How about a 95% or 99% rule? Or how about timed spacing. Here's the arguments

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I get both sides of the coin for why the rules were changed.  Let's take the scenario, race is 90% over, but there has been multiple passes back and forth.  The person in front at the red flag wins.  Is that fair? Then on the other side, we have what happened.  So, I think there have been arguments for both, that seem pretty fair.  But, let's say, 99% similar to what we saw happen, or some number similar to that. Then, the argument should be, you should have passed before the last couple of turns.  Or equally, another argument could be, what if green flag guy is at the same start line, a person behind him yells go, for each rider.  The flag guy waves flag at intervals.  Each rider would go at how many seconds they were behind rider in front.  It seems like there are ways to make what happened, never happen the same way again. Just my 2 cents.  What do you guys think? 

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2/18/2025 2:55pm

How many threads on this are we going to have 🤦🏻‍♂️

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2/18/2025 3:36pm

They could switch the rule to be a percentage, but the red flag could still come out 7 seconds before the percentage is met.  

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2/18/2025 4:49pm

If everyone would stop crashing we wouldnt have this problem.

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2/18/2025 4:54pm

If the lead rider has a huge lead, call the race, but if two riders are in a battle with 3 laps to go I say run the last 3 laps. I don’t think someone should be screwed that has put in the effort and gapped the field but at the same time I don’t want a good race ruined because someone crashes who isn’t fighting for the lead.

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2/18/2025 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/18/2025 5:59pm

My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them to light up and take off.  Go early and you lose a position.

Use or adapt the technology that's already in place!

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2/18/2025 6:32pm

250 race done at 12-13 laps, 450 done at 18-20 laps, simple enough, let's not over complicate it.

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Oh, and enforce existing rules.

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2/18/2025 10:27pm
jathey wrote:
My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them...

My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them to light up and take off.  Go early and you lose a position.

Use or adapt the technology that's already in place!

Great idea....I wonder how much the riders see the leader lights though. 

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2/18/2025 11:07pm
jathey wrote:
My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them...

My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them to light up and take off.  Go early and you lose a position.

Use or adapt the technology that's already in place!

Good in theory, but can you imagine the AMA being in control of that? 
At the very least don’t let the trophy guy anywhere near it 😂

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2/19/2025 5:36am
Spoonguy wrote:

Oh, and enforce existing rules.

scott_nz wrote:

they did, 

Sorry I wasn't clearer. I meant about lappers and such.

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I want to know where all these folks that have a problem with the red flag rules have been for years? Mind boggling actually.

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Justthefacts
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2/19/2025 5:42am
MxAddic wrote:

I want to know where all these folks that have a problem with the red flag rules have been for years? Mind boggling actually.

Most people didn't have a problem with the 90% rule. Even RC, RV etc believed it was still under that rule.  They changed the rule within the last 2 years. 

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2/19/2025 5:48am Edited Date/Time 2/19/2025 5:50am
MxAddic wrote:

I want to know where all these folks that have a problem with the red flag rules have been for years? Mind boggling actually.

Most people didn't have a problem with the 90% rule. Even RC, RV etc believed it was still under that rule.  They changed the rule within...

Most people didn't have a problem with the 90% rule. Even RC, RV etc believed it was still under that rule.  They changed the rule within the last 2 years. 

So what is the problem with the 3 lap rule other than it didn't work this time for one particular rider and the broadcast team was clueless?

If you listen to his interview he decided not to go inside in the sand due to the risk. Nothing to do with a restart.

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2/19/2025 8:06am
jathey wrote:
My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them...

My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them to light up and take off.  Go early and you lose a position.

Use or adapt the technology that's already in place!

But what about the lappers?  Would they have to wait a full lap to go?  

Depending on track design, how would it work with the leaders coming back onto the start straight with guys still lined up waiting to go?

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2/19/2025 8:17am
jathey wrote:
My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them...

My suggestion was to use the leader lights. They're already on the bikes and could be fired off at the exact timing intervals. Wait for them to light up and take off.  Go early and you lose a position.

Use or adapt the technology that's already in place!

CPR wrote:

Good in theory, but can you imagine the AMA being in control of that? 
At the very least don’t let the trophy guy anywhere near it 😂

Well, they have the smarts enough to program the leader lights to strobe across the bikes on the starting line. 🤣

 

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