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We did the tests, TWMX did the tests, MXA did the tests: the two-stroke 250 still outruns a 250F and by opening the door to help privateers, you just give factory riders more of an advantage in that they could choose which bike to ride when. I know you mean well, but i personally don't see how it could work and not have an effect that hurts the racing more than it helps it.
But it was the guy who wished I had cancer that really ended this fight for me. That one hit a little close to home. Sorry.
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But why not just have a 250 & 500 class with stroke being irrelevant ?? If a 250 2 outruns a 250 4 then surely for a privateer racing the nationals to open it up would lower thier expenses and make them more competitive?
The factories would never let the works guys run 2 strokes - only Yam & KTM still make them anyways( boutique Euro mfg's not withstanding).
That " 4 strokes can have a few extra cc's " rule was written back in the dark ages when 4 strokes were grossly overweight and underpowered. Time to sling it in the round file.
You don't need to worry about letting 250's run on 250's, fuck that, its stupid. Just modify the rules to be more reflective of reality say 175 and 350 for 2 strokes. Then lets see what happens. Stop worrying about if thats perfect, its not but the market and competition will sort it out and if we're lucky it will start another arms race and the manufacturers and after market win via fresh bike sales.
Take the lead from Dungy's sponsor: JUST DO IT!!!
You like two strokes? Then ride the Vet class or find a time machine.
When you are in a high position, you must learn to ignore the ignorant. Imagine how RC felt when he was booed to death (and look at the respect he now has for his efforts).
Please dont give up on the 2 stroke. Amazing advances in 2 stroke technology would be the result and motocross would greatly benefit.
We are calling upon your position in MX and your roots in 2 stroke MX to put forth your full effort.
When you run up the stairs tonight bust out a little BBRRAAAAPPPP and you will know what is right.
Thanks!
But Im stoked you all got behind something to better the sport without any real knowledge of the real world. I say a class for Jet Bikes should be allowed.
I wish you all luck. I dont think you will be happy, but I signed it to help.
You are signer #2089
That's a little better, no? Heck KTM doesn't even sell a 125 anymore.
I think a development class would be perfect, 125 only. Sadly the manu's such as honda would throw a shit fit since they hate 2 strokes and no longer make a 125.
But I also think a new form of the 4 stroke nationals are needed. I will not take credit for this idea (it's someone elses) but this sport is dying for a "minor league" such as the old 4 stroke nationals were.
But smart logistical planning could make it a great series...aka have 4 rounds ONLY in texas so travel can be easy (and schedule each round geographically in transit order) then 4 rounds in cali then 4 rounds in florida or something like that (although probably cali texas then florida in that order) This time cater to the TWO Stroke more (though not a two stroke national) by rules that give it an upper hand such as 250vs 250.
Anyways, DC why not at least allow 300 vs 450 and 150 vs 250? That, at least, seems reasonable if we cant get a true fair displacement vs displacement
You honestly can not look at where our economy and sport is and say it's in a good place. and 10k new bikes are HERE NOW with 4k resale a year later. That's truly pitiful.
Why are some folks so freaking negative when it comes to someone saving $ and having fun riding a 2 stroke?
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...but no, 2strokes aren't "factory" or "new technology" so it's better to bury the sport than help it grow (end sarcasm)
1. OEM's are integral to the sport. It happens in every form of elite level motorsport - the OEM's typically have the most money at stake, so they rightly have a strong say in what goes.
2. Only KTM makes a current, competitive two stroke. I can't see the rest tooling up again to build two strokes.
3. Why would any OEM want to develop, design and manufacture two different bikes for the same class of racing? I know KTM does but their business is pretty different to the Japanese OEM's.
4. "Dirty" internal combustion engine powered machines of any sort, if not already, will in the near future be outlawed or taxed. Whatever arguments you might want to make otherwise, four strokes are viewed as cleaner or at the very least able to be made cleaner than current two strokes by the OEM's, EPA etc.
5. Every other form of elite motorsport has tight rules on specifications that are mainly focussed on one thing - to give everybody an even playing field. Allowing two strokes back into Pro racing is too uneven - there is no way of ensuring parity. One of two things will happen - (a) it will be pretty obvious, pretty quickly, which option (2 or 4) is better, and the other will die a natural death because no-one wants to be on inferior equipment; or (b) the sport will descend into endless rule changes each year trying to keep "parity". Since no-one wants (b) (especially the OEM's and the teams), they will do whatever they can to avoid it, including making option (a) fit their current agenda. Hell, even the two stroke proponents can't agree on what capacity would be comparable.
6. This is aimed at a very small percentage of the MX world - non-factory or non-factory supported professional racers. Too small to make a valid argument for changing the rules so substantially.
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I am a die hard two stroke fan, but please dont take anything some very passionate fans say to heart. No matter what decisions are made, someone will be disgruntled and will say something rash. Just please keep the best interests of the sport your number one focus. That is all I will ask.
Considering a 125cc only class would do wonders for the sport and would bring many people back through the gates. Would also generate huge amounts of interest world wide.
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