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couchdriver412
Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 10:56pm
4 strokes



Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound like sh11111ttttttttttt.



Now 2 strokes are music to my ears.



DC we need to change the rules if for no other reason to turn the races back into a well tuned symphony instead of sounding like a long row of port-o-sh1ters on a construction site after all the boys ate a bunch of bomb burritos for lunch!!!



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Agreed, again. Problem is-won't happen.
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aint rock and roll.
queen of spodes 7/11/2010 8:45am
7/11/2010 8:45am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2010 8:46am
My KTM 640 is quiet as a mouse. It's not necessarily four-strokes just the lack of adequate silencing. Especially on the ones with hi-performance cans that show up at local tracks & riding in the woods behind people's homes. A teenager was riding around my neighbors pasture yesterday on a XR70 minibike, the sound from that thing was obnoxious. No wonder people hate dirt bikes. I started up my RM125 later & rode around my lot.. so quiet!
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You like the bumblebees(treble) instead of the bassssss..

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DanDunes818 7/11/2010 11:00am
7/11/2010 11:00am
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You like the bumblebees(treble) instead of the bassssss..
How often when some jackass drives by you blasting his "old dirty bastard" rap do you hear the treble? How about never.. All you hear is the bass. Treble will only travel short distances and bass you can hear and feel blocks away ..
couchdriver412 7/11/2010 11:13am
7/11/2010 11:13am
Plus 4 chokes flat out have a lack of power...
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really? another noisy 4 stroke thread? another?
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Where's the pic of that dead horse?
couchdriver412 7/11/2010 1:19pm
7/11/2010 1:19pm
Jabjr222 wrote:
really? another noisy 4 stroke thread? another?
They won't stop until they're gone!!!

Then just think, we will have all the lazy a$$es complaining that they want they're 4 chokes back cause they were so easy to ride and we'll be sayin gees, another stupid 4 stroke thread...

What a sweet day that'll be!!!
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couchdriver412 wrote:
4 strokes Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound...
4 strokes



Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound like sh11111ttttttttttt.



Now 2 strokes are music to my ears.



DC we need to change the rules if for no other reason to turn the races back into a well tuned symphony instead of sounding like a long row of port-o-sh1ters on a construction site after all the boys ate a bunch of bomb burritos for lunch!!!



Please never post again. I wish there was software to punch people in the face. GOD DAMNIT!
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couchdriver412 wrote:
4 strokes Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound...
4 strokes



Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound like sh11111ttttttttttt.



Now 2 strokes are music to my ears.



DC we need to change the rules if for no other reason to turn the races back into a well tuned symphony instead of sounding like a long row of port-o-sh1ters on a construction site after all the boys ate a bunch of bomb burritos for lunch!!!



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Please never post again. I wish there was software to punch people in the face. GOD DAMNIT!
Laughing Woohoo Laughing
couchdriver412 7/11/2010 6:13pm
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couchdriver412 wrote:
4 strokes Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound...
4 strokes



Not trying to start another war here, but I was just watching some of the first motos on Alli an gees, 4 strokes sound like sh11111ttttttttttt.



Now 2 strokes are music to my ears.



DC we need to change the rules if for no other reason to turn the races back into a well tuned symphony instead of sounding like a long row of port-o-sh1ters on a construction site after all the boys ate a bunch of bomb burritos for lunch!!!



Agent717 wrote:
Please never post again. I wish there was software to punch people in the face. GOD DAMNIT!
Ha Ha you would computer punch me in the face....

People like you.
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nytsmaC wrote:
aint rock and roll.
I see what you did there and I like it.
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khough22 7/11/2010 7:46pm
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Jabjr222 wrote:
really? another noisy 4 stroke thread? another?
I went to a harescamble this weekend. Raced the bikes in the morning and was hanging around and bench racing with my buds after the race. This was during the quad race and they were so loud we could not hear each other. THIS HAS TO STOP. I do not know how loud the bikes are( because I was racing), but the quads were way to loud. This was on private property and I talked to the land owners before I left to thank them for letting us race on there property. I ask them if we can come back next year he said we will see. It was an A.M.A district 15 event and the tech was to make sure your kill button worked. Come on people this is not going to work. Sound tests are the only thing that will keep us racing on great property like this.
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The Rock 7/11/2010 8:13pm
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khough22 wrote:
I went to a harescamble this weekend. Raced the bikes in the morning and was hanging around and bench racing with my buds after the race...
I went to a harescamble this weekend. Raced the bikes in the morning and was hanging around and bench racing with my buds after the race. This was during the quad race and they were so loud we could not hear each other. THIS HAS TO STOP. I do not know how loud the bikes are( because I was racing), but the quads were way to loud. This was on private property and I talked to the land owners before I left to thank them for letting us race on there property. I ask them if we can come back next year he said we will see. It was an A.M.A district 15 event and the tech was to make sure your kill button worked. Come on people this is not going to work. Sound tests are the only thing that will keep us racing on great property like this.
Don't hold your breath on getting invited back but what is really important is people got to race their loud bikes and quads today so who cares about tomorrow?

As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of the people who ride bikes and quads.

That's okay guys.....just start saving your money now for electric machines then you can bitch about how much they cost.
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nothing like the sound of a 250f on the rev limiter...........?

reminds me of a bad curry exiting the corners quickly
killerdwarf 7/12/2010 5:35am
7/12/2010 5:35am
The organizers of the event could make it a rule that all competitors bikes be fitted with a DB Dawg, or a quiet after market pipe. But they don't. One of the tracks I practice at has that rule in place, and most people abide by it.

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LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES!!!! YEEHAAAAAWWWW!!!
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newmann 7/12/2010 6:55am
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The real answer.













Thanks KTM!!!! They obviously "get it".
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Cygnus 7/12/2010 7:01am
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HAR! Those KTM and other 50's are as loud or louder than my 450.
panic revver 7/12/2010 7:42am
7/12/2010 7:42am
Jabjr222 wrote:
really? another noisy 4 stroke thread? another?
couchdriver412 wrote:
They won't stop until they're gone!!! Then just think, we will have all the lazy a$$es complaining that they want they're 4 chokes back cause they...
They won't stop until they're gone!!!

Then just think, we will have all the lazy a$$es complaining that they want they're 4 chokes back cause they were so easy to ride and we'll be sayin gees, another stupid 4 stroke thread...

What a sweet day that'll be!!!
It's a good thing you prefaced us all that you "Not trying to start another war here"
panic revver 7/12/2010 7:43am
7/12/2010 7:43am
Cygnus wrote:
HAR! Those KTM and other 50's are as loud or louder than my 450.
Yes they are.
Matt Fisher 7/12/2010 7:44am
7/12/2010 7:44am
Cygnus wrote:
HAR! Those KTM and other 50's are as loud or louder than my 450.
True, the race 50's are obnoxious when standing trackside. Nowhere near as loud as race thumpers when you're a mile away, but loud nonetheless.
panic revver 7/12/2010 7:45am
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khough22 wrote:
I went to a harescamble this weekend. Raced the bikes in the morning and was hanging around and bench racing with my buds after the race...
I went to a harescamble this weekend. Raced the bikes in the morning and was hanging around and bench racing with my buds after the race. This was during the quad race and they were so loud we could not hear each other. THIS HAS TO STOP. I do not know how loud the bikes are( because I was racing), but the quads were way to loud. This was on private property and I talked to the land owners before I left to thank them for letting us race on there property. I ask them if we can come back next year he said we will see. It was an A.M.A district 15 event and the tech was to make sure your kill button worked. Come on people this is not going to work. Sound tests are the only thing that will keep us racing on great property like this.
The Rock wrote:
Don't hold your breath on getting invited back but what is really important is people got to race their loud bikes and quads today so who...
Don't hold your breath on getting invited back but what is really important is people got to race their loud bikes and quads today so who cares about tomorrow?

As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of the people who ride bikes and quads.

That's okay guys.....just start saving your money now for electric machines then you can bitch about how much they cost.
As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of the people who ride bikes and quads.

BULLSHIT! If there weren't the tree huggers and the people that flat out don't like dirt bikers and quads this thread wouldn't be here.
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The Rock 7/12/2010 8:40am
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panic revver wrote:
[b]As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of...
As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of the people who ride bikes and quads.

BULLSHIT! If there weren't the tree huggers and the people that flat out don't like dirt bikers and quads this thread wouldn't be here.
It wouldn't be a perfect world and we'd still have our challenges but idiots running 100 plus db exhausts and riders who have never repacked are a huge part of the problem IMO.

How many people you know are running 94 db inserts and repack on a regular basis? If someone truly loved the sport they'd be doing this regardless if they had to do it or not.

It is easier to blame others than own up to we all have a responsibility when we practice or race.

Pretty sure you disagree based on your post but they got it almost forty years ago less sound=more ground.

Why don't the masses get it now?
BornA'Lil2Slow 7/12/2010 8:51am
7/12/2010 8:51am
.... 1 thing you are ALL over looking

Noise and dust have been a problem for dirtbikes and non-enthusiasts for 40 years. It isnt some magical creation stemming from 4 strokes. It might seem like that due to more information now being shared on the internet. Used to be you only heard about something locally, now you hear about every single thing in the country. Its no more or less than it used to be, but now instead of a 50 mile radious to yourself to its a 3000 mile radious.

"the sweet sound of a 2 stroke...." ...... to us only. To anyone else, its an annoying pack of bees ruining your weekend.

Not saying 4 strokes and the wavelength their exhaust produces isnt more of an issue, just saying sound has been a problem for a LONG time. That and tracks that used to be located just outside urban area, now as things grow and expand, what was once a track 3 miles from anything is now a track with 3 housing developments across the street.
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The Rock 7/12/2010 9:03am
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
.... 1 thing you are ALL over looking Noise and dust have been a problem for dirtbikes and non-enthusiasts for 40 years. It isnt some magical...
.... 1 thing you are ALL over looking

Noise and dust have been a problem for dirtbikes and non-enthusiasts for 40 years. It isnt some magical creation stemming from 4 strokes. It might seem like that due to more information now being shared on the internet. Used to be you only heard about something locally, now you hear about every single thing in the country. Its no more or less than it used to be, but now instead of a 50 mile radious to yourself to its a 3000 mile radious.

"the sweet sound of a 2 stroke...." ...... to us only. To anyone else, its an annoying pack of bees ruining your weekend.

Not saying 4 strokes and the wavelength their exhaust produces isnt more of an issue, just saying sound has been a problem for a LONG time. That and tracks that used to be located just outside urban area, now as things grow and expand, what was once a track 3 miles from anything is now a track with 3 housing developments across the street.
Why are people like you so good at stating the obvious but NEVER offer anything positive regarding what we should be doing?



Of freaking course dust is also an issue but are you inferring since there are other factors than noise we shouldn't do anything about sound? I just do NOT get it that some people seem to rationalize away efforts to deal with noise with the tired refrain "well if it isn't noise it will something else."



Since my self contained watering system just broke the only thing I can do something about is to ride and promote quieter bikes. Until someone comes up with a better idea i will continue down this path.



My recent USGP experience was also more agreeable to the ears than the two Nationals I've been to since the FIM uses the 2 M Max test and the Nationals are supposed to be sound testing at 94db static test...........................

EDIT: Your last paragraph is Starwest but do you think they are doing any sound testing or having any sound requirements? Ditto for Barona Oaks? You think any of their neighbors kids will ever ride a dirt bike based on the I don't care attitude of these facilities?
panic revver 7/12/2010 9:16am
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panic revver wrote:
[b]As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of...
As you can tell from some of the responses in this thread this sport's biggest problem isn't the tree huggers but the lack of caring of the people who ride bikes and quads.

BULLSHIT! If there weren't the tree huggers and the people that flat out don't like dirt bikers and quads this thread wouldn't be here.
The Rock wrote:
It wouldn't be a perfect world and we'd still have our challenges but idiots running 100 plus db exhausts and riders who have never repacked are...
It wouldn't be a perfect world and we'd still have our challenges but idiots running 100 plus db exhausts and riders who have never repacked are a huge part of the problem IMO.

How many people you know are running 94 db inserts and repack on a regular basis? If someone truly loved the sport they'd be doing this regardless if they had to do it or not.

It is easier to blame others than own up to we all have a responsibility when we practice or race.

Pretty sure you disagree based on your post but they got it almost forty years ago less sound=more ground.

Why don't the masses get it now?
I get it. We (OHV enthusiasts) have to appease the masses, we are not the masses, the tree huggers are. There are cars, truck, motorcycles, boats, helicopters, air planes, stereos, dogs, lawnmowers, weedeaters, blowers, etc right in the city that are MUCH louder than my motorcycle and I don't ride it in town.
panic revver 7/12/2010 9:18am
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BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:
.... 1 thing you are ALL over looking Noise and dust have been a problem for dirtbikes and non-enthusiasts for 40 years. It isnt some magical...
.... 1 thing you are ALL over looking

Noise and dust have been a problem for dirtbikes and non-enthusiasts for 40 years. It isnt some magical creation stemming from 4 strokes. It might seem like that due to more information now being shared on the internet. Used to be you only heard about something locally, now you hear about every single thing in the country. Its no more or less than it used to be, but now instead of a 50 mile radious to yourself to its a 3000 mile radious.

"the sweet sound of a 2 stroke...." ...... to us only. To anyone else, its an annoying pack of bees ruining your weekend.

Not saying 4 strokes and the wavelength their exhaust produces isnt more of an issue, just saying sound has been a problem for a LONG time. That and tracks that used to be located just outside urban area, now as things grow and expand, what was once a track 3 miles from anything is now a track with 3 housing developments across the street.
It's like the dumbasses that bought a house within smelling distance of a farm. WTF did you think, the smell was going to change when you moved in?

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