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Politics aside, that was a pathetic display of schoolyard bullying.
For those of you Americans who haven't yet, please go take a look at how your country has become a laughingstock around the world. It's being abandoned as quickly as possible by virtually all trading partners. Your presidentisnottrustworthy, and people don'tdo business with those who are not trustworthy It's going to lead to a long hard period for you.
Phil, TX, titan, teamgreen I await your name calling and catchy slogans.
Easily the best take in this entire thread. Ukraine wanted our help, and we gave it. The time for this burden to come off the taxpayers shoulders has FINALLY come, and it feels awesome.
So you think Kumswallow was trustworthy?
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Not sure how it can feel good to stab your allies in the back.
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Putin and Russia are a threat and need to be handled as such. Putin isn’t asking for anything from the USA. Zelenskyy needs to be the bigger man because let’s be real, it is true he has no power here. He needs to do what’s best for his country, put his differences aside and tell Trump he’s ready to negotiate the deal. If he doesn’t, it’s going to end very badly for the Ukraine. Do some damage control, sign the deal and ensure the safety of your citizens. People may not believe this, but I think Trump is trying to act as the middle man to end this war and keep both sides as happy as possible without escalating conflict. Unfortunately for the Ukraine that means kissing Trumps ass a little and signing the deal.
Sorry lungbutter I forgot to include you as a name caller. Thanks for reminding me.
I agree with you. No one in this forum knows what it takes to end this conflict without giving Putin something. Unfortunately, that simply may not be possible. Sometimes an agreement where an asshole comes out ahead is the only option to save lives and avoid a massive war. That may be where we’re at and I think Trump knows that.
I love how the rejects in here puff their chest for being American and talk about how we are taken advantage of. Did you miss the part where Ukraine was invaded?
Comrades, let me know your address so I can come invade your property. Then we can see how you react. Also, if you're not wearing a suit I'll talk shit on you for your pathetic attire while I'm slaughtering.
You'll like this Joey B.
Victor Davis Hanson brings a calm, sane perspective on the negotiations to end the war and what must be conceded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVG4YWw3Fqo
Problem is you can't trust Putin. He never honors agreements. Unfortunately he needs to be defeated militarily or economically. Any "deal" with him will be broken at some point.
Yes dude 👊🏻
The Ukraine isn’t a part of NATO. You shouldn’t expect the USA to get involved when their country didn’t want to be a part of the alliance until they were invaded. Thats not how this works. You join NATO, you are afforded the assistance from those countries. You don’t get invaded then say “oh we need your help so now maybe we will join.”
You’re absolutely right, you can’t trust Putin. But the right thing to do may be to get this deal done, get support from the USA then if Russia decides to get frisky again the USA steps in and helps Ukraine. Like I said previously, if you expect the USA to help you then you better either be in the alliance or you better give us an incentive (the minerals deal). You don’t get to stand by and wait for something to happen then ask other countries for all this help.
At least I call names towards both sides.
Dude, it's not "the Ukraine ". Just Ukraine. Not the France, the Canada, the Australia. Not the Ukraine.
Russia breached the Budapest memorandum in 2014 with its annexation of Ukraine's Crimea. As a response, the US, UK and France provided Ukraine with financial and military assistance, and imposed economic sanctions on Russia, while ruling out "any direct interventions to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia".
They have been blocked from joining nato Eu if you didn’t know
The fact is, is that most people in America, Ukraine, and Russia desire peace and prosperity (a healthy and balanced life). The biggest enemy towards the desires of the vast majority of people the whole world over is their own governments.
And I don’t necessarily mean the individual/s in charge, although that can be and is the case in many instances. It is the structure of government, it is the authority of the State, it is the State’s monopoly on violence that is the real enemy of the people. And equal to all of that is our (the individual’s) reluctance to take full responsibility for oneself.
Each and every day we willingly choose to give away our autonomy, our independence, and our freedom! Until we the people the whole world over can unite against the State, we stand no chance.
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sorry, what part of US foreign policy should i be grateful for?
In the MAGA world (and in Russia) you are correct, but everywhere else it's probably the opposite.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/heres-real-reason-trump-zelenskyys-deal-blew-up-oval-office
It was an ambush. Trump expected Zelensky to just give up Ukraines resources without any guarantees. Crazy.
Come invade my property and I won't beg my neighbor for help, I'll take care of the threat myself. That's the part you seem to forget, if we hadn't helped Ukraine already they would be back to Russia, we don't need to fund this forever. It's their fight they need it to end it or finish it.
Personally I believe all nations should've been against the Putin regime in regards to The Child Abductions. alone. It's a serious war crime and he personally needs to be taken out of power and put on trial. I can remember a time when people frowned upon kidnapping people kids,especially here in the USA. I haven't heard of one attempted op by any intelligence service to set him up and arrest him on the warrants.
What an embarrassment.
I'm extremely skeptical of the idea that anarchy would be some sort of blissful utopia. As Thomas Hobbes pointed out centuries ago, we lock our doors when theft is illegal and punished by the state - imagine if it weren't. If Hobbes is right about human nature (and I think he quite likely is), in what he calls "the state of nature" would be a war of every man against every man, and life would be solitary, nasty, brutish, and short.
By providing security, the state provides the conditions for the possibility of pursuing our interests. The trick is to get that benefit without giving up more of our liberty than necessary, since those with power generally want to keep and expand it.
I can't tell....are you an American hating Californian (based on your location in your profile) or an America hating Canadian.
Not that it matters..... just like your lame ass Kool-Aid narrative spewing post....
From Fox News ....
According to sources close to Zelenskyy, tempers had flared even before the event began. The Ukrainian president was apparently presented with a minerals for security agreement by the Trump administration prior to the press event, but the deal included no security guarantees to protect Ukraine from another Russian invasion.
Zelenskyy had warned repeatedly ahead of his trip to Washington, D.C., that, in order to reach a mineral agreement, Kyiv needed these security assurances. Even so, he angered Trump and Vance by rejecting the deal, the source said.
From another site.
When Russia took Crimea under Obama, there was no international outrage and we didn't go to war. Under Trump, Russia didn't dare do more. With a weak Joe Biden, Russia made another move and suddenly the war machine revved into action. America is funding this war and keeping it going with our weapons and support. There is no end in sight. Ukraine cannot stand on its own and their country is being destroyed. So Trump is doing the logical thing and attempting to negotiate peace. Zelenskyy seems to think that after all we have given Ukraine, that he can demand the terms of peace and tell us how it will be. Unfortunately for him, Joe Biden is no longer president. Trump is going to expect a more humble, grateful version of Zelenskyy as things progress towards a conclusion.
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