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I think people would be just as pissed if RT had sued the track and it stayed open.
We're pissed over the lawsuit, period. Dude showed up and let his kid race a bunch of motos, presumably while hundreds of other people did the same thing, and then sued when his kid crashed during the last moto of the day.
If RT and the other "witnesses" are such experts on track negligence why didn't they load the fuck up and go home?
Was the track not negligent until RT's kid got whiskey throttle and flew off the berm? How can that be?
If that berm was so obviously "negligent" then how come there weren't other major injuries and lawsuits due to it?
Screw Rich Taylor. Dude is a cancer to this sport and shouldn't be allowed at another motocross track ever.
Whoa Matthes, I’m a fan, but to say you haven’t gotten a call about this is an outright lie. I tuned in after this thread brokeout just to hear if anyone would bring it up, and they certainly did. your response was pretty much the same as it is on here, “youre not into cancel culture, but if an individual chooses not to purchase eks because of this, you get it”
Maybe I’m misunderstanding your last sentence?
I don't believe that was a call, that was me addressing it during the EKS segment.
So suing a track isn't trying to ruin someone's livelihood?
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"others" testified that it was unsafe.
Yeah, uhuh. I can't roll my eyes any harder at this.
Edit: Honestly should have just stayed away. There's nothing to gain here. There's no "new" information that is going to change the perception.
lol, trying to cancel RT. Many took RT’s side, saying it was the insurance company behind the lawsuit and the track must’ve been dangerous. Then videos and pictures were posted of the dangerous berm, the same obstacle that is on every track in existence for the most part, and people were like “yeah that’s not so dangerous”. Then RT comes out with a statement that confirmed it was him himself who filed the lawsuit, not the insurance company. So yeah many say that it’s disgusting that a person that makes his living off the industry sued a facility that people using his product utilize. They recommend consider other options when it comes to goggles. Don’t really consider that cancel culture, more like making you aware who you are spending your money with. But maybe you can tell us the part of the story we don’t know, I’ll hang up and listen…
This is a ploy to get me to go back and listen to older shows and boost your viewership, I’m onto you
As I was reading all this go down I just got a notification that the Moto 60 show is live on YouTube 😅
I appreciate Matthes commenting and I don't think he's trying to fool anyone. I think Matthes heard Rich Taylor's side of the story first, and they are friends, so that's the version crystalized in his mind as truth.
It's uncomfortable to confront facts that de-stabilize pre-conceived truths.
It's reminiscent to when I learned the man I thought was my Dad wasn't actually my father and that my real Dad was Ronnie Mac.
Suing a track is like suing Coca-Cola for giving you diabetes.
Call in!!!!
Lung, I kind of arbitrarily chose your comment to quote, but no hate-coms here. Yours is a good base for discussion. I think there are some really great points on both sides of this argument. I think accidents happen, but I also think we should do our best to avoid them as much as possible. You mentioned experts. You're right that Rich Taylor, if he could do it over again, should have packed up and went home if it was that bad. HOWEVER, the track that is providing the place to race should absolutely be an expert in track safety. Motocross is dangerous. We all understand that, but that doesn't preclude the tracks from taking precautions to limit major injuries that could have been prevented with logical thinking ahead of time. I wasn't there, but it appears that this is the case in this situation. I think that two things can be true. The track can be negligent, AND RT and the rest of the people that day COULD have noticed the problem sooner and left. It's also important to realize that not everyone at the track on any given day has experience with safety. Therefore, it is absolutely the track's responsibility to limit dangers as much as possible. With all of that said, I do think that you and everyone else on this thread are entitled to their opinion on the matter, but I do tend to lean towards the Matthes way of thinking. I wish we wouldn't try to ruin someone's life the moment they do something we disagree with (RT, Bud Light, etc.). It's also my opinion that 75% of the people commenting in this thread would do the exact same thing RT did if they were faced with the same medical bills stemming from the same situation. Again though, just an opinion, not facts. No need to crucify me too.
Once my tacos are ready out of this food truck I’ll dial them and sit on hold.
I find the "it's about safety" arguments a little hard to accept when the settlement comes with the usual non disclosure agreements, no admission of fault, and the hope that the entire thing never goes public. That's what's most frustrating to me about it being an industry guy. He's got matthes on vital defending him.... if he wanted to make some big push to promote track safety he would have been well equipped to do it and likely could have done some real good. That's not what he did though......
Did you see the obstacle he got hurt on?
It was a berm. A plain old berm. You know..... like basically every motocross track in the world has.
The only negligence that took place here was RTs kid being out of control.
I'd love for someone to make it their personal crusade to promote track safety, but I don't think that's a prerequisite to filing a lawsuit in this case. Not his responsibility in my opinion.
I’m on hold!
That's why I say everyone should have their own opinion. It's just that. Luckily for you and I, our opinions don't matter! Hahaha.
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I think some folks in this thread are confused about the difference between “cancel culture” and “voting with your wallet.” They are not the same.
No hate coms and agree if a track does something egregious they should be sued. Leaving equipment on a track or track edge. Metal fence poles in or near the race surface. Something anyone that has been at a motocross would say “yeah that’s not right” go ahead and sue. But an elevated berm?? They might as well shut down Glen Helen, RT kid would not be here if he whisky throttled at the top of Mt St Helen’s. I’m sorry if I don’t see the other side of this situation but I just can’t see how this is a legitimate situation to have a lawsuit.
I tuned into the show late. I assume you did not get on air?
One of us needs to remember to call in and ask DV what he thinks about this.
I did, but didn’t get a whole lot in. I missed like 5 calls for work during the time and was getting blown up about a 6” line that burst on a Fire Sprinkler system that was dumping water in a Lowe’s so I didn’t get to make the points I wanted and ask the questions I had thought of. I initially asked about the other factors he alluded to in his post here, but I don’t remember much other than him saying it was “lawsuits” and the track playing victim because Swapmoto can get insurance. I wasn’t going to go on and motherfuck the guy, but I at least wanted some expansion about what the other factors were. Can’t say I waited on hold too long, maybe 7-8 minutes? Maybe someone else can call in next week with all the info in front of them and hash it out.
I’d pay money for Lungbutter to call in when he’s fired up.
I agree 100%. And unless I'm mistaken, it took place in the last moto of the day after he had already ridden it throughout the day with no issues. I tried to see the merit from RT's angle, but this one is all on the rider for losing control off a standard obstacle.
That being said, if Vital, Pulp, etc. want to keep taking sponsor dollars from EKS, then that's their choice. My choice is to keep enjoying these entertainment outlets, and if the time comes that I need goggles, then I'll most likely support a different brand because of this whole situation. But none of us are any holier than those who choose to support EKS.
The obstacle (a typical berm) was not unsafe. It's fine. I think from my perspective as someone who deals with safety/accident prevention off and on, it's the elevation of the berm. In other words, normally that berm is fine. However, IF there is an accident (throttle sticks, deegan pushes you wide, simple mistake, etc), it could go really bad. If I can put my 20/20 hindsight glasses on, you leave that turn natural with the terrain. From the photos I saw, that would make it an off-camber turn, something we've lost in motocross in the US. God forbid we have an off-camber that slows the riders down and increases overall skill. I don't think it was egregious. I just think it could have been avoided and it's a shame for everyone involved. I'm not trying to change your mind or anyone else's. Just explaining mine. Hopefully in the future some of these things can be avoided.
I think there’s a fine line between the two
Eks does something crappy, so you choose not to buy it - speaking with your wallet
Your buddy shows up at the track with his new eks brand goggles - you ask him why is he supporting the brand, he has no clue about the lawsuit, if he had known, he wouldn’t have bought them. By you educating him, are you speaking with your/his wallet, or are you supporting cancel culture?
If I was you, (and Matthes) I'd not even bother replying to these know-it-all losers.
Yeah they are. You sods just don't want the label.
Maybe the possibility of this only amuses me, but it would have been funny if he offered you the 100% goggles for calling in. 🙃
Anyways, sounds like you have a lot of work to do, good luck with the rest of your day.
edit....Just listening to your call now, very respectful conversation.
I don't know man.........................
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