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If you where DMG what....tracks would you keep and what track would you ditch? Here are my observations. A national needs to be held in the southeast. IMO Budds Creek, Red Bud, Hangtown and Lakewood will definetely stay. What tracks do you think will either lose their national or what new track might gain a national?
Erik
Erik
Erik[/quote:avc9xxye]
How about the infield of Talladega?
How about the infield of Talladega?[/quote:3dabheyv][/quote]
God no, SX already has a season.
steel city and high point are solid, losing Glen Helen would be unpopular.... don't see them getting rid of southwick either due to it being 'different' (sandy).... and unadilla... well i know RC would drop it, but i doubt it'll happen.
so yea, Washougal if any...
hard to see anything too major happening soon though
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Glen Helen to Hangtown to Washougal sure makes a lot more sense. Going from Unadilla to Washington and back to Minnesota doesn't. (But I'm sure there's some explanation for it...I hope.)
If I had to pick the places I'm most impressed with?
Glen Helen has by far the gnarliest track.
For overall crowd and layout, I like Red Bud.
To me, High Point and Steel City are similar (region, etc.), and I prefer High Point.
You need a sand track in the schedule somewhere, and Southwick comes through nicely.
As for the rest, there are things I like and dislike about all of them. Does it make sense to have another National in the southeast? Probably.
You know what I'd really like, though? An overall champ for the MX and Supercross seasons.
steel city and high point are solid, losing Glen Helen would be unpopular.... don't see them getting rid of southwick either due to it being 'different' (sandy).... and unadilla... well i know RC would drop it, but i doubt it'll happen.
so yea, Washougal if any...
hard to see anything too major happening soon though[/quote:3ryobj1z]
I think Washougal's attendance numbers are pretty high, and it is located pretty close to a major airport, hotels, etc.......
I agree and make the award for the "Grand National Championship" so lucrative that someone would have to think long and hard before skipping either the Nationals or Supercross.
I'd be looking further south for one of those . . .
Hangtown's going nowhere unless a lot of other facilities do. Relatively easy in and out (for a nat), close to freeways and lodging and an airprt, good sight lines from many places, and the state has dumped good money into the infrastructure.
I'd like to see them get the track wider like when they first went to PC.
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steel city and high point are solid, losing Glen Helen would be unpopular.... don't see them getting rid of southwick either due to it being 'different' (sandy).... and unadilla... well i know RC would drop it, but i doubt it'll happen.
so yea, Washougal if any...
hard to see anything too major happening soon though[/quote:32w4kh06]
Why is Washougal the weakest link ?? Have you been to New York ? I am just baffled people think Washougal sucks, it is so beautiful there, the track is great, it's packed, easy to get to, not far from hotels or the airport, I just love that track, It also has a grandfather clause, will be a mx track till the sun explodes, they work with the neighbors, give them free tickets to the nationals and other big events.
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double the payouts down to 30th nothing past 30
steel city and high point are solid, losing Glen Helen would be unpopular.... don't see them getting rid of southwick either due to it being 'different' (sandy).... and unadilla... well i know RC would drop it, but i doubt it'll happen.
so yea, Washougal if any...
hard to see anything too major happening soon though[/quote:2naaozmv]
Why is Washougal the weakest link ?? Have you been to New York ? I am just baffled people think Washougal sucks, it is so beautiful there, the track is great, it's packed, easy to get to, not far from hotels or the airport, I just love that track, It also has a grandfather clause, will be a mx track till the sun explodes, they work with the neighbors, give them free tickets to the nationals and other big events.
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The only thing I can figure is the complaints that a few of the riders have voiced about how hard it is to ride. Preston comes to mind mostly, and perhaps even DV. Preston has complained in the past because the track is too slick.
I guess a track isn't supposed to be hard to ride......
Erik[/quote:i5bczlxn]
Too early. It could be the 12 stay together until the old contracts run out after 2009, unless the AMA ownership changes somehow swept those along with it. That would give the NPG the chance to work without the old AMA's meddling that the NPG asked for, but its replaced with a private, more powerful "AMA?" Doh!
Dump one boss, get a new one.
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It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on.
Two tracks need to get serious about the loss of dirt over the years and the danger in running nationals on hardpack with nothing left on top-Washougal and Unadilla. All they need to do is fix them. (At least they did move the track around a little at Unadilla this time, they really were working on it last summer.)
Some pros can't stand those tracks, but some (Villopoto) don't care.
Budds last year was like Washougal (hard and slick) for the national, and is was like Red Bud (ripped deep and soft) for the MXoN. The difference was night and day, if you ask RC.
I've had a lot of experienced pros bending my ear on those tracks that lost their dirt. They said people don't realize how much the speeds have changed since "back in the day," and when you combine much higher speeds with no dirt, it's just wrong.
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It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on.
Two tracks need to get serious about the loss of dirt over the years and the danger in running nationals on hardpack with nothing left on top-Washougal and Unadilla. All they need to do is fix them. (At least they did move the track around a little at Unadilla this time, they really were working on it last summer.)
Some pros can't stand those tracks, but some (Villopoto) don't care.
Budds last year was like Washougal (hard and slick) for the national, and is was like Red Bud (ripped deep and soft) for the MXoN. The difference was night and day, if you ask RC.
I've had a lot of experienced pros bending my ear on those tracks that lost their dirt. They said people don't realize how much the speeds have changed since "back in the day," and when you combine much higher speeds with no dirt, it's just wrong.[/quote:qnc4z5x2]
I don't think that the guys are going any faster at Washougal today than they were down the hill at Carlsbad "back in the day". And Carlsbad was pretty hard......
Look @ Atlanta SX ticket sales, the SE is a hotbed for mx these days.
It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on.
Two tracks need to get serious about the loss of dirt over the years and the danger in running nationals on hardpack with nothing left on top-Washougal and Unadilla. All they need to do is fix them. (At least they did move the track around a little at Unadilla this time, they really were working on it last summer.)
Some pros can't stand those tracks, but some (Villopoto) don't care.
Budds last year was like Washougal (hard and slick) for the national, and is was like Red Bud (ripped deep and soft) for the MXoN. The difference was night and day, if you ask RC.
I've had a lot of experienced pros bending my ear on those tracks that lost their dirt. They said people don't realize how much the speeds have changed since "back in the day," and when you combine much higher speeds with no dirt, it's just wrong.[/quote:2q4z0msn]
I don't think that the guys are going any faster at Washougal today than they were down the hill at Carlsbad "back in the day". And Carlsbad was pretty hard......[/quote:2q4z0msn]
I guess I should stop telling people what MX champions tell me about tracks. Fans know better!
It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on.
Two tracks need to get serious about the loss of dirt over the years and the danger in running nationals on hardpack with nothing left on top-Washougal and Unadilla. All they need to do is fix them. (At least they did move the track around a little at Unadilla this time, they really were working on it last summer.)
Some pros can't stand those tracks, but some (Villopoto) don't care.
Budds last year was like Washougal (hard and slick) for the national, and is was like Red Bud (ripped deep and soft) for the MXoN. The difference was night and day, if you ask RC.
I've had a lot of experienced pros bending my ear on those tracks that lost their dirt. They said people don't realize how much the speeds have changed since "back in the day," and when you combine much higher speeds with no dirt, it's just wrong.[/quote:r1ppumtg]
I don't think that the guys are going any faster at Washougal today than they were down the hill at Carlsbad "back in the day". And Carlsbad was pretty hard......[/quote:r1ppumtg]
I guess I should stop telling people what MX champions tell me about tracks. Fans know better!
Or, of course, you can use some common sense and realize for yourself that the guys racing Carlsbad on 500s were going pretty damned fast too.
Hell, Lechien on a 500 at Washougal was probably as fast as they are going today too!!!!
"speeds today are faster" yep they should be, they are on much better equipment, ones that i might add have better suspension, tires, and tractability. So a hard pack track or spots on a track which are hard pack is part of the deal....... oh well.
Tell ya what, they are riding open bikes today!!! which are dam near the same as 500's of before. No one can tell me that bailey, johnson, rock, any of those guys on 500's were not running the speeds of today??? come on, hell today they are in the air all the friggin time. today riders are good if not great, but it's just another decade with good riders coming up and some retiring.
be nice to see natural terrain more in the outdoor stuff, and less man made crap.
It's not so much "hard" to ride, but dangerous for pros to race on.
Two tracks need to get serious about the loss of dirt over the years and the danger in running nationals on hardpack with nothing left on top-Washougal and Unadilla. All they need to do is fix them. (At least they did move the track around a little at Unadilla this time, they really were working on it last summer.)
Some pros can't stand those tracks, but some (Villopoto) don't care.
Budds last year was like Washougal (hard and slick) for the national, and is was like Red Bud (ripped deep and soft) for the MXoN. The difference was night and day, if you ask RC.
I've had a lot of experienced pros bending my ear on those tracks that lost their dirt. They said people don't realize how much the speeds have changed since "back in the day," and when you combine much higher speeds with no dirt, it's just wrong.[/quote:1j0su3vn]
Sawdust can fix anything. If it makes loam out of Georgia clay it will work anywhere. You know this because you were at Burnt Hickory in 77.
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