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8/5/2010 11:52am
jesspapp wrote:
they are banking ...whiie 15th thru 40th struggle with $$..very sad...been the same for ever my dad says..
Lots of money comes thru the gates then 75% goes to one place. The other 25% is split amongst lots and lots of people!
they cant make a living? would your dad do it for free? as for DC, it cant be easy to run a Amateur national, a race track, and an pro national series. im sure they work more hours than anyone on this board and give up alot of family time in the process. atleast DC and mxsports offer a pro payout unlike the GP's........
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8/5/2010 12:02pm
downandup wrote:
You need to ask "why" don't they make more? The other sports all have, for want of a better word, "unions" that get them what they...
You need to ask "why" don't they make more?

The other sports all have, for want of a better word, "unions" that get them what they need; insurance, higher pay, etc....

If mx and sx want more coin, they are going to have to put their heads together and claim some of that gate money from the promoters!
NASCAR does not have a union.
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downandup wrote:
You need to ask "why" don't they make more? The other sports all have, for want of a better word, "unions" that get them what they...
You need to ask "why" don't they make more?

The other sports all have, for want of a better word, "unions" that get them what they need; insurance, higher pay, etc....

If mx and sx want more coin, they are going to have to put their heads together and claim some of that gate money from the promoters!
NASCAR does not have a union.
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8/5/2010 12:03pm
adamdf wrote:
how come someone hasn't said "none of your business" yet? lol
Where's huck?
I googled it and it definitely says that Huck is making the money.

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8/5/2010 12:11pm
prozach wrote:
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and...
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and get a normal job making slightly over the median U.S. income for a single person of $40,000.
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college Bachelor level....its sad, just sad. Seems college is the equivalent of high school these days and graduate school is where college was 15 years ago.
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8/5/2010 12:18pm
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college...
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college Bachelor level....its sad, just sad. Seems college is the equivalent of high school these days and graduate school is where college was 15 years ago.
Unfortunately your correct.... I graduated wth a bachelor's just about two years ago and was lucky to find a job paying 40k in an industry I have little intrest in. I have friends that graduated the same time to still working restraunt jobs unable to find decent work.

The whole economy is down not just MX, anyone able to make enough money to live and do what they love should be stoked.

I agree that the top 100 riders in the US should be making enough to survive without having some sort of sumplimentary income i.e. extra job, parents money. But they are not the only one's hurting, At least they get to twist the trottle whenever they want.
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8/5/2010 12:22pm
BobbyM wrote:
how much does lugo make?
Trip wrote:
How much does DC make?
jesspapp wrote:
they are banking ...whiie 15th thru 40th struggle with $$..very sad...been the same for ever my dad says..
welcome back, havent seen u in a while
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8/5/2010 12:23pm
jesspapp wrote:
they are banking ...whiie 15th thru 40th struggle with $$..very sad...been the same for ever my dad says..
Lots of money comes thru the gates then 75% goes to one place. The other 25% is split amongst lots and lots of people!
bobby397 wrote:
they cant make a living? would your dad do it for free? as for DC, it cant be easy to run a Amateur national, a race...
they cant make a living? would your dad do it for free? as for DC, it cant be easy to run a Amateur national, a race track, and an pro national series. im sure they work more hours than anyone on this board and give up alot of family time in the process. atleast DC and mxsports offer a pro payout unlike the GP's........
I don't believe DC is getting rich off of the Nationals. I believe it costs a fortune to make them happen and everyone is left fighting for crumbs!
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8/5/2010 12:30pm
This pay scale is what makes me LOL and shake my head every time I see someone dump all over initiatives to broaden the appeal of the sport.
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Racing isn't a secure living...it never will be. Riders go out and do their best, and some make it and are set for life, while others put everything they have into it and come out with nothing.

And lets look at it another way... If I were running a team I sure as hell wouldn't spend $200k on a rider that couldn't break into the top 10. You add that salary to the rest of the costs for each rider (bikes, travel, mechanic) and the cost of running a team and it would be out of control.

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8/5/2010 1:04pm
So if the top 10 in each class make good money, that sounds ok to me. How much money does the 21st ranked american pro tennis...
So if the top 10 in each class make good money, that sounds ok to me.

How much money does the 21st ranked american pro tennis, cyclist, iron man, surfer, ski/snowboarder, mountain biker make.

My guess is that they don't make a lot either but if they can improve by a few small %, then its pay day.
txrider44 wrote:
The 21th ranked tennis player has made $644,000 in earnings in 2010. The 21st ranked golfer in the pga has made $1.8 million in earnings in...
The 21th ranked tennis player has made $644,000 in earnings in 2010. The 21st ranked golfer in the pga has made $1.8 million in earnings in 2010. The 21st ranked driver in nascar earned $4.3 million in earnings in 2009.
I love this. Shows you how sad this sport has it money wise.
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On the tennis, golf & nascar thing.
Think about the risk and how much shorter an mx guys career is compared to them too.
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8/5/2010 1:25pm
prozach wrote:
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and...
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and get a normal job making slightly over the median U.S. income for a single person of $40,000.
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college...
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college Bachelor level....its sad, just sad. Seems college is the equivalent of high school these days and graduate school is where college was 15 years ago.
The median starting salary at my school is 55k... With a a roughly 80% hiring rate within 6 months of graduation. Spending your money on a great school is a far better choice than blowing it all chasing a moto career!
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8/5/2010 1:49pm
Yes those that luv the sport , race and ride surely do not do it for the money. That does not mean that those that choose it as a profession should not be compensated at least to be able to race and train full time.On the National MX/SX level. All those other "sports" have a much larger fan base. They also share in TV and product endorsement. It may not be fair but on another level it keeps it 90% pure. You have to really love it to do it. If I had the skills and the drive to compete at the Pro level you would not have to pay me. Nobody is paying me now and it's draining my bank account.lol And I suck! I think the top 30 guys should be able to make a living racing. They should form some type of partnership as far as logistics getting to the races. Sharing resources. It sucks you see the difference it makes when a rider gets bumped up to a factory ride. His results get better. So you can't say that it does not make a difference with the money.Just say'n
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8/5/2010 8:39pm
mxnick wrote:
Comparing MX to tennis or Nascar does not really work so well. Its like comparing a little bottle rocket to a nuclear bomb. That said, here...
Comparing MX to tennis or Nascar does not really work so well. Its like comparing a little bottle rocket to a nuclear bomb.



That said, here is an article about what the MotoGP boys make, which is only slightly more relevant.



http://www.gpone.com/...i-piloti-motogp.html



in digesting this info, it is important to take into account the amount of people watching the races in Europe on a regular basis, which is huge - almost to Nascar levels.



Most of the money in MX and SX as it pertains to rider salary's STILL comes from the very generous OEM's. With the OEM's sales being off by well over 50% from the 2006/7 highs, it is easy to understand why salaries have been dropping. Until companies come in and contract direct with riders for big numbers (like Dungey with Target), OEM's will hold the cards and control who makes good money. I think everyone in the sport is working towards growing this, but it takes time and lots of work.

Wow..
Nicky Hayden isn't even on the list?
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So if the top 10 in each class make good money, that sounds ok to me. How much money does the 21st ranked american pro tennis...
So if the top 10 in each class make good money, that sounds ok to me.

How much money does the 21st ranked american pro tennis, cyclist, iron man, surfer, ski/snowboarder, mountain biker make.

My guess is that they don't make a lot either but if they can improve by a few small %, then its pay day.
txrider44 wrote:
The 21th ranked tennis player has made $644,000 in earnings in 2010. The 21st ranked golfer in the pga has made $1.8 million in earnings in...
The 21th ranked tennis player has made $644,000 in earnings in 2010. The 21st ranked golfer in the pga has made $1.8 million in earnings in 2010. The 21st ranked driver in nascar earned $4.3 million in earnings in 2009.
Zildjian wrote:
I love this. Shows you how sad this sport has it money wise.
George Sotiropoulos made $24,000 for beating Kurt Pelligrino at UFC 116. $12,000 of that was win bonus. And he's one of the top 10 lightweight fighters in the world.
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BobbyM wrote:
how much does lugo make?
In the late 70's/early 80's I saw wheelborrows of "cash" sent out of the gate admission trailer. RC oversaw it (no, not Ricky Carmichael)

It really is one of the last "cash" big business's
10,000 folks through the front gate-OK...we lied......prove it, X $100 for the full weekend with vehicles....that's an underestimate.

Seriously, when is the last time you swiped your debit/credt card to sign up? It's mostly cash..ching...ching

All the way to the bank.
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It was a national which i was refering to by the way, and Lugo's an idiot.
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prozach wrote:
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and...
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and get a normal job making slightly over the median U.S. income for a single person of $40,000.
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college...
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college Bachelor level....its sad, just sad. Seems college is the equivalent of high school these days and graduate school is where college was 15 years ago.
mxbile131 wrote:
The median starting salary at my school is 55k... With a a roughly 80% hiring rate within 6 months of graduation. Spending your money on a...
The median starting salary at my school is 55k... With a a roughly 80% hiring rate within 6 months of graduation. Spending your money on a great school is a far better choice than blowing it all chasing a moto career!
I never chased a moto career....Went to cal state long beach got a bachelors in business finance on the deans list ....basically I REALLY learned the stuff, I worked at a dealership for all 4 years at 40-50 hours a week on top of full time school just to pay for school and living expenses since I moved over 400 miles from home so in essence I DID spend the money on a good school and worked my ass off to be all I was told I could be with college however it's not all monkeys dancing with banannas and getting a job paying over 50k straight out of school is near impossible unless you are an engineer doctor pharmacist or lawyer, all of which require graduate school OR 3-5 YEARS in the field to be certified to get that good salary so there isn't really much truth to schools hiring salaries....you get a job making 35k directly out of school and you are doing well.....

Dont let the school statistics fool you into thinking that their graduates make more because the numbers are likely inflated or exaggerated greatly because it is like advertising and gets students to come to your school and also it makes the school look more prestigious. All college shows is that you are capable of learning a semi complex material and are able to follow direction and that is what employers are looking for. Plus with the way capatilism is run as soon as most are qualified to move up they are replaced with another graduate to keep overhead down ....now that isnt 100% of the cases but sadly it is a majority of them....wish I would've known then because I would've chosen a major based on money and not something I liked to learn....the college system is a mess nowadays.
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prozach wrote:
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and...
16-18 year old kids making six figures is pretty good if you ask me. They could go to college for 4 years graduate at 23 and get a normal job making slightly over the median U.S. income for a single person of $40,000.
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college...
Out of college with that kind of money?.....Not anymore they can't, most would be lucky to start out over 25k a year even at the college Bachelor level....its sad, just sad. Seems college is the equivalent of high school these days and graduate school is where college was 15 years ago.
mxbile131 wrote:
The median starting salary at my school is 55k... With a a roughly 80% hiring rate within 6 months of graduation. Spending your money on a...
The median starting salary at my school is 55k... With a a roughly 80% hiring rate within 6 months of graduation. Spending your money on a great school is a far better choice than blowing it all chasing a moto career!
I never chased a moto career....Went to cal state long beach got a bachelors in business finance on the deans list ....basically I REALLY learned the stuff, I worked at a dealership for all 4 years at 40-50 hours a week on top of full time school just to pay for school and living expenses since I moved over 400 miles from home so in essence I DID spend the money on a good school and worked my ass off to be all I was told I could be with college however it's not all monkeys dancing with banannas and getting a job paying over 50k straight out of school is near impossible unless you are an engineer doctor pharmacist or lawyer, all of which require graduate school OR 3-5 YEARS in the field to be certified to get that good salary so there isn't really much truth to schools hiring salaries....you get a job making 35k directly out of school and you are doing well.....

Dont let the school statistics fool you into thinking that their graduates make more because the numbers are likely inflated or exaggerated greatly because it is like advertising and gets students to come to your school and also it makes the school look more prestigious. All college shows is that you are capable of learning a semi complex material and are able to follow direction and that is what employers are looking for. Plus with the way capatilism is run as soon as most are qualified to move up they are replaced with another graduate to keep overhead down ....now that isnt 100% of the cases but sadly it is a majority of them....wish I would've known then because I would've chosen a major based on money and not something I liked to learn....the college system is a mess nowadays.
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does anyone actually know riders salaries or are you just talking out of your asses?
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I dont know what the factory guys get but im a privateer and I know a lot of us struggle to make it to the races. Most of us lose money but keep going because we love to race. I had some help during SX and didnt have to pay to get to the races but I still lost money cause of entry fee prices. Its $200 to sign up and if you make the show in the lites class and finish 6th or worse in the lcq you make $230.
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8/6/2010 10:20am Edited Date/Time 8/6/2010 10:22am
A lot of you are forgetting most of the money they make is through endorsments....There is an old article on MXLARGE that gives a break down of the money and just about everyone inside the top 20 is making a decent living....Also didn't T Hahn just take home 50,000 for Privateer of the Year....That is more than i make in a year..so i would say they are not doing to bad...Do a lot of privateers struggle..sure but for the most part if your fast your getting paid
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Id' say the rider(s) are making what they or their agent has worked out with their employer .NO different from any other job.

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Id' say the rider(s) are making what they or their agent has worked out with their employer .NO different from any other job.

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http://www.mxlarge.com/news/4077-across-the-atlantic-searle-and-anstie-…

Of course these two are not the only two riders from America who will be coming back to race Grand Prix Motocross. With the current recession in America that golden goose of high wages in America is now a thing of the past and while the top few names in USA might make great money, the guys around 5th to 10th place in both Motocross and Lites are struggling to earn the sort of living they are used to. Pit Beirer summed it up in his interview at MXlarge when he mentioned the crazy payment system in America. Here is a short comment from Beirer.
Beirer: It isn’t so easy, because salaries for the top riders in America are really high. It’s crazy; you don’t have a mid range like in Europe. In the World Motocross Championship we have a lot of riders who make good money, but in America it is like the top riders make really good money, but the next level don’t make hardly any money. I would say the top five guys are making money in America. For a number seven guy you have the same cost for the bikes, mechanics and that type of thing, but with the second level guy you can never win, you can’t show how good you are, so we have to eventually enter the level of the very top guys.
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line-up wrote:
http://www.mxlarge.com/news/4077-across-the-atlantic-searle-and-anstie-will-be-welcome [b]Of course these two are not the only two riders from America who will be coming back to race Grand Prix Motocross. With the current...
http://www.mxlarge.com/news/4077-across-the-atlantic-searle-and-anstie-…

Of course these two are not the only two riders from America who will be coming back to race Grand Prix Motocross. With the current recession in America that golden goose of high wages in America is now a thing of the past and while the top few names in USA might make great money, the guys around 5th to 10th place in both Motocross and Lites are struggling to earn the sort of living they are used to. Pit Beirer summed it up in his interview at MXlarge when he mentioned the crazy payment system in America. Here is a short comment from Beirer.
Beirer: It isn’t so easy, because salaries for the top riders in America are really high. It’s crazy; you don’t have a mid range like in Europe. In the World Motocross Championship we have a lot of riders who make good money, but in America it is like the top riders make really good money, but the next level don’t make hardly any money. I would say the top five guys are making money in America. For a number seven guy you have the same cost for the bikes, mechanics and that type of thing, but with the second level guy you can never win, you can’t show how good you are, so we have to eventually enter the level of the very top guys.
There "IS" a "Middle-Class" in SX/MX...

They get paid around $1000/wknd "Travel-Expenses". ($28K for 28 events)
They get $10K, $20K or $30K for a 1st thru 3rd (Would you expect the Team to pay for Non-Podium finishes?)
Many of the Faster-Middle-Class get a "Base-Salary"...let's say $30-50K-ish...
Some, a very few, have their own gear or sponsor deals.

As others have said: The idea that -5- guys are makin' money is jus' funny. Are the Salaries lower than the peak of the Industry? (2006-2007ish)
Yes.
Let's not FORGET how many JOBS have been CUT in this Industry, O.K.?

On the other-hand:
JS7
RD5
RV2
CR22
Moss 712
Shorty and Davi
JG & JB at JGR
Trey
Frenchy & The P.C. gang (including Hanny)
27
Hill
IT9 & The Valli Crew
K-Dub & Metty and the FC crew
The TLD Team
T-Hahn & the Rockstar Energy Suzuki Team
Alessi & Searle
...ALL-MAKE-MONEY.
Many of them have had a pretty damn good deal in 2010.

Some better than others, yes; but, they ALL get PAID...& they get paid REAL WELL when they PRODUCE RESULTS!

The Idea that only a limited FEW make any "Real Money" is jus' funny.

There are other Teams; but, I think this list of a HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN -5- RIDERS makes the point.

There are plenty of guys makin' a good livin' at this.

I'm jus' sayin'...
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8/6/2010 11:23am
NASCAR has millions of fans, tons of TV coverage and a fleet of sponsors that MX/SX does not have, therefore the salaries won't match.

The motorcycle industry is at it's worst point on several decades, to think they'll dump more money into salaries is naive. They're all in survivor mode right now, and many more shops will close down at the end of this selling season.

Salaries have always been looked at as low, and the old adage still rings true that the only way to become a millionaire in racing is to start with two million...

Basic economics, supply and demand dictate the salaries....
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8/6/2010 11:30am
Pit is a good dude and all that but yeah, he's pretty much wrong on this point.

Having said that..

You guys would be shocked if you knew how little money Reardon, Byrne and Cunningham make at Valli Yamaha. And that's just the guys that I know for sure. I'm just sayin...

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