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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:49pm
was he tired? Slight mechanical issue? Tipover?
All of a sudden he was running 2:16's and Pourcel was running 2:13 & 14.

That surprised me.


But it was a good race for sure.
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Platform Industries 8/15/2010 6:11am
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I believe Pourcel was just faster. I was there watching and he just had this ridiculous confidence that he was going to catch and beat Canard.

At the halfway point, he looked over at his mechanic and gave the thumbs-up. I think that was his way of saying, "Here I go". When he passed Canard, he gave him a little wave.

Dude was pumped after finish, too!
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Platform Industries wrote:
I believe Pourcel was just faster. I was there watching and he just had this ridiculous confidence that he was going to catch and beat Canard...
I believe Pourcel was just faster. I was there watching and he just had this ridiculous confidence that he was going to catch and beat Canard.

At the halfway point, he looked over at his mechanic and gave the thumbs-up. I think that was his way of saying, "Here I go". When he passed Canard, he gave him a little wave.

Dude was pumped after finish, too!
Gave him a little wave? Pretty cocky for a guy who has a hard time putting two good motos together on the same day, and who had an insurmoutable points lead one month ago and now has 16 points with 6 motos left. According to history, CP has one good moto per day in him - since he didn't ride much of the first moto at Unadilla, his good moto was moto 2.

Canard pulled 22 points from CP yesterday. Maybe Trey should have given Pourcel a little wave when he got in the rental car and left the track for the airport. But Trey Canard isn't that kind of guy.
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GuyB 8/15/2010 6:31am
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Trey said that he was making some mistakes, and that Pourcel had some really good lines.

Trey also rolled over to him after the finish line to congratulate him.

After losing over half his points lead, I think Christophe Pourcel was just a little motivated in moto two.

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burnside 8/15/2010 6:36am
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Can't wait to see this second moto.. He looked a right state after his crash in moto 1 so thats awesome he came back to win moto 2... Ride of a champion by the sounds of it!
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looneytune 8/15/2010 6:40am
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I figured Pourcel would be fast in the 2nd moto since he was out of the first one early. From where I was standing at the track, it looked like CP made up most of time because of lappers. I saw Canard have to fight his way through the lap traffic, probably because they didn't know the leader was behind them or were battling for position themselves. Once Canard was through, it was like oh shit, theres the leader, they would move over and CP would fly right by them. I could think of one lap where CP made up huge time coming out of Gravity Cavity and around the next few turns where the track got real tight and heads downhill. Canard had to wait for lappers in the corner and CP pulled right up on his rear bumper. After CP passed him, Canard made a big mistake on the last lap and then just kind of cruised to second. No sense going down and giving points back. Can't wait to see it on TV today so I can see the whole track. First time I was at the track. Racing was awesome, disappointed in the way things are run. I guess I'm used to NASCAR and NHRA National events. MX has light years to go.
wired4speed 8/15/2010 6:43am
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Got to give it to Pourcel. Canard looked strong for most of the race even while Pourcel was picking off riders. It looked like Canard had something for Pourcel on the last lap. Great race!
wired4speed 8/15/2010 6:57am
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I figured Pourcel would be fast in the 2nd moto since he was out of the first one early. From where I was standing at the...
I figured Pourcel would be fast in the 2nd moto since he was out of the first one early. From where I was standing at the track, it looked like CP made up most of time because of lappers. I saw Canard have to fight his way through the lap traffic, probably because they didn't know the leader was behind them or were battling for position themselves. Once Canard was through, it was like oh shit, theres the leader, they would move over and CP would fly right by them. I could think of one lap where CP made up huge time coming out of Gravity Cavity and around the next few turns where the track got real tight and heads downhill. Canard had to wait for lappers in the corner and CP pulled right up on his rear bumper. After CP passed him, Canard made a big mistake on the last lap and then just kind of cruised to second. No sense going down and giving points back. Can't wait to see it on TV today so I can see the whole track. First time I was at the track. Racing was awesome, disappointed in the way things are run. I guess I'm used to NASCAR and NHRA National events. MX has light years to go.
Nascar is a lot better. I went to the Pocono race a few times. It was great!!! I watched little specs of colored cars from the back stretch about a half mile away. The 1st turn was 1 mile away. I got to sit down in one spot where people say it's better to be up and farther back from the track to get a better view. I politely asked the man next to me to put out his cigar. I figured if we were going to rub our thighs together while glued to our assigned seats it's the least he could do. Sorry about MX being light years away from NASCAR. Did you also torture yourself and get a pit pass? Sucks when young kids can actually meet the riders. What's even worse is that the winners circle is stuck in a place where the fans can view the podium speeches without binoculars! I would rather sit back in my assigned seat and listen to the loudspeaker annoucer interview the winner.
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looneytune 8/15/2010 7:30am
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I figured Pourcel would be fast in the 2nd moto since he was out of the first one early. From where I was standing at the...
I figured Pourcel would be fast in the 2nd moto since he was out of the first one early. From where I was standing at the track, it looked like CP made up most of time because of lappers. I saw Canard have to fight his way through the lap traffic, probably because they didn't know the leader was behind them or were battling for position themselves. Once Canard was through, it was like oh shit, theres the leader, they would move over and CP would fly right by them. I could think of one lap where CP made up huge time coming out of Gravity Cavity and around the next few turns where the track got real tight and heads downhill. Canard had to wait for lappers in the corner and CP pulled right up on his rear bumper. After CP passed him, Canard made a big mistake on the last lap and then just kind of cruised to second. No sense going down and giving points back. Can't wait to see it on TV today so I can see the whole track. First time I was at the track. Racing was awesome, disappointed in the way things are run. I guess I'm used to NASCAR and NHRA National events. MX has light years to go.
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Nascar is a lot better. I went to the Pocono race a few times. It was great!!! I watched little specs of colored cars from the...
Nascar is a lot better. I went to the Pocono race a few times. It was great!!! I watched little specs of colored cars from the back stretch about a half mile away. The 1st turn was 1 mile away. I got to sit down in one spot where people say it's better to be up and farther back from the track to get a better view. I politely asked the man next to me to put out his cigar. I figured if we were going to rub our thighs together while glued to our assigned seats it's the least he could do. Sorry about MX being light years away from NASCAR. Did you also torture yourself and get a pit pass? Sucks when young kids can actually meet the riders. What's even worse is that the winners circle is stuck in a place where the fans can view the podium speeches without binoculars! I would rather sit back in my assigned seat and listen to the loudspeaker annoucer interview the winner.
Have you ever been to an NHRA National event? The pit pass is included in the ticket! It's all acess, all day, not from 9am -noon. You could actually talked to the drivers. They didn't hide. I also stood on the race track after the NHRA race in Las Vegas for the winners circle. So yeah, you can get close at other forms of racing. We hung around JS7s trailer all day for my nephew, and barely say him. Never once saw him sign an autograph. I had to wait in line with one person taking tickets to get in. The same line everyone else had to stand in to buy theirs when I had already pre-paid and printed mine on a stupid sheet of paper. I could have easily forged all of our tickets and just paid for one for the 3 of us that entered. Getting my pit pass required another line and then you had to sign the waiver. Problem is the waiver isn't at the window, some young girl with a crowd surrounding her has the only one. We waited in line only to be told we had to sign the waiver first. How about a sign letting us this? So yeah, I tortured myself for a pit pass.
They ran out of the best tee shirts by noon. Thanks, I was in the pits until then. Speaking of shirts, nobody sells them but the track? They are missing out on so much money if the actual teams would sell them, I would have bought a Geico or Honda Red Bull shirt, but there aren't any available. People are always bitching about sponsorship money, there is a ton of revenue for sponsors available in T shirt sales. I can buy shirts from local drag racers, but I can't buy one from a National MX event? It would be a great way to help offset the cost of those big, shiney trailers. No maufacturers midway? I was looking to buy tires and my friend was looking for a pipe for his bike. We were told there would be a ton of this stuff there. There was nothing, unless I missed it. I don't know how I could of. So that's what I'm talking about. I have been to different forms of racing all over the country, I just expected a little more. I thought the racing and people were awesome. Go watch a NHRA race in Norwalk Ohio and let me know what you think. I think you be suprised. It isn't hard to improve on a ton of stuff at the track. Next year I will know what to expect and will be prepared for it.
wired4speed 8/15/2010 8:02am
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I understand the difference between NHRA and NASCAR. You made some great points as far as merchandise goes. Not sure why there isn't more product selections. It seems like there were less choices of shirts, hats and bike products as in past years. The pit access does give you just that. However, that is all that is guaranteed. Autographs can also get tricky if some teams op for handing out a limited # of tickets for signing sessions. With that said, Motocross is affordable and you will get a front row seat. That's light years ahead of NASCAR. Now if we could just get those f#@ked up banners and circus Lucus balloons taken down we would be billions of light years ahead of NASCAR.
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wired4speed wrote:
I understand the difference between NHRA and NASCAR. You made some great points as far as merchandise goes. Not sure why there isn't more product selections...
I understand the difference between NHRA and NASCAR. You made some great points as far as merchandise goes. Not sure why there isn't more product selections. It seems like there were less choices of shirts, hats and bike products as in past years. The pit access does give you just that. However, that is all that is guaranteed. Autographs can also get tricky if some teams op for handing out a limited # of tickets for signing sessions. With that said, Motocross is affordable and you will get a front row seat. That's light years ahead of NASCAR. Now if we could just get those f#@ked up banners and circus Lucus balloons taken down we would be billions of light years ahead of NASCAR.
In regards to more products and merchandise being available, I also feel that there is a big opportunity being missed by the promoters, teams, track management and the industry. We looked into setting up a 10' X 10' canopy at Washougal this year and the cost was $3000. For us it just didn't make sense. I did see a one man graphics company there doing jersey lettering etc in a space that was twice the size of what we inquired about and I know there is no way he could have pumped out enough printing to cover the cost to be there, so maybe you have to write a large portion of the cost off to advertising / PR?.

I also felt that having the pits open from 9-noon didn't make sense as that is when practice is going on and the pits are generally empty, however after spending the day with the GEICO- Factory Connection Team, I don't see any other way to do it as there is a hell of a lot more going on behind the scenes than I would have imagined with very little down time during the day.
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swizcore 8/15/2010 9:22am
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I dont think Pourcel has ever rode harder in the US than moto 2 yesterday. He was PUMPED when he whipped it over the finish line and was bouncing off the rev limiter like Barcia.
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burnside 8/15/2010 9:49am
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Hope someone uploads this moto! Smile
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mx 219 8/15/2010 10:33am
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`ol Ger wrote:
was he tired? Slight mechanical issue? Tipover? All of a sudden he was running 2:16's and Pourcel was running 2:13 & 14. That surprised me. But...
was he tired? Slight mechanical issue? Tipover?
All of a sudden he was running 2:16's and Pourcel was running 2:13 & 14.

That surprised me.


But it was a good race for sure.
After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel:

1) Lappers were in the way like crazy. Canard couldnt catch a break from the lappers, they were constantly in the way. And after watching the 1st moto on the allisports I saw it was bad then too. Didnt realize how bad it was 1st moto when I was at the track.

2) Pourcel did 3-4 laps in the 1st moto. He had plenty of energy to race after not even doing 1/4 of moto 1.

3) It's Pourcel's best track; there's no denying that after watching him take the boys to the woodshead and beat 'em last year(including Dungey). He just knows how to find his way around the GP-style track of Unadilla.

4) Canard rode HARD that whole 1st moto. From tracking down Barcia to being pushed by Wharton. He wasn't able to conserve energy at all racing the 1st moto. Had he been able to save energy he might have held Pourcel off for the last lap and 1/4...i didnt see where Pourcel got by him.

THe first 2 are IMO the biggest contributors to Pourcel's moto 2 victory though.
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Nick 728 8/15/2010 11:07am
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Platform Industries wrote:
I believe Pourcel was just faster. I was there watching and he just had this ridiculous confidence that he was going to catch and beat Canard...
I believe Pourcel was just faster. I was there watching and he just had this ridiculous confidence that he was going to catch and beat Canard.

At the halfway point, he looked over at his mechanic and gave the thumbs-up. I think that was his way of saying, "Here I go". When he passed Canard, he gave him a little wave.

Dude was pumped after finish, too!
Pourcel is waving his championship goodbye. I think he should be more worried about his fittness and consistency instead of being a cocky showboat who has not hardly won a race this year I think he has one win to Canards four and he has threw away a fifty point lead. I am really impressed with Treys maturity not to push himself against a rider who was fresher and faster than him at that time , there is no need for him to throw away the points he has made up .
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Thanks.
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burnside wrote:
Hope someone uploads this moto! Smile
Why? It's on SpeedTV right now.
DanDunes818 8/15/2010 2:24pm
8/15/2010 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2010 2:25pm
Incredible ride by Pourcel. I agree with the poster that said it was the hardest he'd ever seen Pourcel ride. Desire Desire Desire. He knew he couldn't let Canard win that moto. That moto could have very well been the Championship winning moto IMO. If he lets Canard get all those points and continue the momentum it could have been lights out.



I also liked seeing Pourcel being so friendly with Canards mom on the podium after the race. They seemed like they had a genuine like for one another. Momma Canard just seems like a great lady in general though.

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Incredible ride by Pourcel. I agree with the poster that said it was the hardest he'd ever seen Pourcel ride. Desire Desire Desire. He knew he...
Incredible ride by Pourcel. I agree with the poster that said it was the hardest he'd ever seen Pourcel ride. Desire Desire Desire. He knew he couldn't let Canard win that moto. That moto could have very well been the Championship winning moto IMO. If he lets Canard get all those points and continue the momentum it could have been lights out.



I also liked seeing Pourcel being so friendly with Canards mom on the podium after the race. They seemed like they had a genuine like for one another. Momma Canard just seems like a great lady in general though.
She is. And it shows in her sons.
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After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel: 1)...
After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel:

1) Lappers were in the way like crazy. Canard couldnt catch a break from the lappers, they were constantly in the way. And after watching the 1st moto on the allisports I saw it was bad then too. Didnt realize how bad it was 1st moto when I was at the track.

2) Pourcel did 3-4 laps in the 1st moto. He had plenty of energy to race after not even doing 1/4 of moto 1.

3) It's Pourcel's best track; there's no denying that after watching him take the boys to the woodshead and beat 'em last year(including Dungey). He just knows how to find his way around the GP-style track of Unadilla.

4) Canard rode HARD that whole 1st moto. From tracking down Barcia to being pushed by Wharton. He wasn't able to conserve energy at all racing the 1st moto. Had he been able to save energy he might have held Pourcel off for the last lap and 1/4...i didnt see where Pourcel got by him.

THe first 2 are IMO the biggest contributors to Pourcel's moto 2 victory though.
The first 2? You guys amaze me, the reason Pourcel won is that he is flat out faster than Trey.

Imagine if the roles were reversed. Canard coming from 8 place, posting the fastest lap and make the pass for the lead at the last lap. You guys would be calling him iron man, especially after highsiding 4th gear wideopen and destroying the bike in moto 1 and yet line up for moto 2.

I would rather ride a 30 min moto as warmup for moto 2 then take a big crash and being on painkillers.
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SMITH201 8/15/2010 2:57pm
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That just Pourcel's track! He rides that track as if he is the one who designed it Smile Even when he moves to the 450s next year he will without a doubt be the favorite to win that race, even if he has been off the pace on all the races before.
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mx 219 wrote:
After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel: 1)...
After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel:

1) Lappers were in the way like crazy. Canard couldnt catch a break from the lappers, they were constantly in the way. And after watching the 1st moto on the allisports I saw it was bad then too. Didnt realize how bad it was 1st moto when I was at the track.

2) Pourcel did 3-4 laps in the 1st moto. He had plenty of energy to race after not even doing 1/4 of moto 1.

3) It's Pourcel's best track; there's no denying that after watching him take the boys to the woodshead and beat 'em last year(including Dungey). He just knows how to find his way around the GP-style track of Unadilla.

4) Canard rode HARD that whole 1st moto. From tracking down Barcia to being pushed by Wharton. He wasn't able to conserve energy at all racing the 1st moto. Had he been able to save energy he might have held Pourcel off for the last lap and 1/4...i didnt see where Pourcel got by him.

THe first 2 are IMO the biggest contributors to Pourcel's moto 2 victory though.
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The first 2? You guys amaze me, the reason Pourcel won is that he is flat out faster than Trey. Imagine if the roles were reversed...
The first 2? You guys amaze me, the reason Pourcel won is that he is flat out faster than Trey.

Imagine if the roles were reversed. Canard coming from 8 place, posting the fastest lap and make the pass for the lead at the last lap. You guys would be calling him iron man, especially after highsiding 4th gear wideopen and destroying the bike in moto 1 and yet line up for moto 2.

I would rather ride a 30 min moto as warmup for moto 2 then take a big crash and being on painkillers.
4th gear pinned? Didn't he wreck coming out of a turn? It sure looked like it to me. And I seriously doubt that coming out of a turn he was pinned in 4th gear. I know he's good but 4th gear pinned out of a turn??
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I didn't see Pourcel wave when he passed Trey, he just looked over at him. His hands never came off the bars.
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I didn't see Pourcel wave when he passed Trey, he just looked over at him. His hands never came off the bars.
That's because you weren't there and the cameras don't show every single thing that happens.
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Platform Industries wrote:
That's because you weren't there and the cameras don't show every single thing that happens.
Just exactly where did he wave at him?
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mx 219 8/15/2010 4:58pm
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mx 219 wrote:
After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel: 1)...
After being at the race I'm gonna say there wasnt't much Canard could do. 4 things contributed to that come from behind victory for Pourcel:

1) Lappers were in the way like crazy. Canard couldnt catch a break from the lappers, they were constantly in the way. And after watching the 1st moto on the allisports I saw it was bad then too. Didnt realize how bad it was 1st moto when I was at the track.

2) Pourcel did 3-4 laps in the 1st moto. He had plenty of energy to race after not even doing 1/4 of moto 1.

3) It's Pourcel's best track; there's no denying that after watching him take the boys to the woodshead and beat 'em last year(including Dungey). He just knows how to find his way around the GP-style track of Unadilla.

4) Canard rode HARD that whole 1st moto. From tracking down Barcia to being pushed by Wharton. He wasn't able to conserve energy at all racing the 1st moto. Had he been able to save energy he might have held Pourcel off for the last lap and 1/4...i didnt see where Pourcel got by him.

THe first 2 are IMO the biggest contributors to Pourcel's moto 2 victory though.
johansen wrote:
The first 2? You guys amaze me, the reason Pourcel won is that he is flat out faster than Trey. Imagine if the roles were reversed...
The first 2? You guys amaze me, the reason Pourcel won is that he is flat out faster than Trey.

Imagine if the roles were reversed. Canard coming from 8 place, posting the fastest lap and make the pass for the lead at the last lap. You guys would be calling him iron man, especially after highsiding 4th gear wideopen and destroying the bike in moto 1 and yet line up for moto 2.

I would rather ride a 30 min moto as warmup for moto 2 then take a big crash and being on painkillers.
It's not a warmup when your riding hard the entire 1st moto. Had he been able to slow down some, maybe but he was riding hard the entire moto DRAINING ENERGY...you can't tell me that Pourcel didnt have more energy towards the end of moto 2. The adrenaline can take away some of the pain(if any he endured, I question how he is always injured every time something goes wrong). You can fade away the pain if your adrenaline is rushing, cant make up for lost energy in the middle of a moto though.
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That's because you weren't there and the cameras don't show every single thing that happens.
kardy wrote:
Just exactly where did he wave at him?
Coming through the mechanics area.

He also threw a thumbs up to his mechanic at about the halfway point while he was grabbing a tear off. It kind of looked like he was saying, "Okay, here I go!"
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HOLY SHIT - POURCEL!!!

What a ride. I just watched the moto. Unreal. One of the best motos in a long time.

Both almost threw it away coming out of screw you.
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HOLY SHIT - POURCEL!!! What a ride. I just watched the moto. Unreal. One of the best motos in a long time. Both almost threw it...
HOLY SHIT - POURCEL!!!

What a ride. I just watched the moto. Unreal. One of the best motos in a long time.

Both almost threw it away coming out of screw you.
Yeah they both looked like it was going south coming up and over that jump.
Pourcel was definitely finding better lines in that moto.

Both of those 250 motos were excellent races to watch.

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