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Silly Season: What If?
09/04/10
written by Brent Stallo

We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to last round of the FIM World Championships in Belgium and quite a few rumors are beginning to surface around KTM and their new team for 2011. We’ll start by saying that in NO way, shape or form can we verify any of the following rumors, but it does have us asking the question “What if?”

Rumor is Red Bull will be pulling out of their sponsorship contract with Honda in 2011, and since they will no longer support any series’ next year (they will also be pulling out of the MXoN in 2011) that they will be joining KTM and, for lack of better words, be buying up the biggest and best talent in the land. Rumors are already starting of the hiring of James Stewart and Ryan Dungey, and we’ve also heard rumors of Chad Reed and Christophe Pourcel joining the team.

While we’re sure all of the above won’t land on KTM’s new star studded team, if Red Bull does in fact shift their support KTM’s way, you have to ask yourself “What if?”
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David Izer wrote:
From Vurb: Silly Season: What If? 09/04/10 written by Brent Stallo We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to...
From Vurb:



Silly Season: What If?
09/04/10
written by Brent Stallo

We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to last round of the FIM World Championships in Belgium and quite a few rumors are beginning to surface around KTM and their new team for 2011. We’ll start by saying that in NO way, shape or form can we verify any of the following rumors, but it does have us asking the question “What if?”

Rumor is Red Bull will be pulling out of their sponsorship contract with Honda in 2011, and since they will no longer support any series’ next year (they will also be pulling out of the MXoN in 2011) that they will be joining KTM and, for lack of better words, be buying up the biggest and best talent in the land. Rumors are already starting of the hiring of James Stewart and Ryan Dungey, and we’ve also heard rumors of Chad Reed and Christophe Pourcel joining the team.

While we’re sure all of the above won’t land on KTM’s new star studded team, if Red Bull does in fact shift their support KTM’s way, you have to ask yourself “What if?”
if they got all of them, instead of "what if" it would be....."by how much"?
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David Izer wrote:
From Vurb: Silly Season: What If? 09/04/10 written by Brent Stallo We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to...
From Vurb:



Silly Season: What If?
09/04/10
written by Brent Stallo

We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to last round of the FIM World Championships in Belgium and quite a few rumors are beginning to surface around KTM and their new team for 2011. We’ll start by saying that in NO way, shape or form can we verify any of the following rumors, but it does have us asking the question “What if?”

Rumor is Red Bull will be pulling out of their sponsorship contract with Honda in 2011, and since they will no longer support any series’ next year (they will also be pulling out of the MXoN in 2011) that they will be joining KTM and, for lack of better words, be buying up the biggest and best talent in the land. Rumors are already starting of the hiring of James Stewart and Ryan Dungey, and we’ve also heard rumors of Chad Reed and Christophe Pourcel joining the team.

While we’re sure all of the above won’t land on KTM’s new star studded team, if Red Bull does in fact shift their support KTM’s way, you have to ask yourself “What if?”
it may be the jaeger-bomb team?
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GIwasB4 9/6/2010 3:01pm
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Can you imagine the hot Jaeger-bomb girls?
I like the whole premise, everyone on orange, 2 stroke or 4, pick your flavor.
No red, yellow, green or blue bikes anywhere. Isn't it about time for Yamaha to change their color anyway?

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GIwasB4 wrote:
Can you imagine the hot Jaeger-bomb girls? I like the whole premise, everyone on orange, 2 stroke or 4, pick your flavor. No red, yellow, green...
Can you imagine the hot Jaeger-bomb girls?
I like the whole premise, everyone on orange, 2 stroke or 4, pick your flavor.
No red, yellow, green or blue bikes anywhere. Isn't it about time for Yamaha to change their color anyway?
HA!
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LB wrote:
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop...
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop and the bike he was riding had a much different sound than the one Mike Alessi rides.
Here's a story for you and take it how you want to, but when Mike Alessi was in Europe Mike and Anthony were riding together and Anthony's bike was much faster and pulled stronger. When Alessi asked to ride Cairioli bike, Anthony (or should I say his team) wouldn't let Mike ride his bike.
It's legal to change the displacement in Europe, but it's not legal to change the displacement here in the USA. So it's not like KTM is doing anything wrong if they did make their 350 into a .....?, but it would hurt them through their marketing if anyone knew these.
I'm sure you know the sound of Mike Alessi's bike by now and let me just say this, Anthony Carioli bike sounds nothing like it. It's has a much deeper and throatier sound than Mike's. Maybe this is the reason these two riders have had much different results through out the year.
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WHAT DO YOU KNOW BUDDY??



hehehehe....
wayyyy more then most of of us on this forum including me
aFACEdismembered 9/6/2010 3:18pm
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Jefro98 wrote:
Official KTM press conference at Lierop: Roger DeCoster to KTM. KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger...
Official KTM press conference at Lierop:



Roger DeCoster to KTM.

KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger DeCoster is the man to help them with that.
de Carli merged with KTM after Yamaha pulled their support for the team last year. I kind of see that team as de Carli KTM for Tony and Red Bull KTM for everyone else. A lot of those sponsors stayed with Tony. Red Bull was already there but I think Scorpion Bay and Pro Grip were part of the merger. Anyone know? All that would do is free up money in other areas... like to help make a US return.
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GIwasB4 wrote:
Can you imagine the hot Jaeger-bomb girls? I like the whole premise, everyone on orange, 2 stroke or 4, pick your flavor. No red, yellow, green...
Can you imagine the hot Jaeger-bomb girls?
I like the whole premise, everyone on orange, 2 stroke or 4, pick your flavor.
No red, yellow, green or blue bikes anywhere. Isn't it about time for Yamaha to change their color anyway?
KAWboy14 wrote:
HA!
Seriously, we deal with the Red Bull/KTM taking over the world because Suzuki, Honda & Kawasaki refuse to make 2 strokes and have to cut back because of the depression. I see Yamaha shaking it up with a magenta colored line of bikes and keeping the YZ 125 & 250. They are always cutting edge.
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David Izer wrote:
From Vurb: Silly Season: What If? 09/04/10 written by Brent Stallo We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to...
From Vurb:



Silly Season: What If?
09/04/10
written by Brent Stallo

We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to last round of the FIM World Championships in Belgium and quite a few rumors are beginning to surface around KTM and their new team for 2011. We’ll start by saying that in NO way, shape or form can we verify any of the following rumors, but it does have us asking the question “What if?”

Rumor is Red Bull will be pulling out of their sponsorship contract with Honda in 2011, and since they will no longer support any series’ next year (they will also be pulling out of the MXoN in 2011) that they will be joining KTM and, for lack of better words, be buying up the biggest and best talent in the land. Rumors are already starting of the hiring of James Stewart and Ryan Dungey, and we’ve also heard rumors of Chad Reed and Christophe Pourcel joining the team.

While we’re sure all of the above won’t land on KTM’s new star studded team, if Red Bull does in fact shift their support KTM’s way, you have to ask yourself “What if?”
KAWboy14 wrote:
it may be the jaeger-bomb team?
haha lmao, nice one, that was good...
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Dobermann 9/6/2010 3:34pm
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It is possible that many people staff follow DeCoster! ... Gosselar follows him...;-)
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If the 350 starts winning outdoors they will need to serve crow in the L&M hospitality area...
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David Izer wrote:
From Vurb: Silly Season: What If? 09/04/10 written by Brent Stallo We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to...
From Vurb:



Silly Season: What If?
09/04/10
written by Brent Stallo

We’ve got the Vurb Euro Team out in force at Lierop for the second to last round of the FIM World Championships in Belgium and quite a few rumors are beginning to surface around KTM and their new team for 2011. We’ll start by saying that in NO way, shape or form can we verify any of the following rumors, but it does have us asking the question “What if?”

Rumor is Red Bull will be pulling out of their sponsorship contract with Honda in 2011, and since they will no longer support any series’ next year (they will also be pulling out of the MXoN in 2011) that they will be joining KTM and, for lack of better words, be buying up the biggest and best talent in the land. Rumors are already starting of the hiring of James Stewart and Ryan Dungey, and we’ve also heard rumors of Chad Reed and Christophe Pourcel joining the team.

While we’re sure all of the above won’t land on KTM’s new star studded team, if Red Bull does in fact shift their support KTM’s way, you have to ask yourself “What if?”

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GIwasB4 9/6/2010 3:48pm
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Dobermann wrote:
It is possible that many people staff follow DeCoster! ... Gosselar follows him...;-)
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
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GIwasB4 wrote:
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD...
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
Hm the last race?
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Sounds like the Redbull move could make sense.. Obviously they support the GP teams.. But also look at the success for their F1 team, its incredible. This seems right up their street to pick up the under dog brand and bring them to the top. Would be a much more exciting proposition than sponsoring factory Honda! Plus both European brands.. This could get interesting!
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GIwasB4 9/6/2010 3:59pm
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GIwasB4 wrote:
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD...
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
johansen wrote:
Hm the last race?
That was not a mechanical related DNF, that was crash related. BIG DIFFERENCE.
The mechanic cannot control rider crash damage, he can midigate it, he cannot be held responsible for it.
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Where is KTM getting all the money from to buy top riders, team managers and do new tooling for new bikes when just a short year...
Where is KTM getting all the money from to buy top riders, team managers and do new tooling for new bikes when just a short year ago they were cutting back due to the recession ?
They're gangster like that.
Maybe they started bagging crack like Raekwon.
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GIwasB4 wrote:
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD...
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
johansen wrote:
Hm the last race?
GIwasB4 wrote:
That was not a mechanical related DNF, that was crash related. BIG DIFFERENCE. The mechanic cannot control rider crash damage, he can midigate it, he cannot...
That was not a mechanical related DNF, that was crash related. BIG DIFFERENCE.
The mechanic cannot control rider crash damage, he can midigate it, he cannot be held responsible for it.
Ricky had a shock collar fail in Supercross, but you certainly cant blame Goose on that one. It was a simple part failure.

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GIwasB4 9/6/2010 4:29pm
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Correct, so when did Goose actually have a DNF in his career?
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as far as people following Roger, from Pit Bits:


"With Roger (and potentially some other staff from the team) on the way out, you have to wonder how that will affect team chemistry for the Rockstar Makita Suzuki crew."
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GIwasB4 wrote:
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD...
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
Who said dungey was staying at Suzuki? And how do you know he was under appreciated by his former riders? Was he not paid?
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GIwasB4 wrote:
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD...
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
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GIwasB4 wrote:
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD...
I'm not sure what people staff follow Roger D, but Goose is going no where. He has his sugar daddy to retirement in the other RD. When their done, you'll see KTM take over the world.

Seriously on Goose, the guy has had how many mechanical DNF's with a bike? I can't actually think of any at the moment. He is way under appreciated by the champions he has helped produce.
bobby397 wrote:
Who said dungey was staying at Suzuki? And how do you know he was under appreciated by his former riders? Was he not paid?
Of course he was well paid dumbass, I am talking about accolades within the industry.
See Bobbym for a word beating.
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Do you make engine diagnosis by phone as well??? How the h-ll can you tell the size of Cairolis engine by watching a video? Just listening...
Do you make engine diagnosis by phone as well???

How the h-ll can you tell the size of Cairolis engine by watching a video? Just listening to someones voice on video/phone/irl makes a huge difference.

I've seen and heard his bike irl and it sounds very different from the 450's. I could however not tell that differnce by watching a video.

The soundlevels are different in GP's and AMA nationals, so they should sound different.

I don't know if the use the same videocameras either, but obviously you're the expert in that area...
Of course you can't tell, you don't know as much about MX as LB, that's why you think AC is really on a 350 even though he doesn't have to be. Either that or blinded by the sun shining out AC's ass.
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Jefro98 wrote:
Official KTM press conference at Lierop: Roger DeCoster to KTM. KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger...
Official KTM press conference at Lierop:



Roger DeCoster to KTM.

KTM wants the same succes in the states as they have in Europe and believe Roger DeCoster is the man to help them with that.
When I used to drink my drink was Red Bull and Jager on the rocks so I think a Red Bull Jager team would work out just fine..lol As long as the riders don't actually drink it.
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LB wrote:
You forgot Natan Ramsey won numorus 250F Supercross races in 2005 & 2006. How about the year Grant Langston and Ryan Hughes went 1st and 2nd...
You forgot Natan Ramsey won numorus 250F Supercross races in 2005 & 2006.

How about the year Grant Langston and Ryan Hughes went 1st and 2nd in 2003 125 series, Langston won the Championship that year giving KTM their only National Championship to date. Yes, KTM was close through the Lites Supercross series winning many races, but as you posted, the closest KTM ever came to winning a Supercross title was when Josh Hansen tied Langston for the Championship and Langston took it with 1 more main event win.

2003 thru 2006 was the strongest KTM has ever been in the USA. All of this winning was done in the 125/250F classes.
2011 could be the return of KTM to it's winning ways. They're going to have some really good riders next year and their 250F is really good, so were going to have to wait and see if KTM can regain that Championship momentum. Roger DeCoster is a great Team Manager, so it was a good move on KTM part to put him in charge.
I'm personally not sold on the 350 in the 450 class. Non-pro riders love the 350 because the 450 is a lot of motorcycle for the normal racer, but a top level professional needs as much power as possible because they can use it. Just like this years Outdoor races, there will be good tracks for the 350 and there will be bad tracks for the 350. But having it's good and bad points, not to sure if the 350 will be able to help a rider put himself into a good position to win a Championship.
But like I said, we will have to wait and see. Good Luck KTM and RD.
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Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point...
Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point be "sold on the 350 in the 450 class". Or you don't think Gp's is the top level.

I'm (especially after watching Cairolis 350(?) at Lierop this morning) not convinced that his bike is a 350. That thing was just tracking and was walking away from all the 450's in the whooped out beach sand of Lierop . There's very few deeper , rougher , and more power robbing tracks in the world than Lierop and the 350 smoked the field. The 350 was even 1st and 2nd in moto 2.

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Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop...
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop and the bike he was riding had a much different sound than the one Mike Alessi rides.
Here's a story for you and take it how you want to, but when Mike Alessi was in Europe Mike and Anthony were riding together and Anthony's bike was much faster and pulled stronger. When Alessi asked to ride Cairioli bike, Anthony (or should I say his team) wouldn't let Mike ride his bike.
It's legal to change the displacement in Europe, but it's not legal to change the displacement here in the USA. So it's not like KTM is doing anything wrong if they did make their 350 into a .....?, but it would hurt them through their marketing if anyone knew these.
I'm sure you know the sound of Mike Alessi's bike by now and let me just say this, Anthony Carioli bike sounds nothing like it. It's has a much deeper and throatier sound than Mike's. Maybe this is the reason these two riders have had much different results through out the year.
So, do you think that KTM is telling riders which bike they have to ride, or MA chose the 350?
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ok, I just cant get my mind around this cc conspiracy theory. Ok so the limit on cc's is 450. KTM thinks that undersizing their engine will lighten the bike and give it more managable power. Now people are saying "no way that bike is only 350cc, its at least a blah blah blah. Here is what Im having trouble with. KTM no doubt tested alot during development of this new bike. If they ever had any thought that maybe they would be too far down on power that they would need to upsize it, dont you think they would just crank it up to a 375, 400, 415 etc and then market the bike as that size? In the long run, what Carioli, Alessi, Bubba, Reed or any of them guys does on the bike is pale in comparison to what real world weekend racers do on it. If Tony goes out and kills it on a bike that is thought to be a 350 but is really a 400, then KTM sells a ton of em initially and then Joe racers go out and get killed by a bunch of 450s, then what has KTM really accomplished? I really honestly think that the bike is a 350, there really isnt any reason for it not to be, if they needed it to be a 400 then they would have made it a 400 to begin with.
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Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point...
Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point be "sold on the 350 in the 450 class". Or you don't think Gp's is the top level.

I'm (especially after watching Cairolis 350(?) at Lierop this morning) not convinced that his bike is a 350. That thing was just tracking and was walking away from all the 450's in the whooped out beach sand of Lierop . There's very few deeper , rougher , and more power robbing tracks in the world than Lierop and the 350 smoked the field. The 350 was even 1st and 2nd in moto 2.

LB wrote:
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop...
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop and the bike he was riding had a much different sound than the one Mike Alessi rides.
Here's a story for you and take it how you want to, but when Mike Alessi was in Europe Mike and Anthony were riding together and Anthony's bike was much faster and pulled stronger. When Alessi asked to ride Cairioli bike, Anthony (or should I say his team) wouldn't let Mike ride his bike.
It's legal to change the displacement in Europe, but it's not legal to change the displacement here in the USA. So it's not like KTM is doing anything wrong if they did make their 350 into a .....?, but it would hurt them through their marketing if anyone knew these.
I'm sure you know the sound of Mike Alessi's bike by now and let me just say this, Anthony Carioli bike sounds nothing like it. It's has a much deeper and throatier sound than Mike's. Maybe this is the reason these two riders have had much different results through out the year.
the_wood109 wrote:
So, do you think that KTM is telling riders which bike they have to ride, or MA chose the 350?
The_wood I know you're asking LB this question but I think Mikey was signed to ride the 350. Period. Just my opinion of course..Just from what I've heard from Tony A (in interviews) it sure sounds like that. I also think what Mikey's riding is a 350.

In the GP's w/TC and Rui I'm not sure what cc bike they're riding.

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cpj36 9/6/2010 7:31pm
9/6/2010 7:31pm Edited Date/Time 9/6/2010 7:39pm
hartebreak wrote:
ok, I just cant get my mind around this cc conspiracy theory. Ok so the limit on cc's is 450. KTM thinks that undersizing their engine...
ok, I just cant get my mind around this cc conspiracy theory. Ok so the limit on cc's is 450. KTM thinks that undersizing their engine will lighten the bike and give it more managable power. Now people are saying "no way that bike is only 350cc, its at least a blah blah blah. Here is what Im having trouble with. KTM no doubt tested alot during development of this new bike. If they ever had any thought that maybe they would be too far down on power that they would need to upsize it, dont you think they would just crank it up to a 375, 400, 415 etc and then market the bike as that size? In the long run, what Carioli, Alessi, Bubba, Reed or any of them guys does on the bike is pale in comparison to what real world weekend racers do on it. If Tony goes out and kills it on a bike that is thought to be a 350 but is really a 400, then KTM sells a ton of em initially and then Joe racers go out and get killed by a bunch of 450s, then what has KTM really accomplished? I really honestly think that the bike is a 350, there really isnt any reason for it not to be, if they needed it to be a 400 then they would have made it a 400 to begin with.
I think it all started with the FIM 350cc rule, they didin't just decide to buld a 350 for the 450 class. Average racers are fine on a 350 because the guys we race can't use all of a 450 or probably 350 either. The reason for it not to be a 350 is because a 450 makes a better sellig 350 than a 350 does, And FIM rules let them run larger than 350cc.



It's not the first time KTM has been jerked around by rules that Japan didn't like.
aFACEdismembered 9/6/2010 7:38pm
9/6/2010 7:38pm
LB wrote:
You forgot Natan Ramsey won numorus 250F Supercross races in 2005 & 2006. How about the year Grant Langston and Ryan Hughes went 1st and 2nd...
You forgot Natan Ramsey won numorus 250F Supercross races in 2005 & 2006.

How about the year Grant Langston and Ryan Hughes went 1st and 2nd in 2003 125 series, Langston won the Championship that year giving KTM their only National Championship to date. Yes, KTM was close through the Lites Supercross series winning many races, but as you posted, the closest KTM ever came to winning a Supercross title was when Josh Hansen tied Langston for the Championship and Langston took it with 1 more main event win.

2003 thru 2006 was the strongest KTM has ever been in the USA. All of this winning was done in the 125/250F classes.
2011 could be the return of KTM to it's winning ways. They're going to have some really good riders next year and their 250F is really good, so were going to have to wait and see if KTM can regain that Championship momentum. Roger DeCoster is a great Team Manager, so it was a good move on KTM part to put him in charge.
I'm personally not sold on the 350 in the 450 class. Non-pro riders love the 350 because the 450 is a lot of motorcycle for the normal racer, but a top level professional needs as much power as possible because they can use it. Just like this years Outdoor races, there will be good tracks for the 350 and there will be bad tracks for the 350. But having it's good and bad points, not to sure if the 350 will be able to help a rider put himself into a good position to win a Championship.
But like I said, we will have to wait and see. Good Luck KTM and RD.
DanDunes818 wrote:
Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point...
Then you must not believe that Cairoli's running a 350cc bike then? If you believe Cairolis bike is a 350 then you should at this point be "sold on the 350 in the 450 class". Or you don't think Gp's is the top level.

I'm (especially after watching Cairolis 350(?) at Lierop this morning) not convinced that his bike is a 350. That thing was just tracking and was walking away from all the 450's in the whooped out beach sand of Lierop . There's very few deeper , rougher , and more power robbing tracks in the world than Lierop and the 350 smoked the field. The 350 was even 1st and 2nd in moto 2.

LB wrote:
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop...
Your on to something there Dan. No, I don't believe Cairoli's KTM is standard displacement. Just yesterday I was watching a video of practice at Lierop and the bike he was riding had a much different sound than the one Mike Alessi rides.
Here's a story for you and take it how you want to, but when Mike Alessi was in Europe Mike and Anthony were riding together and Anthony's bike was much faster and pulled stronger. When Alessi asked to ride Cairioli bike, Anthony (or should I say his team) wouldn't let Mike ride his bike.
It's legal to change the displacement in Europe, but it's not legal to change the displacement here in the USA. So it's not like KTM is doing anything wrong if they did make their 350 into a .....?, but it would hurt them through their marketing if anyone knew these.
I'm sure you know the sound of Mike Alessi's bike by now and let me just say this, Anthony Carioli bike sounds nothing like it. It's has a much deeper and throatier sound than Mike's. Maybe this is the reason these two riders have had much different results through out the year.
So does that mean Mike had a big bore in his bike at the USGP then?

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