It's official: DeCoster to KTM

LB wrote:

Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop...

Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop and the bike he was riding had a much different sound than the one Mike Alessi rides.
Here's a story for you and take it how you want to, but when Mike Alessi was in Europe Mike and Anthony were riding together and Anthony's bike was much faster and pulled stronger. When Alessi asked to ride Cairioli bike, Anthony (or should I say his team) wouldn't let Mike ride his bike.
It's legal to change the displacement in Europe, but it's not legal to change the displacement here in the USA. So it's not like KTM is doing anything wrong if they did make their 350 into a .....?, but it would hurt them through their marketing if anyone knew these.
I'm sure you know the sound of Mike Alessi's bike by now and let me just say this, Anthony Carioli bike sounds nothing like it. It's has a much deeper and throatier sound than Mike's. Maybe this is the reason these two riders have had much different results through out the year.

the_wood109 wrote:

So, do you think that KTM is telling riders which bike they have to ride, or MA chose the 350?

DanDunes818 wrote:

The_wood I know you're asking LB this question but I think Mikey was signed to ride the 350. Period. Just my opinion of course..Just from what...

The_wood I know you're asking LB this question but I think Mikey was signed to ride the 350. Period. Just my opinion of course..Just from what I've heard from Tony A (in interviews) it sure sounds like that. I also think what Mikey's riding is a 350.

In the GP's w/TC and Rui I'm not sure what cc bike they're riding.

Jefro98 wrote:

Official KTM press conference at Lierop: Roger DeCoster to KTM. KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger...

Official KTM press conference at Lierop:



Roger DeCoster to KTM.

KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger DeCoster is the man to help them with that.

DanDunes818 wrote:

When I used to drink my drink was Red Bull and Jager on the rocks so I think a Red Bull Jager team would work out...

When I used to drink my drink was Red Bull and Jager on the rocks so I think a Red Bull Jager team would work out just fine..lol As long as the riders don't actually drink it.

the_wood109 wrote:

My opinion has always been "why would he pick that bike if it was so slow?" I was asking LB, but I always appreciate a logical...

My opinion has always been "why would he pick that bike if it was so slow?" I was asking LB, but I always appreciate a logical perspective. I started changing the way I thought about the situation after the Cairoli interview. He was seriously thinking about riding a 450 at the MXoN. Proof is hard to come by on either side of the table...I don't think that anyone will be fully convinced unless they see a picture of both jugs side by side. I'm down with some good benchracing, and I also like hearing what guys like LB have to say.

the_wood109 wrote:

My opinion has always been "why would he pick that bike if it was so slow?" I was asking LB, but I always appreciate a logical...

My opinion has always been "why would he pick that bike if it was so slow?" I was asking LB, but I always appreciate a logical perspective. I started changing the way I thought about the situation after the Cairoli interview. He was seriously thinking about riding a 450 at the MXoN. Proof is hard to come by on either side of the table...I don't think that anyone will be fully convinced unless they see a picture of both jugs side by side. I'm down with some good benchracing, and I also like hearing what guys like LB have to say.

cpj36 wrote:

When Tony A was asked on the podcast if they would rather ride the 450 he said that's up to KTM. Maybe KTM was really only...

When Tony A was asked on the podcast if they would rather ride the 450 he said that's up to KTM.

Maybe KTM was really only considering calling the bike AC's been riding a 450 at Colorado. That bike doesn't look too bad compared to 450's and when he ran good at Altitude it would beeven more obvious it's not a 350. Either that or is under powered, and if it's under powered there it's under powered everywhere.

Jefro98 wrote:

Official KTM press conference at Lierop: Roger DeCoster to KTM. KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger...

Official KTM press conference at Lierop:



Roger DeCoster to KTM.

KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger DeCoster is the man to help them with that.

adamdf wrote:

hmm, interesting question, though i doubt it.....lets not forget mike did great at Hangtown under US rules

adamdf wrote:

hmm, interesting question, though i doubt it.....lets not forget mike did great at Hangtown under US rules

cpj36 wrote:

Depending on conditions the 350 is better at some tracks. Look at Southwick too, short start from the inside into 180 turn.

Team Sakai Racing wrote:

maybe you guy's should listen to the MA interview right before decoster's as he clearly states that he and dad have a agreement about his future...

maybe you guy's should listen to the MA interview right before decoster's as he clearly states that he and dad have a agreement about his future and MA sounded like he's seperated Family from racing finally.

RMZ819 wrote:

Tony and a agreement does not mean shit. The dude still has the ability to fuck everything up.

Crash82 wrote:

Nope Mike will do great, Tony raised a champion, now lets discuss your father because he messed you up.

DanDunes818 wrote:

Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point...

Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point be "sold on the 350 in the 450 class". Or you don't think Gp's is the top level.

I'm (especially after watching Cairolis 350(?) at Lierop this morning) not convinced that his bike is a 350. That thing was just tracking and was walking away from all the 450's in the whooped out beach sand of Lierop . There's very few deeper , rougher , and more power robbing tracks in the world than Lierop and the 350 smoked the field. The 350 was even 1st and 2nd in moto 2.

LB wrote:

Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop...

Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop and the bike he was riding had a much different sound than the one Mike Alessi rides.
Here's a story for you and take it how you want to, but when Mike Alessi was in Europe Mike and Anthony were riding together and Anthony's bike was much faster and pulled stronger. When Alessi asked to ride Cairioli bike, Anthony (or should I say his team) wouldn't let Mike ride his bike.
It's legal to change the displacement in Europe, but it's not legal to change the displacement here in the USA. So it's not like KTM is doing anything wrong if they did make their 350 into a .....?, but it would hurt them through their marketing if anyone knew these.
I'm sure you know the sound of Mike Alessi's bike by now and let me just say this, Anthony Carioli bike sounds nothing like it. It's has a much deeper and throatier sound than Mike's. Maybe this is the reason these two riders have had much different results through out the year.

the_wood109 wrote:

So, do you think that KTM is telling riders which bike they have to ride, or MA chose the 350?

themrtoad wrote:

Do you make engine diagnosis by phone as well??? How the h-ll can you tell the size of Cairolis engine by watching a video? Just listening...

Do you make engine diagnosis by phone as well???

How the h-ll can you tell the size of Cairolis engine by watching a video? Just listening to someones voice on video/phone/irl makes a huge difference.

I've seen and heard his bike irl and it sounds very different from the 450's. I could however not tell that differnce by watching a video.

The soundlevels are different in GP's and AMA nationals, so they should sound different.

I don't know if the use the same videocameras either, but obviously you're the expert in that area...

cpj36 wrote:

Of course you can't tell, you don't know as much about MX as LB, that's why you think AC is really on a 350 even though...

Of course you can't tell, you don't know as much about MX as LB, that's why you think AC is really on a 350 even though he doesn't have to be. Either that or blinded by the sun shining out AC's ass.

Crash82 wrote:

When the Alessi's were out at Millcreek, Mike was on the 450 and looked as if he was using everything it had. Either way if Mike...

When the Alessi's were out at Millcreek, Mike was on the 450 and looked as if he was using everything it had. Either way if Mike was hired to ride the 350 and sell bikes he giving it all he's got and not throwing anyone under the bus. He's 4th in the points on a 350 and hasn't had the best of luck this year. It's a new model and a new team, he will be up there next year for sure.

Crash82 wrote:

When the Alessi's were out at Millcreek, Mike was on the 450 and looked as if he was using everything it had. Either way if Mike...

When the Alessi's were out at Millcreek, Mike was on the 450 and looked as if he was using everything it had. Either way if Mike was hired to ride the 350 and sell bikes he giving it all he's got and not throwing anyone under the bus. He's 4th in the points on a 350 and hasn't had the best of luck this year. It's a new model and a new team, he will be up there next year for sure.

GIwasB4 wrote:

I don't believe Roger D, Reed, Stewart & Alessi can co-exist on the same team.

themrtoad wrote:

Do you make engine diagnosis by phone as well??? How the h-ll can you tell the size of Cairolis engine by watching a video? Just listening...

Do you make engine diagnosis by phone as well???

How the h-ll can you tell the size of Cairolis engine by watching a video? Just listening to someones voice on video/phone/irl makes a huge difference.

I've seen and heard his bike irl and it sounds very different from the 450's. I could however not tell that differnce by watching a video.

The soundlevels are different in GP's and AMA nationals, so they should sound different.

I don't know if the use the same videocameras either, but obviously you're the expert in that area...

cpj36 wrote:

Of course you can't tell, you don't know as much about MX as LB, that's why you think AC is really on a 350 even though...

Of course you can't tell, you don't know as much about MX as LB, that's why you think AC is really on a 350 even though he doesn't have to be. Either that or blinded by the sun shining out AC's ass.

themrtoad wrote:

Yeah and my dad is stronger than your dad... You don't knw what kind of information I have about MX. I attacked your idol LB because...

Yeah and my dad is stronger than your dad...

You don't knw what kind of information I have about MX. I attacked your idol LB because he claimed he could tell the difference in cc from a video on internet. If he knows so much about engines that was a stupid thing to say.

I didn't comment on his side of what happened between Alessi/Cairoli/KTM when Mike was in Europe testing and training. I heard different stories of what happened and don't know which one to believe. Let's just say there's another version being telled by a lot of people over here...

As for the personal insults you wrote I guess they make me look stupid and you appears to be very mature and intelligent!

Crash82 wrote:

When the Alessi's were out at Millcreek, Mike was on the 450 and looked as if he was using everything it had. Either way if Mike...

When the Alessi's were out at Millcreek, Mike was on the 450 and looked as if he was using everything it had. Either way if Mike was hired to ride the 350 and sell bikes he giving it all he's got and not throwing anyone under the bus. He's 4th in the points on a 350 and hasn't had the best of luck this year. It's a new model and a new team, he will be up there next year for sure.

Crash82 wrote:

He's fourth in the points on a new bike and a new team, new wrench, coming off 3 really bad injuries in a row, he's also...

He's fourth in the points on a new bike and a new team, new wrench, coming off 3 really bad injuries in a row, he's also going up against Dungey with Goose and bike that has been dialed in for quite sometime, he'll get it together, but i bet you he won't quit, you're going to eat those words.

Crash82 wrote:

He's fourth in the points on a new bike and a new team, new wrench, coming off 3 really bad injuries in a row, he's also...

He's fourth in the points on a new bike and a new team, new wrench, coming off 3 really bad injuries in a row, he's also going up against Dungey with Goose and bike that has been dialed in for quite sometime, he'll get it together, but i bet you he won't quit, you're going to eat those words.

cpj36 wrote:

LB is far from my idol. You can tell a lot from a video actually and TV is what most of these posts and opinions are...

LB is far from my idol. You can tell a lot from a video actually and TV is what most of these posts and opinions are based on anyway. It's real similar to the way the Euro guys watch Barcia on TV and come to the conclusion that he would have nothing for Roczen, a kid that was about 8 sec a lap off his pace 2 years ago. Or how Anstie was a guaranteed top 5 when he showed up. Or Searle, or Tyla. If first hand experience is required to post this place would be dead.

From a video most of us can easily see the answers to never ending debates on here like why 250's can run 450 times, where the 350 is competitive, why Mike gets shitty starts, etc. Of course it helps when Mike even says what we're thinking.

You may be right but Mike's comments, his competitors and guys like LB and DC all question AC's bike, and why not? It's perfectly within the rules to run more than 350cc.

BTW, since you have information, do you have any information as to why AC was considering a 450 for Colorado? I keep asking but nobody answers.

cpj36 wrote:

LB is far from my idol. You can tell a lot from a video actually and TV is what most of these posts and opinions are...

LB is far from my idol. You can tell a lot from a video actually and TV is what most of these posts and opinions are based on anyway. It's real similar to the way the Euro guys watch Barcia on TV and come to the conclusion that he would have nothing for Roczen, a kid that was about 8 sec a lap off his pace 2 years ago. Or how Anstie was a guaranteed top 5 when he showed up. Or Searle, or Tyla. If first hand experience is required to post this place would be dead.

From a video most of us can easily see the answers to never ending debates on here like why 250's can run 450 times, where the 350 is competitive, why Mike gets shitty starts, etc. Of course it helps when Mike even says what we're thinking.

You may be right but Mike's comments, his competitors and guys like LB and DC all question AC's bike, and why not? It's perfectly within the rules to run more than 350cc.

BTW, since you have information, do you have any information as to why AC was considering a 450 for Colorado? I keep asking but nobody answers.

cpj36 wrote:

LB is far from my idol. You can tell a lot from a video actually and TV is what most of these posts and opinions are...

LB is far from my idol. You can tell a lot from a video actually and TV is what most of these posts and opinions are based on anyway. It's real similar to the way the Euro guys watch Barcia on TV and come to the conclusion that he would have nothing for Roczen, a kid that was about 8 sec a lap off his pace 2 years ago. Or how Anstie was a guaranteed top 5 when he showed up. Or Searle, or Tyla. If first hand experience is required to post this place would be dead.

From a video most of us can easily see the answers to never ending debates on here like why 250's can run 450 times, where the 350 is competitive, why Mike gets shitty starts, etc. Of course it helps when Mike even says what we're thinking.

You may be right but Mike's comments, his competitors and guys like LB and DC all question AC's bike, and why not? It's perfectly within the rules to run more than 350cc.

BTW, since you have information, do you have any information as to why AC was considering a 450 for Colorado? I keep asking but nobody answers.

alphado wrote:

What happens to Casey Lytle?

Crash82 wrote:

He's fourth in the points on a new bike and a new team, new wrench, coming off 3 really bad injuries in a row, he's also...

He's fourth in the points on a new bike and a new team, new wrench, coming off 3 really bad injuries in a row, he's also going up against Dungey with Goose and bike that has been dialed in for quite sometime, he'll get it together, but i bet you he won't quit, you're going to eat those words.

KAWboy14 wrote:

the only way allessi will ever win is if he dumps his dad and hires some tru professionals and learns to have fun again racing. the...

the only way allessi will ever win is if he dumps his dad and hires some tru professionals and learns to have fun again racing.

the bike he is riding has nothing to do with him not winning.......that kid with his head screwed on straight could win on a rupp minibike!

MX Sports Medicine wrote:

[b]You don't knw what kind of information I have about MX. I attacked your idol LB because he claimed he could tell the difference in cc...

You don't knw what kind of information I have about MX. I attacked your idol LB because he claimed he could tell the difference in cc from a video on internet. If he knows so much about engines that was a stupid thing to say.

From the sound, you can tell the 350 from a 450 and for that matter from a 250 as well.
People who say you cant are the same people who would ask, " is that a 125 or 250" in the good days. Tune in.

Adam_Collins wrote:

Then who is going to run Suzuki?

Adam_Collins wrote:

Then who is going to run Suzuki?

Sondy132001 wrote:

I don't know for sure, I heard someone who's been with the company several years, I have my guesses but don't want to start a rumor...

I don't know for sure, I heard someone who's been with the company several years, I have my guesses but don't want to start a rumor and have it bite me in the ass like usual. =)

S