championships as a racer. They are both moto legends.
jmar wrote:
You are leaving out all of Mitch's 125 regional supercross titles.
I tried to find them but they aren't listed anywhere. It's probably close to 20.
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9/26/2010 11:09pm
Respect where respect is due, but it looked to me like the podium should have been much bigger. It looked about like 4 guys standing on a milk crate up there...
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9/27/2010 12:14am
What a load of bullshit. The only thing I saw from Roger was the huge smile on his face which you dont usually see.
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WTF is this all about?Blink
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robkinuk wrote:
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a...
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a 21 year legacy!
x2
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Sometimes I think there is more estrogen on VitalDrive than testosterone.
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9/27/2010 6:44am
robkinuk wrote:
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a...
These comments just show your lack of respect and understanding of just how much Roger has been the Rock on which Team USA has built a 21 year legacy!
Yes.
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TerryK wrote:
For fuck sakes, you guys will bitch about any thing.
And we have a winner!!
9/27/2010 8:02am
I think a manager has a lot more to do with a title than they get credit for.....even if it is RC, Reed or now Dungey.

Same for Mitch's team with a Townley and a Langston. Or even and uber talented young hotshot.

Someone in charge. Really in charge. Has to look in the riders face when shit get's tough and tell them with the conviction that the rider believes in....go back the fuck out there and get shit done. The bike is perfect the suspension is perfect and you are faster.

Do you think that is happening at team J Law?

And for as big a douchebag as Larry B may or may not be, his riders also go to the line knowing that Larry did everything he could to help them, even if it means making up stories on the internet to protect them.

Even the best of the best riders need a strong and solid manager.

In a sport or upsets and unpredictability, managers are important at the top level.
9/27/2010 8:14am
TerryK wrote:
For fuck sakes, you guys will bitch about any thing.
Really? Bitching generates 87% of Vital's page views. Bitching pays your bills. This is what you want isn't it?
9/27/2010 8:17am
kongols wrote:
WTF is this all about?Blink
It started off with the OP saying on the other two podiums, the team manager stood behind the riders while Roger stood in front.

I saw it too on the stream and laughed.
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Deserves to be up there. After all it would have been his ass if USA didn't pull it off without Stewart's World on the team.
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I was at the podium in the press spot about 10 from the stage ( totally poached ), I didnt see any bogarting from roger, and mitch was on the podium, after a bit, him n decoster talked. I think roger deserves the same respect as the riders, he has givin himslf to american motocross, it was kinda pushy up where I was at tho so I might have missed roger shoving his way to the front, IDK. On a couple of sidenotes before I head home, I yelled "way to go ronnie mac" at Canard when he was looking right at me, or at least my direction and he gave a chuckle, then when they sat on their bikes he was RIGHT in front of me so I asked for a slap and he gave a little one, if somebody has the footage from the podium speeches I would love to hear my dumbass, all I had was my blackberry. Then when everybody was just listening somebody shit so fn bad we couldnt help but laughing, ( I know, I know, I'm immature )there was some foreign reporter next to me and both of us were laughing asking who shit! That was by far the greatest race I have ever attended, we had VIP gold passes and they were worth every penny, although the first day of racing was VERY confusing as nobody knew when we were gonna b touring the team rigs, which we never did, but they did let us between the outer fence and inner fence. Then the personal autograph session was a joke but,they got us into the red bull buildings for screwing up so bad day one. I must say I felt like a VIP being in there, Red Bull shit out some serious cake to make everybody happy, all the booze you could drink and of course red bull, they also fed us famous daves, very good stuff. I have some great pics I will share w all of u when I get home, I was close enough to the podium that even my blackberry took good shots, it was so fn cool being that close man, I have never seen a motocrosser as happy as Trey was.
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9/27/2010 10:10am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2010 10:34am
If Mitch Payton didn't have the utmost respect for Roger, he wouldn't have paid out $1800 in cash to buy my portrait of RD with the Chamberlain trophy at Donington Park MXoN in 2008 to give to Roger in recognition of his then 19 MXDN winning years as manager.(Photo credit Carl Stone). Without Roger bringing motocross to popularity in the USA, racing Edison Dye's inter AM series,you guys would probably still be racing desert racesWink He as also a major influence in Team USA's participation in the MXDN back in 1981. Watch any soccer or football match and the coach is always centre stage with the media. Roger deserved to be up there. At least Roger had the sense of mind to tell the riders to remove their Dunlop caps during the playing of the national anthem!Smile
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9/27/2010 10:23am
+1 Rob! Everybody know's Mitch also has a big impact on the Team along with many other's. But you can only have one Team leader to handle details and Roger is the best in the World-period! There's a few clowns on here who just don't get it. Looked what happened to Honda when he was let go-many dry years.
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9/27/2010 10:28am
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+1 Rob! Everybody know's Mitch also has a big impact on the Team along with many other's. But you can only have one Team leader to...
+1 Rob! Everybody know's Mitch also has a big impact on the Team along with many other's. But you can only have one Team leader to handle details and Roger is the best in the World-period! There's a few clowns on here who just don't get it. Looked what happened to Honda when he was let go-many dry years.
First I have great respect and admiration for Roger DeCoster and the job he does . But the beginning of Honda's dry years began when McGrath left the team not DeCoster . Then when RC was on the team they were on top again , then when he got to Suzuki they were on top again . Its the riders first and formost and yes you have to give a team manager the credit for getting them signed .
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jmar wrote:
Mitch has a much better batting average than Roger. Mitch isn't "The Man" as some that live in the past want to believe. Again, I think...
Mitch has a much better batting average than Roger.



Mitch isn't "The Man" as some that live in the past want to believe.



Again, I think Roger is a very good team manager. Just not good enough to win with out the right riders.
"The Man" has forgotten more about this sport than the aggregate moto IQ on this board. Secondly even with great talent you need someone to orchestrate the show and make the talent play nice with each other for the greater cause.

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