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I’m going to preface by saying that I’m not really a Deegan guy but I am a full on believer in his abilities. He’s an unreal talent, puts in the hours off the bike and has the mental pieces needed to be what he is.
BUT, in an alternate universe KTM doesn’t let him go as an amateur and they work out the Red Bull vs Monster deal. If that happens, do we see the same level of dominance from the young man? Hypothetically he could’ve gone through the TLD program, which hasn’t necessarily been great at developing talent on 250s.
So, would we see the same Deegan if he gets tossed into the KTM meat grinder? I’m confident he wins races, but does that regime give him everything he needs to dominate?
One thing is for sure. Decoster would have spanked some common sense in that boy and his father. Their constant beefs and wars on social media would not have been appreciated under the KTM tent. And the best riders win no matter what bike they are on.
The Lawrence brothers won on the CRF250 and Haiden would win on the SXF.
I think that is a spot on assessment. KTM may have been better for Haiden Deegan the person, less so for the racer maybe. But I still think he wins as well.
Yeah that would have been an interesting scenario. Would Roger have told Brian his presence wasnt needed lol. Haiden would have won any any bike, that's for sure.
Them being able to act like jackasses would be baked into any manufacturers contract they sign and that kid can win on anything.
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I don’t think he would be as dominant on a KTM like he is on the Yamaha. The star team had/has a better bike and program for a 250 rider I believe. That and Bobby lets him and his dad do their thing and be themselves which KTM probably wouldn’t and that wouldn’t be a good thing for them. Their whole image fits Star and Monster better then it does with Red Bull and KTM. If he did go to KTM, I don’t think his first 2 years would have went how they did and we wouldn’t be seeing what we see now. They choose the right team imo for him.
Give me a break. Only thing “the man” would’ve done for the Deegans would be cost them money and results.
Look up KTMs 250 results as well as Roger’s failed investments. Plenty there to keep you busy.
Based on Deegan’s results/popularity/career so far since going pro- KTM and Decoster are the last thing the Deegan’s need/needed…
I’ll better take your word for it, you always seems to be spot on with your takes.
Accurate AF
I dont think it would be much different. The rest of the field is wildly inconsistent.
He is comfortably the best rider in the 250 class. He wins no matter what brand he is on IMO. Might make the odd difference at times.
But if he was on another bike I would still pick him to win. What makes him the best is how hard he trains. He is the fittest. He wants to win more than anyone and he will take bigger risks to do so.
Roger decoster does not like arrogance.he has made numourus comments in the past about being humble in the ability you have.As it can be taken away from you in the blink of an eye.
So why the fuck would Roger bring him back to the KTM. Camp
He had him before and we know how that worked out.purely driven by arrogance and money
Are you implying Haiden is “arrogant”? Pretty hard to be when his abilities are generational. The kid is super hard on himself when he loses and uses it as motivation to do better. Arrogant isn’t your word but I bet you felt cool saying it.
OP wasn't talking about Haiden going back to KTM, he was talking about if he'd never left when he was still an amateur.
My personal take is that the kid would do what he does. I don't like his attitude, but there's no arguing he rips on a motorcycle, and he isn't winning just because of the Yamaha. I think the only difference would be back at the truck with Brian and Ian/DeCoster butting heads on pretty much everything regarding Haiden.
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Hi Brian.
With this in mind, how & why do Yamaha allow him to behave like he does?
Do we see him getting better at PR, or worse??
How bad would it need to get before Yamaha step in and tell him to cool it off? Would they ever?
And if they did, would camp Deegan think he is ‘bigger’ than Yamaha so he can do what he wants??
Interesting..
The way they act, it seems that they are a perfect fit with Star Yamaha regarding how they and their personel portray them self sometimes.
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this is less likely than Stew coming out of retirement to challenge Jett and end up going perfect in supercross....
Bike wise, hasn’t Vialle been winning races and championships on the KTM here in the States? Deegan would be doing the same things and comparing fitness processes with Aldon.
Did you actually read the thread? Who said anything about him going back to KTM?
Much like every other championship winning rider in the KTM stable, Roger brought in a champion that was built elsewhere. Has Roger/KTM ever taken a rider from Loretta Lynn’s to a professional championship? Maybe they have, but I don’t recall it.
I think bike wise, he’d be fine. It’s the all the other stuff that makes me wonder where he’d be at today on the KTM
What’s more interesting to me is that KTM hasn’t produced a single real talent all the way through their pipeline in the US in recent memory. Juju is the absolute closest and he was on a private Yamaha until the very end of his amateur career.
Vialle had the benefit of coming through the European side, which seems much better at developing the rider.
All in all, I think Star was the best move for his career. It’s just fun to think, “what if”.
Hard to gauge how a team may potentially negatively affect a rider but it’s hard to bet against Deegan. Dude is a bad ass on a bike. My money would be on him still having titles.
Ever heard of a guy called Ryan Dungey?
Via Suzuki but with Roger the whole way.
What does that matter?
Dungey was an established champion on a Suzuki first. I’m not saying Roger wasn’t involved, but KTM most certainly was not.
The scenario we are discussing here is whether or not Deegan would have been as successful transitioning from the KTM amateur program to the KTM Red Bull team rather than Star Yamaha.
That is what is being discussed in this thread.
Please refer to this excerpt from the OP.
So, would we see the same Deegan if he gets tossed into the KTM meat grinder? I’m confident he wins races, but does that regime give him everything he needs to dominate?
Ah, I gotcha. Lets be real though. Whos a bigger meat grinder than the Star program? These kids all come up on KTM's and Star swoops in like the Yankees and grabs them. And are they all killing it on Star? Theres been obvious sucess. But when you have a 20 rider 250 team you're going to have success. Throw enough darts you'll get a bullseye. If you figure out the actual percentage they're hitting with these guys I'd wager it aint great. And if you dont produce almost immediately on Star, you're gone.
The difference is that there have been several clear successes with Star’s program. I can’t think of any champions past or present that came through KTM’s amateur to pro program.
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