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Unless the total income brought in goes up by 50-100%, there’s no motivation for the current teams to allow more in.
The current teams seem to have been bitch slapped by the Andretti/Cadillac decision.
Here’s a Q for one of the F1 super-serious “engineering history” buffs: are the Honda engines made in Japan…or France? Are they REALLY Hondas or simply “paid for” by Honda?
Indeed.
Much like pro drive building cars, chassis, etc... for factory teams.
I’m not sure about bitch slapped but they successfully increased the entry fee from $200M to $600M. And that’s for a single team, throw in 4 more to divide the pie with and that number would probably need to be significantly higher!
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Not for arguments sake…but…
Wouldn’t 15-20 teams make for better funding and racing?
Maybe. I’d like to see more entries, personally. But I don’t know if it would increase any revenue for the teams or not. And if it doesn’t increase overall revenue substantially, there’s no motivation for the current teams to do it.
I think that the Cadillac team is one of those rare situations that seem almost certain to increase interest just because of having a true American team. It’ll be interesting to see if the newer, casual fans lose interest when they are reminded that they are not using a Cadillac engine the first year or two, though.
They'd have to split the prize and tv money more ways. So unless the new teams bring in enough new eyeballs to make up for it then no.
And it would dilute the existing team sponsors as well. 10 teams you're going to get some tv time. 15 or 20? Maybe not. Sponsors don't like that.
from a little bit of searching, it seems that the hondas are built in Japan Red BUll have already set up an engine dept in England, taht will be badged Ford, much like the famous DFV Cosworth was
Honda's engines are designed and built within the Honda racing division at Sakura in Japan. The Japanese take the ownership and design of the engines incredibly seriously and wouldn't let them out of their hands completely, although they obviously do a lot of work on packaging etc with Red Bull (and soon to be with Aston Martin as Red Bull move to their own engines in partnership with Ford electronics).
Also as an aside - Toyota have a partnership with Haas which likely means they may choose to do more in future if they feel it's right, but they were burned pretty badly last time they tried to do their own thing. Audi have bought out the current 'Stake' team which will take on Audi branding I think from 2026 with Audi engines. Renault are in there (or were) under the 'Alpine' brand which historically has always been Renault's version of AMG/MSport etc.
Suzuka sucked, what a snoozer.
The big take away is that Max is a monster and he can never be counted out. Absolutely willing that car ahead of the faster competition. Reminds me of Senna's last years in the Mclaren when Williams was on top.
Yuki showed some flashes that he can hang with Max and be a proper teammate, but maybe the pressure finally got to him in Q2? Gotta remember Q3 has always been the goal for him, now it's expected. That shift in mindset will surely take a little time. Then in the race it was clearly a tough track to pass on. Was there any real overtakes inside the top 10? Snoozer for sure. Time will tell but I think Yuki has what it takes. I'm also hoping he gets it figured out and grows some confidence in that seat purely for the radio messages 😂
It really doesn’t seem that difficult and I’m sure most of us could handle this.
That's also 11 years old. Hybrid systems are way more complex now than they were back then, as are a lot of other things.
Oh, I’m sure. The split second decisions these guys have to make while monitoring functions and providing feedback is staggering.
Most of those controls are infrequently used during a race, typically down a straight or when asked by the directors. It looks staggering but in practice the interactions are fairly routine.
Ok, sure looks intimidating though. One error in design I noticed was the lack of turn signals. Must belong to a BMW vehicle.
Until, like Doohan, you forget to press an important one at the end of a DRS zone and hit a wall at a buck 80 or so...
Talk about a nepo-baby. Half the grid got their gig due to parental influence. Your average high school has dudes who could perform at a higher level. F1’s high barrier of entry keeps the most talented people out of the game.
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Let's keep the snark (the BMW shit) out of this thread. Once it starts it WILL ramp up.
The rest of this forum has more than enough of that.
Try keeping this on a tight topic, F1 tech, and racing.
Thanks man.
F1 has a long history of pushing talent into a car that they're not ready for.
Or, a getting trapped in a car/team that's a perennial back marker.
Even worse, the political system that keeps new, or certain teams "in their place".
I remember Alan Mcnish and Anthony Davidson talking about the powers that be hamstringing the Toyota team.
And they absolutely loathed Mario when he drove. Made them furious when he won the title.
Then... they never gave his kid a fair chance.
Brendan Hartley was another.
Outstanding endurance racer.
Never given a real chance to develop into an F1 driver.
And jeezuz, lance frikking stroll.
Talk about a nepo case.
If any motorized sport was as accessible as high school athletic programs, no one driving/riding today would have a contract (save maybe Max and Jett). The sports are so expensive and niche it keeps 98% of the population on the bench. And high schools & colleges are littered with athletic freaks with the hand/eye coordination required to excel.
I’m convinced that any new vehicle sold in Texas has to have a ‘turn signal delete’ option added to it. Either that or using your turn signals leads to some sort of fine……
Signed,
A BMW driver who actually uses their turn signals.
Anyone else think that the Cadillac foray into F1 is a pretext for the next GM ‘supercar’ to be badged as a Caddy? My personal thought is that the C9 will probably have a variant, maybe the equivalent of a ZR1, in Cadillac dressage. If the F1 team has success (with fans, not instantly winning races) then I could see a scenario where the C9 platform could have their highest performance variant sold as a Cadillac.
Yep, FIA paid Karl Wendlinger to knockout Michael in nearly every race.
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“Inbound” …but, the current political winds could change that.
Perhaps the E-Ray becomes a Cadillac?
That’s how I’d see it if your analysis plays out.
But, then, again…I can’t trust a thing you say. You’re the one person that uses his turn-signals in his Beemer. You’re not a reliable standard to utilize in such a calculus.😂
Btw, Good Morning Texas!
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