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avidchimp wrote:
Why do we need to secure better trade deals in the first place? We used to be the world's #1 super power when it came to...

Why do we need to secure better trade deals in the first place? We used to be the world's #1 super power when it came to manufacturing and exports. What happened in the last 40 years to change that? Did these other countries all of a sudden become mass innovators and producers and under cut the US? 

Or, did our own country sell us out in the name of cheap shit and record profits? 

bonseff wrote:

Right Here GIFs | Tenor

The answer to who sold us out is...

You and I did. We, together, the US consumers. 

Whoa! What do you expect these hypocritical whiners to do? Do you expect them to acknowledge their lives that are filled with Chinese made crap? Do you expect them to go back and recognize how giving China MFN got us here AND funded the New China that they’re sooooooo afraid of? 

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So what Trump is doing is good for you, correct?

And for the rest, they need to look at the bigger picture.

63% of americans cant afford a 500$ extra expense. Telling them to look at the "bigger picture", when tariffs and a crashing economy make their lifes even more complicated is cynical at best. 

 

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This is the context around my argument concerning the Walton's 
(I know, that damn liberal mouthpiece PBS)
& this story goes back 20 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n224P8snMkA

FRONTLINE offers two starkly contrasting images: one of empty storefronts in Circleville, Ohio, where the local TV manufacturing plant has closed down; the other — a sea of high rises in the South China boomtown of Shenzhen. The connection between American job losses and soaring Chinese exports? Wal-Mart. For Wal-Mart, China has become the cheapest, most reliable production platform in the world, the source of up to $25 billion in annual imports that help the company deliver everyday low prices to 100 million customers a week. But while some economists credit Wal-Mart’s single-minded focus on low costs with helping contain U.S. inflation, others charge that the company is the main force driving the massive overseas shift to China in the production of American consumer goods, resulting in hundreds of thousands of lost jobs and a lower standard of living here at home. [Explore more stories on the original website for Is Wal-Mart Good for America?]

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This isn't a China problem, this is an American company absolutely crushing it at the capitalism game, destroying anyone in their way and using China as an end to a means. And inflammable and green are right, we bought into it.

Mr. Show summed it up back in the 90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP4yX2rkpBc

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bonseff wrote:
This is the context around my argument concerning the Walton's (I know, that damn liberal mouthpiece PBS)& this story goes back 20 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n224P8snMkAFRONTLINE offers...

This is the context around my argument concerning the Walton's 
(I know, that damn liberal mouthpiece PBS)
& this story goes back 20 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n224P8snMkA

FRONTLINE offers two starkly contrasting images: one of empty storefronts in Circleville, Ohio, where the local TV manufacturing plant has closed down; the other — a sea of high rises in the South China boomtown of Shenzhen. The connection between American job losses and soaring Chinese exports? Wal-Mart. For Wal-Mart, China has become the cheapest, most reliable production platform in the world, the source of up to $25 billion in annual imports that help the company deliver everyday low prices to 100 million customers a week. But while some economists credit Wal-Mart’s single-minded focus on low costs with helping contain U.S. inflation, others charge that the company is the main force driving the massive overseas shift to China in the production of American consumer goods, resulting in hundreds of thousands of lost jobs and a lower standard of living here at home. [Explore more stories on the original website for Is Wal-Mart Good for America?]

20 years ago PBS was not nearly as biased as today. 

I do appreciate that link and will check it out later. 

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4/4/2025 11:57am

So what Trump is doing is good for you, correct?

And for the rest, they need to look at the bigger picture.

eins4eins wrote:
63% of americans cant afford a 500$ extra expense. Telling them to look at the "bigger picture", when tariffs and a crashing economy make their lifes...

63% of americans cant afford a 500$ extra expense. Telling them to look at the "bigger picture", when tariffs and a crashing economy make their lifes even more complicated is cynical at best. 

 

I couldn't find any details on why they couldn't afford a $500 extra expense. Inflation? Lifestyle and purchase choices? It's a nice buzz worthy statistic, but with no real foundation on the underlying causes. 

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Hard to take anything you write seriously when you think transgender mice is real

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I know, it’s sounds crazy that someone would spend billions on sh-t like that. But it’s one of many “special projects” over the last few years...

I know, it’s sounds crazy that someone would spend billions on sh-t like that. But it’s one of many “special projects” over the last few years. Who knows, maybe the research they were doing would finally allow mice to identify correctly lol. 

I’ll try and find you some other stuff like that - https://doge.gov

Just going to gloss over the fact that this was immediately debunked aren’t you?

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TeamGreen wrote:
That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.Too many countries enjoy selling in our...

That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.

Too many countries enjoy selling in our markets while penalizing our products in their markets. That’s what the actual issue is that this administration is taking on. 

Go try to buy an American car in Europe…hell, try to buy one in South America! Or…Go buy a Harley in Japan.

As I sit here and thoroughly enjoy the typical hysterics by our usual suspects with their usual name calling and stupidity & I also sit here and realize they are obviously comfortable with the status quo.

I’m not.

And…I’m not an uninformed hysterical victim of the narrative as are they. 

I’m an American manufacturer. I have countries that penalize my products with tariffs, duties, VAT…etc.

So, yes! We DO need to do better deals.

But better deals arent the solution in most cases. Better products are. Europeans don't buy american cars because of tariffs. They're simply not matching demands of customers. Even with 0%, numbers of trucks sold won't increase. 

Just look at Tesla. Good product, good sales. No matter of tariffs. 

Btw, weighted tariffs for goods EU vs USA is 2.7% vs 2.2%. Japan is only at 1.9%. Meaning tariff on a harley or a product you sell might be high, but for other high volume goods the tariff is actually lower. 

 

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avidchimp wrote:
Chicken or egg question. Did the mass offshoring of American manufacturing jobs that created record profits for share holders while also creating a middle/lower class wage gap...

Chicken or egg question. 

Did the mass offshoring of American manufacturing jobs that created record profits for share holders while also creating a middle/lower class wage gap that made cheaper products necessary, or did we as a society demand cheaper products at the cost of our middle class and these mega corporations just gave us what we asked for?

IMHO, cheaper shit from China was meant to mask the dismantling of the middle and lower class, while also making these corporations wildly profitable.

I can understand your point, but I don't see it as a chicken or egg question in the US market. The consumers accepted it without concern for...

I can understand your point, but I don't see it as a chicken or egg question in the US market. 

The consumers accepted it without concern for future ramifications. Therefore, it was no longer a taboo for other corporations to do the same, also without concern for the future. At some point along the way, I think it is plausible that certain interests saw it as a possibility to shrink the middle class as a means to an end. However, the question is which interests. It would certainly serve socialist and communist ideologies to destroy the middle class. For corporations to make money though, they need a strong middle class with disposable income to drive consumerism though. 

avidchimp wrote:
I agree that we as a society accepted, even asked for it. I'd fancy a guess that the graph for offshoring of American jobs and the...

I agree that we as a society accepted, even asked for it. I'd fancy a guess that the graph for offshoring of American jobs and the demand for cheap shit go up in lock-step.

I suspect you are right about the graph. 

How important is it for each of us to grow the middle class?

Just as a reference, but there may be other ranges:

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The big issues with general categories like this is they just don't apply to a lot of regions. I would think living in Manhattan would not be much fun on $150,000 a year. 

About 52% of US households are middle-income households, based on the above categories. 

What is needed is better regional data. 

One important point though is, if there is to be a change of direction for the US economy for the better future, there will be some tough times during that transition. 

I am willing to tighten the belt and see it through, because I actually do want it to be better for my children and grandchildren. I'll be as tough as I need to be. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.Too many countries enjoy selling in our...

That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.

Too many countries enjoy selling in our markets while penalizing our products in their markets. That’s what the actual issue is that this administration is taking on. 

Go try to buy an American car in Europe…hell, try to buy one in South America! Or…Go buy a Harley in Japan.

As I sit here and thoroughly enjoy the typical hysterics by our usual suspects with their usual name calling and stupidity & I also sit here and realize they are obviously comfortable with the status quo.

I’m not.

And…I’m not an uninformed hysterical victim of the narrative as are they. 

I’m an American manufacturer. I have countries that penalize my products with tariffs, duties, VAT…etc.

So, yes! We DO need to do better deals.

eins4eins wrote:
But better deals arent the solution in most cases. Better products are. Europeans don't buy american cars because of tariffs. They're simply not matching demands of...

But better deals arent the solution in most cases. Better products are. Europeans don't buy american cars because of tariffs. They're simply not matching demands of customers. Even with 0%, numbers of trucks sold won't increase. 

Just look at Tesla. Good product, good sales. No matter of tariffs. 

Btw, weighted tariffs for goods EU vs USA is 2.7% vs 2.2%. Japan is only at 1.9%. Meaning tariff on a harley or a product you sell might be high, but for other high volume goods the tariff is actually lower. 

 

Tesla has a Giga-factory in Germany. Would those vehicles be subject to any tariffs? 

Yes, I understand that components and raw materials may be, but my specific question is the vehicles manufactured there. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.Too many countries enjoy selling in our...

That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.

Too many countries enjoy selling in our markets while penalizing our products in their markets. That’s what the actual issue is that this administration is taking on. 

Go try to buy an American car in Europe…hell, try to buy one in South America! Or…Go buy a Harley in Japan.

As I sit here and thoroughly enjoy the typical hysterics by our usual suspects with their usual name calling and stupidity & I also sit here and realize they are obviously comfortable with the status quo.

I’m not.

And…I’m not an uninformed hysterical victim of the narrative as are they. 

I’m an American manufacturer. I have countries that penalize my products with tariffs, duties, VAT…etc.

So, yes! We DO need to do better deals.

how many American companies actually look outward tho?  they have the biggest market in the world on their doorstep and concentrate on that, 

  take cars to NZ/AU, japan   most american car companies dont make RH Drive versions for our and the japanese market, which have no tariffs on motor vehicles,  GM just shut down there entire RHD brands world wide a few years ago,  Companies in Australia do conversions on american trucks to RHD for there market. (and if you think a CHev or Ram truck is expensive in the USA now, wait to you see what the RHD conversion types are worth) 

 

i see  its reported online that Veitnam is talking about dropping there tarrifs,  is that really going to increase american manufactuered products going into such a low wage economy?  

 

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byke wrote:

It's all a money grab. People cheer for you while you reach into their pockets. It's like what they say about buying lottery tickets. 

Gotta be in it to win it. 

👍 Got it! 👍

Exactly, you gotta be in it in order to be in the 0.000000000000001% that wins it, and then it's just an idiot tax for the 99.999999999999999%.

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So you are the smartest guy in here?

Far from it.But I am about to make a large chunk of money reinvesting in stocks in the not to distant future. Pulled out a couple...

Far from it.

But I am about to make a large chunk of money reinvesting in stocks in the not to distant future. Pulled out a couple months ago, knowing Trump would do something foolish soon.

He did not disappoint.

So what Trump is doing is good for you, correct?

And for the rest, they need to look at the bigger picture.

You really are clueless. 

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Hard to take anything you write seriously when you think transgender mice is real

burn1986 wrote:
I know, it’s sounds crazy that someone would spend billions on sh-t like that. But it’s one of many “special projects” over the last few years...

I know, it’s sounds crazy that someone would spend billions on sh-t like that. But it’s one of many “special projects” over the last few years. Who knows, maybe the research they were doing would finally allow mice to identify correctly lol. 

I’ll try and find you some other stuff like that - https://doge.gov

Just going to gloss over the fact that this was immediately debunked aren’t you?

Debunked?? Or just clarified?

How about a link

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Far from it.But I am about to make a large chunk of money reinvesting in stocks in the not to distant future. Pulled out a couple...

Far from it.

But I am about to make a large chunk of money reinvesting in stocks in the not to distant future. Pulled out a couple months ago, knowing Trump would do something foolish soon.

He did not disappoint.

So what Trump is doing is good for you, correct?

And for the rest, they need to look at the bigger picture.

You really are clueless. 

Hey look everyone, another person taking advantage of your 401k losses in the stock market!!!

He's not wrong, you ARE benefitting from what Trump is doing 🤣🤣🤣

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So what Trump is doing is good for you, correct?

And for the rest, they need to look at the bigger picture.

You really are clueless. 

Hey look everyone, another person taking advantage of your 401k losses in the stock market!!!

He's not wrong, you ARE benefitting from what Trump is doing 🤣🤣🤣

Here's a read and recommendation on what to buy now.  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/3-brilliant-stocks-im-buying-101700718.h…

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TeamGreen wrote:
That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.Too many countries enjoy selling in our...

That doesn’t do anything to change the status quo on trade…even-though your point about being “sold out” is absolutely correct.

Too many countries enjoy selling in our markets while penalizing our products in their markets. That’s what the actual issue is that this administration is taking on. 

Go try to buy an American car in Europe…hell, try to buy one in South America! Or…Go buy a Harley in Japan.

As I sit here and thoroughly enjoy the typical hysterics by our usual suspects with their usual name calling and stupidity & I also sit here and realize they are obviously comfortable with the status quo.

I’m not.

And…I’m not an uninformed hysterical victim of the narrative as are they. 

I’m an American manufacturer. I have countries that penalize my products with tariffs, duties, VAT…etc.

So, yes! We DO need to do better deals.

scott_nz wrote:
how many American companies actually look outward tho?  they have the biggest market in the world on their doorstep and concentrate on that,   take cars to...

how many American companies actually look outward tho?  they have the biggest market in the world on their doorstep and concentrate on that, 

  take cars to NZ/AU, japan   most american car companies dont make RH Drive versions for our and the japanese market, which have no tariffs on motor vehicles,  GM just shut down there entire RHD brands world wide a few years ago,  Companies in Australia do conversions on american trucks to RHD for there market. (and if you think a CHev or Ram truck is expensive in the USA now, wait to you see what the RHD conversion types are worth) 

 

i see  its reported online that Veitnam is talking about dropping there tarrifs,  is that really going to increase american manufactuered products going into such a low wage economy?  

 

Aren't the vehicles built by LHD vehicle companies of good quality?

Why spend so much on a conversion for a US made RHD vehicle?

Genuine questions, not trying to be sarcastic. 

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Aren't the vehicles built by LHD vehicle companies of good quality?Why spend so much on a conversion for a US made RHD vehicle?Genuine questions, not trying...

Aren't the vehicles built by LHD vehicle companies of good quality?

Why spend so much on a conversion for a US made RHD vehicle?

Genuine questions, not trying to be sarcastic. 

they dont do similar models with towing capacity etc,  Utes as we call them are a bit smaller, but more popular, 

 the only thing close really is a Toyota Landcruiser, 

i think alot of poeple drive American Trucks for status as much as anything,   a they are a bit of a prick of thing to daily drive as out carparks etc are not really set up for them

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Tesla has a Giga-factory in Germany. Would those vehicles be subject to any tariffs? Yes, I understand that components and raw materials may be, but my specific...

Tesla has a Giga-factory in Germany. Would those vehicles be subject to any tariffs? 

Yes, I understand that components and raw materials may be, but my specific question is the vehicles manufactured there. 

No tariffs for Model Ys produced in germany within the EU.

But this plant went live only lately and Teslas were selling good even before that, when tariffs still applied. 

 

Biggest share of imports from the US into the EU are pharmaceuticals, medical equipment, aeronautic parts, but also chips and semiconductors and tariffs applied to that are between 0-2%.

Tariffs are not the cause for the trade deficit. 

 

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When you have cancer, you don't cut part off it out. then some more and some more . You cut it all and hit it with...

When you have cancer, you don't cut part off it out. then some more and some more . You cut it all and hit it with therapy. It is going to get worse before it is going to be batter  No other choice. Doing  nothing is a way to dark ages, which we almost there with what democrats did !!There is no magic . It is easy to destroy and take time to rebuild !!!

I had a 12 1/2 hour surgery to remove a tumor from my neck about 29 months ago. 

If the surgical team had approached their job with the same lack of concern for the outcome as the DODGY crew, I would have died on the table.

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Aren't the vehicles built by LHD vehicle companies of good quality?Why spend so much on a conversion for a US made RHD vehicle?Genuine questions, not trying...

Aren't the vehicles built by LHD vehicle companies of good quality?

Why spend so much on a conversion for a US made RHD vehicle?

Genuine questions, not trying to be sarcastic. 

scott_nz wrote:
they dont do similar models with towing capacity etc,  Utes as we call them are a bit smaller, but more popular,  the only thing close really is...

they dont do similar models with towing capacity etc,  Utes as we call them are a bit smaller, but more popular, 

 the only thing close really is a Toyota Landcruiser, 

i think alot of poeple drive American Trucks for status as much as anything,   a they are a bit of a prick of thing to daily drive as out carparks etc are not really set up for them

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Far from it.But I am about to make a large chunk of money reinvesting in stocks in the not to distant future. Pulled out a couple...

Far from it.

But I am about to make a large chunk of money reinvesting in stocks in the not to distant future. Pulled out a couple months ago, knowing Trump would do something foolish soon.

He did not disappoint.

So what Trump is doing is good for you, correct?

And for the rest, they need to look at the bigger picture.

You really are clueless. 

But YOU are the smartest guy in here? 

Mensa member?

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Balancing trade? Is that what some of you think the actual goal is with this?The goal is to get these countries to the table and secure...

Balancing trade? Is that what some of you think the actual goal is with this?

The goal is to get these countries to the table and secure better trade deals than what the US currently has with them. 

How many will it work with? Time will tell. 

avidchimp wrote:
Why do we need to secure better trade deals in the first place? We used to be the world's #1 super power when it came to...

Why do we need to secure better trade deals in the first place? We used to be the world's #1 super power when it came to manufacturing and exports. What happened in the last 40 years to change that? Did these other countries all of a sudden become mass innovators and producers and under cut the US? 

Or, did our own country sell us out in the name of cheap shit and record profits? 

US corporations offshored manufacturing, to lower their manufacturing cost, by utilizing cheaper labor, and lax environmental standards, so they could make more profit for their shareholders, screwing the American worker.

Foreign countries welcomed the US corporations investments, providing local employment, while sending profits back to the US, the big beneficiaries were shareholders...

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4/4/2025 4:18pm

After reading this thread, it's abundantly clear that even basic economics were not taught when many of you received your GED's.

 

You're assuming they have GED's!

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What are those goods and what are the existing tariffs? $3 Billion in 2024…what were those numbers in previous years…and for what goods…?Look, you’re the guy with...

What are those goods and what are the existing tariffs? 

$3 Billion in 2024…what were those numbers in previous years…and for what goods…?

Look, you’re the guy with all the data: give us the specifics.

What are those numbers now? 

Are you too lazy to look them up yourself?All other countries will be tariffed at 10% minimum, but Russia is an exception, why don't you ask...

Are you too lazy to look them up yourself?

All other countries will be tariffed at 10% minimum, but Russia is an exception, why don't you ask yourself the question, why does Russia get special treatment?

 

TeamGreen wrote:
You sound angry…when someone simply asked you a question regarding the information you’re putting up and are implying that it’s not tariffed or subject to other...

You sound angry…when someone simply asked you a question regarding the information you’re putting up and are implying that it’s not tariffed or subject to other duty or sanctions…so…again…

What are the current tariffs as it applies to the $3B you’re so very concerned with?

What was the deficit prior to Vlad invading Ukraine?

What’s our current President go to do with the numbers you posted?

What are the current sanctions on Russia as applied or caused by the United States of America?

How’s Russia doing when it comes to International Banking and the sanctions put in place in that regard?  (Who’s behind all that?)

 Dude, you’re sticking up for Russia, fucking Russia. The country that invaded Ukraine no matter what comrade trump says. What does it matter what they are selling to you guys, it’s 3 billion dollars worth of shit and no tariffs. The Russian take over of the republican party is complete and that’s a bad thing.IMG 0851 4

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4/4/2025 4:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2025 9:59pm
Are you too lazy to look them up yourself?All other countries will be tariffed at 10% minimum, but Russia is an exception, why don't you ask...

Are you too lazy to look them up yourself?

All other countries will be tariffed at 10% minimum, but Russia is an exception, why don't you ask yourself the question, why does Russia get special treatment?

 

TeamGreen wrote:
You sound angry…when someone simply asked you a question regarding the information you’re putting up and are implying that it’s not tariffed or subject to other...

You sound angry…when someone simply asked you a question regarding the information you’re putting up and are implying that it’s not tariffed or subject to other duty or sanctions…so…again…

What are the current tariffs as it applies to the $3B you’re so very concerned with?

What was the deficit prior to Vlad invading Ukraine?

What’s our current President go to do with the numbers you posted?

What are the current sanctions on Russia as applied or caused by the United States of America?

How’s Russia doing when it comes to International Banking and the sanctions put in place in that regard?  (Who’s behind all that?)

jjavaman wrote:
 Dude, you’re sticking up for Russia, fucking Russia. The country that invaded Ukraine no matter what comrade trump says. What does it matter what they are...

 Dude, you’re sticking up for Russia, fucking Russia. The country that invaded Ukraine no matter what comrade trump says. What does it matter what they are selling to you guys, it’s 3 billion dollars worth of shit and no tariffs. The Russian take over of the republican party is complete and that’s a bad thing.IMG 0851 4

You’re weak and angry just like your brethren. 

Unlike you, some of us have eliminated Russian targets and nullified Russian weapons systems.

No worries. It’s the interwebsthingy.

You do-nothings are trying waaaaay too hard to be significant.

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After reading this thread, it's abundantly clear that even basic economics were not taught when many of you received your GED's.

 

You're assuming they have GED's!

Oh dear....another one who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Too funny.

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