Here you go: JS7's Open Letter

Keith Stone
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8/18/2010 4:34pm
huck wrote:
Nope....plus, sometimes the fastest riders don't make the best team. It's a team sport.... Like I said, he's turned them down twice...now, since it's in the...
Nope....plus, sometimes the fastest riders don't make the best team. It's a team sport....

Like I said, he's turned them down twice...now, since it's in the US, he wants to be there?
He's also raced it twice.
raddad wrote:
huck, do you know who these two (or one) guys are that you are arguing with?
Who's argueing?, and what's it of your concern who I reply to? Are you the house detective? or someone more important, like homeland security?.
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He's also raced it twice.
raddad wrote:
huck, do you know who these two (or one) guys are that you are arguing with?
Who's argueing?, and what's it of your concern who I reply to? Are you the house detective? or someone more important, like homeland security?.
You sure are nervous newb, in 3-4 yrs you may get it, if you make it that long.
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8/18/2010 5:04pm
jaeckle wrote:
Ok this would be a good time to have a conversation about if a "FIM World Supercross Champion Title" is actually a championship title. 1-3 races...
Ok this would be a good time to have a conversation about if a "FIM World Supercross Champion Title" is actually a championship title.

1-3 races does not constitute a title in my book. Thats a little short of a "series" in my book. I'm sure Heath Voss will be pissed, but thats the facts.
P wrote:
Ummmmmm the points from all of the US SX rounds plus the early Canadian rounds determined the World SX Champion. Again, it's sad how some people...
Ummmmmm the points from all of the US SX rounds plus the early Canadian rounds determined the World SX Champion.

Again, it's sad how some people here try to diminish James' accomplishments in this sport.



P
KING74 wrote:
I don't think anyone is trying to diminish his accomplishments as much as they are trying to point out that he's not he greatest of all...
I don't think anyone is trying to diminish his accomplishments as much as they are trying to point out that he's not he greatest of all times like most fans make him out to be.

No, they are trying to diminish his accomplishments.


P
8/18/2010 5:06pm
swizcore wrote:
http://js7.com/...g-unadilla-and-mxon/

Good to hear the wrist feels solid.
Basically what you are saying is that you don't have an answer to any actual arguments so now you have to resort to questioning our identities (I am not Keith Stone, by the way) in an attempt -- as bad as it may be -- to throw aspersions our way. I guess simply in lieu of the fact that you have been here for x amount of years and have x amount of posts, that your points are automatically sound. Well I don't play that game, raddad. I am more than willing to argue my points and support them, and I can do so without resorting to personal attacks, so whoever it is that checks whatever they check is welcome to to a "check up" but hopefully in doing so, they will do a check of the quality of your posts as well.

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8/18/2010 5:06pm
The suspension excuse was lame.
As to the MXdN, if he was lied to that isn't right. Short will do us proud (hopefully).
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8/18/2010 5:09pm
kongols wrote:
I hope pilot doesn`t get a meltdown like that flight attendant, we don`t want that do we.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Whats funny is I like watching Stewy ride, but I don't care if he loses to RD, RV or Scott Sheak. I don't care if races...
Whats funny is I like watching Stewy ride, but I don't care if he loses to RD, RV or Scott Sheak. I don't care if races, not races, plays video games or drives his boat in circles.
What I don't like is when people try to tear other people down.
pilotdude wrote:
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point...
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point.

Your post is a very weak defense of a guy who has gone seriously off the tracks in his career. If you can read, you will notice that my post starts out with the sentence, "Stewart's big bike record:"

So if you feel the need to put things in your response that have nothing to do with mine, that's fine. I do find it interesting that he has the most 125 wins but not the most 125 championships...I wonder why that is.

The "FIM World Supercross Championships".....ah yeah ok, if you say so.

He was NOT the 2006 or 2008 Motocross of Nations Champion, as that honor went to team USA. Stephen Everts won the 2006 MX1 individual championship. In 2008 Stewart was beaten by Pourcel's big brother for the MX1 individual title.

So really, since 2005, he has the 2008 AMA outdoor 450 title and the 2007 and 2009 supercross titles, which was exactly my point, despite your desperate attempt to obscure the truth.
If you feel the need to belittle ANY Pro Riders Big Bike accomplishments, that just says a lot about you.

Maybe when you win some Pro Nationals your opinion will matter to someone.
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8/18/2010 5:10pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2010 5:12pm
kongols wrote:
I hope pilot doesn`t get a meltdown like that flight attendant, we don`t want that do we.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Whats funny is I like watching Stewy ride, but I don't care if he loses to RD, RV or Scott Sheak. I don't care if races...
Whats funny is I like watching Stewy ride, but I don't care if he loses to RD, RV or Scott Sheak. I don't care if races, not races, plays video games or drives his boat in circles.
What I don't like is when people try to tear other people down.
pilotdude wrote:
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point...
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point.

Your post is a very weak defense of a guy who has gone seriously off the tracks in his career. If you can read, you will notice that my post starts out with the sentence, "Stewart's big bike record:"

So if you feel the need to put things in your response that have nothing to do with mine, that's fine. I do find it interesting that he has the most 125 wins but not the most 125 championships...I wonder why that is.

The "FIM World Supercross Championships".....ah yeah ok, if you say so.

He was NOT the 2006 or 2008 Motocross of Nations Champion, as that honor went to team USA. Stephen Everts won the 2006 MX1 individual championship. In 2008 Stewart was beaten by Pourcel's big brother for the MX1 individual title.

So really, since 2005, he has the 2008 AMA outdoor 450 title and the 2007 and 2009 supercross titles, which was exactly my point, despite your desperate attempt to obscure the truth.
pilotdude, you're an idiot.


P
`ol Ger
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8/18/2010 5:14pm
Be nice..
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8/18/2010 5:19pm
Fixator wrote:
Roger tells James he has a shot at MXON, knowing James is coming back to challenge his boy (Dungey), James gets all fired up to kick...
Roger tells James he has a shot at MXON, knowing James is coming back to challenge his boy (Dungey), James gets all fired up to kick everyone's ass upon return. Roger does not want his boy getting his ass kicked by James anytime soon so Roger waits until right before moto 1 of James return and announces MXON team minus James. James gets all pissed, rides like shit, Rogers boy wins and gains more momentum. Roger is The Man
Have to agree. Carma is a bitch. Take more from the sport than you give and the sport will start taking from you. Roger wrote the first payback check from James bank account.
James loves his money and bling. He will figure it out and come back at some point.
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8/18/2010 5:26pm
swizcore wrote:
http://js7.com/...g-unadilla-and-mxon/

Good to hear the wrist feels solid.
Spy vs Spy wrote:
Basically what you are saying is that you don't have an answer to any actual arguments so now you have to resort to questioning our identities...
Basically what you are saying is that you don't have an answer to any actual arguments so now you have to resort to questioning our identities (I am not Keith Stone, by the way) in an attempt -- as bad as it may be -- to throw aspersions our way. I guess simply in lieu of the fact that you have been here for x amount of years and have x amount of posts, that your points are automatically sound. Well I don't play that game, raddad. I am more than willing to argue my points and support them, and I can do so without resorting to personal attacks, so whoever it is that checks whatever they check is welcome to to a "check up" but hopefully in doing so, they will do a check of the quality of your posts as well.
I don't care that much about your arguments really. I and i am sure others can see who you really are or really are not. I can see that at the rate you are posting you will have way more posts than i do within a month if you are not found out. I never make personal attacks but i do simply call out people like you that try to slip in under the radar under a new name.. the more you argue against me the more you call attention to yourself so have at it.
8/18/2010 5:36pm
swizcore wrote:
http://js7.com/...g-unadilla-and-mxon/

Good to hear the wrist feels solid.
Spy vs Spy wrote:
Basically what you are saying is that you don't have an answer to any actual arguments so now you have to resort to questioning our identities...
Basically what you are saying is that you don't have an answer to any actual arguments so now you have to resort to questioning our identities (I am not Keith Stone, by the way) in an attempt -- as bad as it may be -- to throw aspersions our way. I guess simply in lieu of the fact that you have been here for x amount of years and have x amount of posts, that your points are automatically sound. Well I don't play that game, raddad. I am more than willing to argue my points and support them, and I can do so without resorting to personal attacks, so whoever it is that checks whatever they check is welcome to to a "check up" but hopefully in doing so, they will do a check of the quality of your posts as well.
raddad wrote:
I don't care that much about your arguments really. I and i am sure others can see who you really are or really are not. I...
I don't care that much about your arguments really. I and i am sure others can see who you really are or really are not. I can see that at the rate you are posting you will have way more posts than i do within a month if you are not found out. I never make personal attacks but i do simply call out people like you that try to slip in under the radar under a new name.. the more you argue against me the more you call attention to yourself so have at it.
I see. So you don't care about my arguments but are more interested in who I am? Further, in a month I will have more posts than you if I keep at the rate I am at (You must not be very good at math since in three months I still won't have as many posts as you do if I continue at this rate) as if the fact that I post more determines the quality or lack thereof, of my posts. Go do your checking, raddad, you won't find anything interesting, and since you obviously feel some need to call attention to me (as well as Keith Stone) I suppose I don't have to call attention to myself. But, I am done engaging with you in discussions since you are not interested in making any points of contention in regard to the content of the actual discussion. Smile
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8/18/2010 5:41pm
He's also raced it twice.
raddad wrote:
huck, do you know who these two (or one) guys are that you are arguing with?
Who's argueing?, and what's it of your concern who I reply to? Are you the house detective? or someone more important, like homeland security?.
Dear Keith,

How do you feel about James' fitness. Do you think he will be ready to go two full motos by Southwick?

How do you feel about his bike? Think it will allow him to finish two full motos?

What are your opinions on him not being selected for the MXdN?


We haven't heard much of your opinion on these issues. Rather, just a bunch of little jabs for those who criticize your man.


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8/18/2010 5:47pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2010 5:50pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Whats funny is I like watching Stewy ride, but I don't care if he loses to RD, RV or Scott Sheak. I don't care if races...
Whats funny is I like watching Stewy ride, but I don't care if he loses to RD, RV or Scott Sheak. I don't care if races, not races, plays video games or drives his boat in circles.
What I don't like is when people try to tear other people down.
pilotdude wrote:
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point...
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point.

Your post is a very weak defense of a guy who has gone seriously off the tracks in his career. If you can read, you will notice that my post starts out with the sentence, "Stewart's big bike record:"

So if you feel the need to put things in your response that have nothing to do with mine, that's fine. I do find it interesting that he has the most 125 wins but not the most 125 championships...I wonder why that is.

The "FIM World Supercross Championships".....ah yeah ok, if you say so.

He was NOT the 2006 or 2008 Motocross of Nations Champion, as that honor went to team USA. Stephen Everts won the 2006 MX1 individual championship. In 2008 Stewart was beaten by Pourcel's big brother for the MX1 individual title.

So really, since 2005, he has the 2008 AMA outdoor 450 title and the 2007 and 2009 supercross titles, which was exactly my point, despite your desperate attempt to obscure the truth.
P wrote:
pilotdude, you're an idiot.


P
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



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8/18/2010 5:48pm
raddad wrote:
huck, do you know who these two (or one) guys are that you are arguing with?
Who's argueing?, and what's it of your concern who I reply to? Are you the house detective? or someone more important, like homeland security?.
raddad wrote:
You sure are nervous newb, in 3-4 yrs you may get it, if you make it that long.
Raddad....he's been around a lot longer than 3-4 years. Besides P, who else hangs on JBS nuts....
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8/18/2010 5:50pm
pilotdude wrote:
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point...
Hey little boy, I noticed that you have to reach back into his amateur career and almost everything before 2005 to try to make your point.

Your post is a very weak defense of a guy who has gone seriously off the tracks in his career. If you can read, you will notice that my post starts out with the sentence, "Stewart's big bike record:"

So if you feel the need to put things in your response that have nothing to do with mine, that's fine. I do find it interesting that he has the most 125 wins but not the most 125 championships...I wonder why that is.

The "FIM World Supercross Championships".....ah yeah ok, if you say so.

He was NOT the 2006 or 2008 Motocross of Nations Champion, as that honor went to team USA. Stephen Everts won the 2006 MX1 individual championship. In 2008 Stewart was beaten by Pourcel's big brother for the MX1 individual title.

So really, since 2005, he has the 2008 AMA outdoor 450 title and the 2007 and 2009 supercross titles, which was exactly my point, despite your desperate attempt to obscure the truth.
P wrote:
pilotdude, you're an idiot.


P
pilotdude wrote:
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling. Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems...
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



Like I said before, you're an idiot.


P
8/18/2010 5:52pm
pilotdude wrote:
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling. Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems...
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



Pilotdude,

Could you do me a favor and post Ryan Villopoto's results on the 450?
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8/18/2010 5:54pm
You guys are big pee pee headsTongue
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8/18/2010 5:59pm
pilotdude wrote:
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling. Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems...
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



Spy vs Spy wrote:
Pilotdude,

Could you do me a favor and post Ryan Villopoto's results on the 450?
Sure, he's out this year with the injury from the St. Louis supercross crash...just like Stewart. You be sure to email me the link to Villopoto's reality show won't you?
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8/18/2010 5:59pm
pilotdude wrote:
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling. Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems...
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



Spy vs Spy wrote:
Pilotdude,

Could you do me a favor and post Ryan Villopoto's results on the 450?
Was this thread about RV? Nice try at a diversion though. You poor little fella..
8/18/2010 6:34pm
pilotdude wrote:
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling. Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems...
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



Spy vs Spy wrote:
Pilotdude,

Could you do me a favor and post Ryan Villopoto's results on the 450?
3D wrote:
Was this thread about RV? Nice try at a diversion though. You poor little fella..
No diversion, I have a point here in regard to the topic of James Stewart's record as a 450 rider. Pilotdude's attacking James' record as a 450 rider. It seems a little biased to me, so I am asking pilotdude to post Ryan Villopoto's 450 record as well to see how reflective he will be when it comes to a rider like RV who is obviously successful and a fan favorite.

Besides, even if I were diverting the discussion, again we see a bias. The topic (read the opening post) isn't about James' 450 record or his reality show, yet you see plenty of that being discussed, don't we? Why are you not pointing that out as well, 3D?
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8/18/2010 6:41pm
You're probably right. I lost track of all the bs on this thread and was just having fun. RV is my favorite rider and he is not doing as well as I thought he would. I hope he doesn't keep crashing out. I am the same way now with RV as I was for James when he came to the big bikes. I honestly am just dicking around. There is no way you could know that though..
8/18/2010 6:44pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2010 6:49pm
pilotdude wrote:
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling. Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems...
Well P, when the truth hurts and you're out of ammo, just start name calling.



Stewart has NO ONE to blame but himself for his problems. I'll say it again: The more I hear Stewart-arguably the most talented rider of all time- whining and crying like a little bitch, the more I admire Christophe Pourcel's comeback from devastating injury to ride and win indoors and out in the sport he loves.



I'll tell you something else too. If Stewart would tell Larry Brooks to get lost, sign with a real motocross team, and destroy the competition (and not himself) indoors and outdoors for say 3 years or so, he'd gain one hell of a lot of respect and a hell of a lot of fans. Me among them. He could retire rich, at the young age of 27-with his legacy intact.



But his current "supercross only" , "reality" show, James Stewart Entertainment, miss entire seasons due to destroying himself, whine like a bitch script is losing him fans faster than passengers jumping off the Titanic. Ooooooh but he has millions. Right. That makes everything ok. Forgot about that.



Spy vs Spy wrote:
Pilotdude,

Could you do me a favor and post Ryan Villopoto's results on the 450?
pilotdude wrote:
Sure, he's out this year with the injury from the St. Louis supercross crash...just like Stewart. You be sure to email me the link to Villopoto's...
Sure, he's out this year with the injury from the St. Louis supercross crash...just like Stewart. You be sure to email me the link to Villopoto's reality show won't you?
See above. I asked you to list his record in the 450 class. Show us his 2009 SX season, and how many races did he race the outdoors in 2009 on the 450? Why did he not race all the outdoor races in 2009? The 2010 SX season; how many races did he finish, and in what place did he come? Why was it that he didn't complete the season? Then we come to the 2010 outdoor season. How many races did he race again and why wasn't he there? Stewart, an SX only rider has already raced more 450 motos this season that RV has. So please tell me once more what your point is in regard to Stewart's 450 record?



I'd imagine if you did a ratio on these numbers against Stewart and Villopoto, that Stewart would be more "successful" in the 450 class. Ryan hasn't done all that much for the little amount of time that he has been in the 450's. Now I am not taking anything away from Ryan Villopoto, I consider him a successful and talented rider who has unfortunately been hampered with injuries. What I want to show is simply that your bias against Stewart is obvious, and you don't use the same standards across the board with other riders.
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8/18/2010 7:42pm
Spy vs Spy wrote:
Pilotdude,

Could you do me a favor and post Ryan Villopoto's results on the 450?
pilotdude wrote:
Sure, he's out this year with the injury from the St. Louis supercross crash...just like Stewart. You be sure to email me the link to Villopoto's...
Sure, he's out this year with the injury from the St. Louis supercross crash...just like Stewart. You be sure to email me the link to Villopoto's reality show won't you?
Spy vs Spy wrote:
See above. I asked you to list his record in the 450 class. Show us his 2009 SX season, and how many races did he race...
See above. I asked you to list his record in the 450 class. Show us his 2009 SX season, and how many races did he race the outdoors in 2009 on the 450? Why did he not race all the outdoor races in 2009? The 2010 SX season; how many races did he finish, and in what place did he come? Why was it that he didn't complete the season? Then we come to the 2010 outdoor season. How many races did he race again and why wasn't he there? Stewart, an SX only rider has already raced more 450 motos this season that RV has. So please tell me once more what your point is in regard to Stewart's 450 record?



I'd imagine if you did a ratio on these numbers against Stewart and Villopoto, that Stewart would be more "successful" in the 450 class. Ryan hasn't done all that much for the little amount of time that he has been in the 450's. Now I am not taking anything away from Ryan Villopoto, I consider him a successful and talented rider who has unfortunately been hampered with injuries. What I want to show is simply that your bias against Stewart is obvious, and you don't use the same standards across the board with other riders.
Hmm, strange. I was under the impression this thread was about Stewart but whatever.

Ryan Villopoto has not had nearly as successful results in the 450 class as he did in the 250 class. His rookie season in 2009 was hit and miss until near the end of the season, when he changed his trainers and got over the physical illness he had. He then won in Seattle and Las Vegas to finish his season.

In the outdoors at Glen Helen, he came from 15 seconds behind Mike Alessi, who was on a factory Suzuki 450, and passed him going away. He also won the second moto easily. During practice the next week, he agravated an old injury that had been dogging him since his mini days. Although he attempted to ride at Hangtown while still injured, he was unable to ride up to speed and withdrew for the day and for the season, opting for surgery.

In 2010, Villopoto was battling Ryan Dungey for the supercross points lead and crashed hard in St. Louis, on a jump that was widely acknowledged to be extremely unsafe and prompted widespread anger from the riders-especially Chad Reed. The same jump took out Ivan Tedesco a few laps later. Andrew Short said in his post-race interview that he was "holding his breath" every lap when going over that jump.

Villopoto broke his leg severely in the crash, putting him out for the rest of the supercross season and the 2010 outdoor 450 championship.

Due to these injuries, he has not achieved the success in the 450 class that many have thought he would. In this regard, his record his similar to Stewart's, and I will be the first to point it out.

What Villopoto has NOT done is behave in a manner that brings discredit upon himself the way Stewart has. If he does, rest assured I will point that out as well.

As for you, you are simply a defender of what most see as the bullshit it is. You are also one who tries to change the subject from what the thread is about to something else completely in a sad attempt to win an argument you've already lost.
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8/18/2010 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2010 8:32pm
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Do you call yourself a fan?
Yeah, I've been a fan of his since 2002, I love watching him ride. I think giving up because things aren't going the way you planned...
Yeah, I've been a fan of his since 2002, I love watching him ride.

I think giving up because things aren't going the way you planned, and ignoring a television reporter is lame though.

Do you think he would have pulled off the track if he was in first place?
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You don't know that he gave up because things were not going his way, that's what you are blindly assuming. Furthermore, you are taking it further...
You don't know that he gave up because things were not going his way, that's what you are blindly assuming. Furthermore, you are taking it further with your assumption because it assumes something about James' character, so it is really a veiled personal attack so don't try to give your opinions cred by claiming that you are a fan. You're quite obviously not since you are engaging in attacks of a personal nature.



As to your question that others are supposedly avoiding: Had James been in first, it is highly likely that he would have been there because he felt good on the bike and was not tired so I doubt he would have pulled. If he was in first and still felt unsafe and tired he probably would have kept going since he had something to weigh the risks with. Sitting in mid-pack, not feeling safe on the bike, and being tired is a different scenario with different options to weigh. It has nothing to do with things not going his way as much as weighing risks against rewards in a race which is not his bread and butter.
Actually, I'm not blindly assuming these things. I'm a graduate student in psychology, and also study social psychology, so I understand human behavior a little more than the average Keith-Stone.

It's really not that big of a deal he quit a race. He expected himself to be up front, but his bike wasn't set up for a true national track. His fitness also wasn't 100%, and he got a terrible start. He had a bad day and got upset. Just because he quit one race, where he had the option to do so, doesn't make him a quitter. So there's no need to get upset as devout James Stewart fan. He's crashed many times in races and worked his way back to the front. He had the option to quit this race, and he took it (to the disappointment of some fans). But so what? It's just one race...

The reason I'm lead to believe he gave up because things weren't going his way, is based on his own statements, and past history. I also find it difficult to believe Aldon Baker, of all people, would have him on a program unable to complete two motos while trying out for the Motocross Des Nations.

- James stated in a previous interview he wasn't coming back until he knew he could win.

- James has always returned to the sport from previous hiatuses prepared to dominate.

- James stated in his "Open Letter" after practice his lap times were, "just about where we expected them to be." What position did he qualify in? Oh yeah, first place.

- Then you have to ask yourself, would he have quit if he was leading, or up towards the front of the pack?

He knew good and well he wasn't 100% prepared coming into Unadilla. This was evident in his TWMX interview where he stated: "I guess I am just trying to take a little bit of the pressure off myself coming into Unadilla." All throughout that interview, he was taking pressure off of himself, and being realistic about the context of the situation (coming off an injury). Larry Brooks also talked about in the podcast, how they had to be realistic about the weekend. He probably expected to either win or at least run up front (judging by his statement in his Open Letter). But to be stuck in the back of the pack, when he knows he has the ability to run up towards the front had to be extremely upsetting for him, and there's nothing wrong with being human and having emotions.

Despite that, he still wanted to win! When has James Stewart ever NOT wanted to win? He's the, "I'm gonna win, or die trying" guy right? Did he ride conservatively in the first moto? Hell no! He was riding the wheels off his Yamaha trying to catch the new Sheriff in town on the yellow bike. He also seemed somewhat disappointed after the first moto, which is understandable considering the whole MXdN thing.. But I'm willing to bet had he won, we probably would have seen that big signature James Stewart smile we're accustom to.

The fact he stonewalled Erin Bates also says a lot. He's there to represent his sponsors and race for his fans right? That's what he said anyways. Why would someone turn down an opportunity to represent their sponsors on live television? Especially if he was emotionally calm from exiting the track due to fatigue. This is the first time I can ever recall that happening in motocross, and a pretty good indicator that he was having a high emotional reaction (e.g., storming Reed's pits and pushing over his bike) - and not in a positive way. During the 2009 A1 interview, when he was pissed from crashing with Reed (totally understandable) Erin barley got an interview with him there, and probably would have failed to get one if it wasn't for her ability to catch him walking back to the semi inside the stadium.

If it was some calm rational decision of, "Oh, I'm too tired to finish." Or, "Oh my bike is too jacked up to finish." kind of decision, he would have more than likely been emotionally calm, and spoke with Erin Bates.

What can we conclude from this? James Stewart has high standards for himself, no matter what the situation, and he highly desires to meet them. He hates to lose, loves to win, and he expects to win when he lines up on the gate (even if him and his bike are not 100% race ready). This is not a bad characteristic to have, and if he didn't have such a huge drive to win, he might not be sitting where he is today with 10-million dollar a year contracts.
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8/18/2010 7:58pm
Its obvious there will be no end to this argument, you guys can go on forever. So the 10 page dumbgeon rule should be coming into effect at any time.
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8/18/2010 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2010 8:25pm
I'm throwing in the towel. The past two days on this message board have been the biggest waste of my life, ever! Then again, I don't have a job (applying), and class just started today. I am looking forward to the next 3 rounds of motocross though!
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8/18/2010 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/18/2010 8:13pm
Can't we at least agree James is mega talented (most talented in my book), and that it's pretty damn cool to see him RIDING FUCKING MOTOCROSS AGAIN!!! I'm not a religious guy at all. But thank God for this! Smile



Sorry for the fuck thing, but this is really the perfect example where swearing is totally ok! Wink
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DrSweden wrote:
Can't we at least agree James is mega talented (most talented in my book), and that it's pretty damn cool to see him RIDING FUCKING MOTOCROSS...
Can't we at least agree James is mega talented (most talented in my book), and that it's pretty damn cool to see him RIDING FUCKING MOTOCROSS AGAIN!!! I'm not a religious guy at all. But thank God for this! Smile



Sorry for the fuck thing, but this is really the perfect example where swearing is totally ok! Wink
X2!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

I mean, X7!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
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8/18/2010 8:53pm
X2!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

I mean, X7!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
Yeah!
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8/18/2010 10:09pm
raddad wrote:
huck, do you know who these two (or one) guys are that you are arguing with?
Who's argueing?, and what's it of your concern who I reply to? Are you the house detective? or someone more important, like homeland security?.
raddad wrote:
You sure are nervous newb, in 3-4 yrs you may get it, if you make it that long.
About as nervous as you are paranoid

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