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I'm just glad that he acknowledged it.
Now we can all move on from it till Mirtl and friend do their next hit piece.
If the apology was 100% his decision and something he felt strongly about then I’m good with it. Say your apology and let’s drop it and move on. If someone made him do it then they are just perpetuation the victim mentality that’s destroying this country. If you don’t like a word, treat it as worthless and inconsequential and that’s what it will be. If you treat it with a powerful reaction then you're giving it power over you.
No one publicly apologizes unless they are trying to save their image.
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I have a legitimate question here: Is the N-word as big a deal in other countries as it is in America?
I don't mean to excuse Jett's faux-pas of using the word, but maybe someone in Australia can chime in and let us know. It seems to me that this slur is way over-emphasized here in the USA because of our history of slavery and the general social stance on current-day race relations. We all agree that the N-word is universally forbidden in any context among white people, even though black people/ African Americans can throw it around carelessly.
Here in America, I would likely get reprimanded for uttering the word, even if I were reading from a book that had it in print, or referenced it as if it were a dictionary entry, which it is.
I'm just wondering if, from Jett's perspective, it isn't really as bad as everybody in the US thinks it is. Again, not condoning its use or giving Jett and excuse; I'm just wondering if maybe he didn't realize what a big deal it was when he was younger.
It’s not the same all over the world.
In some countries it depends on how you say it/use the word. I can’t believe the fuss about a kid saying it as a clear joke. Had he said it with rage and use it in a sentence like ”those god damn fing n*ggers” then I would understand the hatestorm.
Here in Sweden we have the native people simular to the inuits in Canada that is called Samer and live in the northern part of Sweden called Lappland.
Those people are often referred to as ”Lappar” from the name Lappland, but the correct term to use is Samer.
Those people are fine with being called Lappar and they call them self that as long as you use the name in a positive manner. But if you say ”those f-ing Lapps” it’s fround upon.
Just like black people call each other the N word without any problem.
As a non-American looking in at Jett’s semi-stupid joke from a teenager i don’t understand how people can take it so serious when it’s clearly no hate behind it.
But once again, I’m not American and have not grown up in your society, but as i said. Here in Sweden it’s more about the usage of some words than saying them at all.
I'm sure each of us have said things during our lifetime that we wouldn't say again.
I called Tim Mosely a poopy pants in the 5th grade. I thank God it isn't being spread all over the internets today. It could cost me a promotion.
Let’s be real though. Tim did be poopin’ his pants.
The problem is that people across the internet (specially kids/younger people in the gaming scene or on social media) these days use the word constantly to sound edgy. That doesn't necessary mean they're racist, they really think it's funny or some shit and sadly people can say anything on the internet and not get punished. So yes, it is a big problem that people say shit like that because they think it makes them more interesting/funny or something stupid like that, in the end though it just makes them look dumb af.
Anyways, probably the wrong topic for the moto forum haha.
"Just like black people call each other the N word without any problem."
There are two versions of the word, with two different meanings. The "er" version of the word is the bad one that's tied to the nasty origin, while the "a" version has become the "dude" "bro" version that blacks use to call each other. Jett used the bad "er" version of the word and combined it with another bad word. Even if Jett was young, joking, or didn't use the word in a nasty way, this doesn't give other kids a free pass to use it if they see their idol Jett Lawrence using it.
As a result, to apologize and send the message that it's not okay to say this word at any age or in any fashion, there were 2 entities that coordinated the apology delivery with Jett and Gypsy. "They" obviously thought it was serious enough that it needed to be addressed in a proper/public fashion.
Think about it, although none of you might think it's serious and it was just a young Jett joking around, there was a black guy who joined the conversation here and was hoping for Jett to apologize. My black friends and employees and they also agreed it's really bad to use the "er" version whereas the "a" version can be written off to listening to hip hop, but still shouldn't be used by non blacks. With that said, do the promoters/manufacturers/sponsors want Jett to be seen in a bad light (racism) by a large portion of society?? Absolutely not, so they did what they did to clear the air.
I have black friends, and adopted relatives that are black.
And i know the difference between N-ah and N-er, yet i hear people with that skin color use both of them in rap songs etc.
And as long as they use it when it suits them, it takes away the seriousness of it for me.
The same way as it’s not political correct to call our people Samer for Lappar according to the left side of people in Sweden, but the Samer call them self Lappar.
Sometimes i feel that people looking for things to get offended by instead of just shaking it off. My black friends are way less sensitive about some words and things that the white people rage about on their behalf.
But different country and different culture so i would never implement that logic to a country with different history regarding black people than what we have where i live. Just responding Falcon on how it works here and why some of us don’t react in the same way some of the Americans do.
Critical thinking, context, and nuance perception, have been conditioned out of American socialization. Intent requires too much Emotional Intelligence to grasp and hampers the ability to generate controversy. Ironically, people are concerned about "democracy" being under threat, but they don't actually understand why.
You are getting to the core of my problem with this word. I'd just as soon everybody forgets it and doesn't allow it to be such a powerful token of hatred. In a weird way, by making it such a taboo term, it is enshrined in power. It's just a word and should be treated as such. Don't use it in anger or to denigrate someone and you should be fine. (But, sadly, you cannot even reference it - just look at all the alternate spellings above to see how verboten it is. We can't even spell it out to identify the term.)
Exactly.
absolutely. society is turning cluster B and it's just as much about gaslighting and getting people to walk on eggshells as it is about actual justice or mutual respect or any of the other antiquated values that are merely espoused unidirectionally out of convenience in an attempt to manipulate the target audience(s). forcing otherwise rational people to despair through coerced acceptance that down is up and bitter is sweet is the end goal. sorry to get all woo woo but it's all connected.
I would never condone using that word to demean someone. But the extent of the aversion to anything that even remotely sounds like it - to the point of punishing someone for (correctly) using a Chinese word that sounds like it but is not it - can be, at least in some cases, pathological.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/usc-professor-placed-leave-black-214134519.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAMT6OhLZKhoixM_SKiPLCP_JfhHFq6z2kjhjuWHgBT-7ygycb8kIlH5aja_lyT-mhQXQxcmXV4FMhgHeTqj8nKRyUG9azCaIfAkJSL6EMNEJzM8XJRPdb6H_B-XaqYZfRJp_BKkPRFyXHBehoRYdoBiLj9nJWGCmJAAU2_kM8O3
That reminds me of an old episode of The Jeffersons, where the neighbor, Mr. Willis, was helping Wheezy with her acting or speaking skills (I think) and he kept telling her, "Bigger, bigger!" and George Jefferson busts through the front door yelling "What'd you call my wife, Honkey!" (Maybe it was Mr. Bentley)
Man, I loved the Jeffersons!
Pit Row
Regarding the discipline of the professor who used the Chinese word referenced in my previous post, Brian Leiter, a philosopher and law professor at Chicago clearly doesn’t think that all feelings of offence are worth acting on:
“In a normal academic environment, the Dean of the Business School would now be relieved of his duties for violating the academic freedom of one of his instructors and for poor judgment, and the students who leveled the frivolous complaint would be identified and disciplined. None of this will happen, but at least the Dean has been humiliated internationally for his stupidity.”
Tell us what you really think, Brian!
https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2020/09/theres-a-serious-problem-at-uscs-business-school.html
now yal see where deegs get his shit from 😂🙃
this whole thing with Jett is like when the bills drafted Josh Allen & ppl was digging up old tweets of him saying dumb shit & saying the n word & shit like tht when josh was like in high school , all is forgiving & we can just move on from this shit
So 4 pages and a week later and some of the members that raised hell in the dumgeoned thread that Jett needed to apologise haven't posted anything in this one.
How utterly unsurprising.
Do you expect them to say he should apologize again after he apologized or something?
I wasn't gonna keep this thread going but it seems to be doing that anyway haha
But I'll tell you my experiences. Growing up over here, I'd never heard the word in real anger, maybe in the movies by the cliched 'hillbilly' but it was mostly by the 'cool guys' from the movies and music.. So my friends and I would often say 'What up my..." or "sup..." We probably knew it would be frowned upon but considering the word we'd used before and still do was 'cunt' we didn't really see the big issue It wasn't until we became more aware of the history of the word that we realised the full weight of it and so we never use it anymore..
That's why I was understanding of Jett saying it when he was 14.. The other one was more of a disappointment but again young and ignorant and I could be misreading it, but it kinda looks like he knows he shouldn't be saying it so hopefully he gets in trouble at home if he says that stuff
Lol probably.
You might want to edit this post. I dont think ML likes that word even being spelled out with a # in it. I could be wrong. Wouldn't want you to get clipped though
I don’t know if its the same in Australia or not having never lived elsewhere. But its 100% a bad word and everyone knows it is. I feel like based on what i have seen in movies and TV. Its very much the same between countries.
My kids know its one word they can’t say under any circumstances. Not just because its bad. But because if the wrong person heard it they could react in a way that the kids would quickly learn why its not a word to use. I figured being just bad would make it more tempting to say. But letting them know that some people might be hurt by the word and react violently hopefully stops them. Atleast publicly.
That said I grew up around / went to school with countless people who said it because it was a forbidden word and that was ‘cool’. Seeing white people use it always felt cringe to me. They were typically kids who wanted to be black. Loved hip hop. Dressed like ‘gangsters’ and tried to talk like them which is just cringey snd awkward from a scrawny white kid wearing clothes 10 times too big. I liked that culture better than eshays though. Hip hop was cool atleast. But when I saw how awkward they looked I knew if I tried it that i would look the same or worse.
Jett saying it in the video just looked like a kid being allowed to use a bad word. Doesn’t come across as racist and not directed at anyone. The way its edited i can see Mirtl holding the camera getting him to say it. But without more footage god only knows what the context is.
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