What happened to Starling & Moranz?

Kyle978 wrote:

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone...

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone else about where this information came from? 

If BMC wasn’t your mechanic that year, it was simply because you couldn’t get AJE to pay for him. He was with you every day leading up to the season. Which is why it made so much sense that you guys came up with a story to try to get some of the budget they had for me. I threw out a really high number that they agreed to in October and I think reality set in on how much it costs to run a race team, and the rider you invest everything into might get hurt. 

AJE didn’t have the budget for really anything, let alone a mechanic for you. Duke and the kid they threw in to replace me didn’t get paid. Straight up volunteers.

Clearly I’ve had an issue for a while but have kept it to myself. You can deflect all you want but I know there was fuckery going on. 

Jstarling81 wrote:

Yes, I was with BMC often as he is a friend. But he was not my mechanic until 2019. Duke and I worked together in the...

Yes, I was with BMC often as he is a friend. But he was not my mechanic until 2019. Duke and I worked together in the past and Tony told me that was my guy in 2018. I had no control over that, nor did I ask for any. I was happy to go racing. 

I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about, I’ve been honest, no reason to lie. To be honest on my end, it sounds like I was used as the person to put blame on to create a mess of lies to get out of paying you. Which sounds like something that would happen, and I think you can agree as you just said they didn’t have budget for really anything. 

Again, sorry you feel that way man. But I think the real problem here is your deal with AJE and yourself. 

Ps, there was “fuckery” for two years at AJE that I rode for them. So I do know what you mean there. 

Jstarling81 wrote:

I begged to be on AJE? Tony called me the day Cole got hurt as a replacement. I took the deal, yeah no salary but it was...

I begged to be on AJE? Tony called me the day Cole got hurt as a replacement. 

I took the deal, yeah no salary but it was a good deal. I was supplied a practice bike / race bike / flights hotels etc. good bonus program. But I did not beg, or supply bikes or anything of that sort. I only got called because of Cole getting hurt. 

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about regarding “parts falling off or that you were a bad mechanic”. It sounds like to me that you were told a story to try and get “fired” or not get paid. But I never once said a word to anyone about your mechanic skills or anything of that sort. So that’s all false and untrue and I’m sorry you feel that way about getting misguided information. 
 

Also, Duke was my mechanic in 2018. All year. In 2019, BMC was my mechanic but that was long after you and Cole were not there and I originally asked for Justin Myerson to be my mechanic. But BMC was willing to relocate to AZ and that’s how I ended up with him. 

I honestly always wondered why you didn’t like me. I guess I understand now, but your information is waaaaay off. And I am sorry for that cause I always thought you were a good dude and you and Cole got royally F’d by the AJE deal. 

All of what you said above, is news to me. Other than you being screwed by AJE. I heard about that from
cole. 

Kyle978 wrote:

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone...

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone else about where this information came from? 

If BMC wasn’t your mechanic that year, it was simply because you couldn’t get AJE to pay for him. He was with you every day leading up to the season. Which is why it made so much sense that you guys came up with a story to try to get some of the budget they had for me. I threw out a really high number that they agreed to in October and I think reality set in on how much it costs to run a race team, and the rider you invest everything into might get hurt. 

AJE didn’t have the budget for really anything, let alone a mechanic for you. Duke and the kid they threw in to replace me didn’t get paid. Straight up volunteers.

Clearly I’ve had an issue for a while but have kept it to myself. You can deflect all you want but I know there was fuckery going on. 

Jstarling81 wrote:

I begged to be on AJE? Tony called me the day Cole got hurt as a replacement. I took the deal, yeah no salary but it was...

I begged to be on AJE? Tony called me the day Cole got hurt as a replacement. 

I took the deal, yeah no salary but it was a good deal. I was supplied a practice bike / race bike / flights hotels etc. good bonus program. But I did not beg, or supply bikes or anything of that sort. I only got called because of Cole getting hurt. 

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about regarding “parts falling off or that you were a bad mechanic”. It sounds like to me that you were told a story to try and get “fired” or not get paid. But I never once said a word to anyone about your mechanic skills or anything of that sort. So that’s all false and untrue and I’m sorry you feel that way about getting misguided information. 
 

Also, Duke was my mechanic in 2018. All year. In 2019, BMC was my mechanic but that was long after you and Cole were not there and I originally asked for Justin Myerson to be my mechanic. But BMC was willing to relocate to AZ and that’s how I ended up with him. 

I honestly always wondered why you didn’t like me. I guess I understand now, but your information is waaaaay off. And I am sorry for that cause I always thought you were a good dude and you and Cole got royally F’d by the AJE deal. 

All of what you said above, is news to me. Other than you being screwed by AJE. I heard about that from
cole. 

Kyle978 wrote:

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone...

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone else about where this information came from? 

If BMC wasn’t your mechanic that year, it was simply because you couldn’t get AJE to pay for him. He was with you every day leading up to the season. Which is why it made so much sense that you guys came up with a story to try to get some of the budget they had for me. I threw out a really high number that they agreed to in October and I think reality set in on how much it costs to run a race team, and the rider you invest everything into might get hurt. 

AJE didn’t have the budget for really anything, let alone a mechanic for you. Duke and the kid they threw in to replace me didn’t get paid. Straight up volunteers.

Clearly I’ve had an issue for a while but have kept it to myself. You can deflect all you want but I know there was fuckery going on. 

Sandman New England wrote:

Dude, You are looking like a clown on a public forum. You are better than this. I mean WTF

Kyle978 wrote:

We rode with you guys one day, and I got the call that evening. They are truly master manipulators if they fabricated this story. I’m pretty...

We rode with you guys one day, and I got the call that evening. They are truly master manipulators if they fabricated this story. I’m pretty sure Nate got screwed by Tony too, maybe we could get the straight story out of him now. 

I’ll let the hate out my heart because so much time has gone by and it only affected me very temporarily. If they used you as a pawn like this, legendary maneuver by the AJE crew. 
 

 

Jstarling81 wrote:

I begged to be on AJE? Tony called me the day Cole got hurt as a replacement. I took the deal, yeah no salary but it was...

I begged to be on AJE? Tony called me the day Cole got hurt as a replacement. 

I took the deal, yeah no salary but it was a good deal. I was supplied a practice bike / race bike / flights hotels etc. good bonus program. But I did not beg, or supply bikes or anything of that sort. I only got called because of Cole getting hurt. 

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about regarding “parts falling off or that you were a bad mechanic”. It sounds like to me that you were told a story to try and get “fired” or not get paid. But I never once said a word to anyone about your mechanic skills or anything of that sort. So that’s all false and untrue and I’m sorry you feel that way about getting misguided information. 
 

Also, Duke was my mechanic in 2018. All year. In 2019, BMC was my mechanic but that was long after you and Cole were not there and I originally asked for Justin Myerson to be my mechanic. But BMC was willing to relocate to AZ and that’s how I ended up with him. 

I honestly always wondered why you didn’t like me. I guess I understand now, but your information is waaaaay off. And I am sorry for that cause I always thought you were a good dude and you and Cole got royally F’d by the AJE deal. 

All of what you said above, is news to me. Other than you being screwed by AJE. I heard about that from
cole. 

Kyle978 wrote:

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone...

Either your memory is off or you’re full of shit. I was told this from more than one person. You don’t think I grilled Nate and everyone else about where this information came from? 

If BMC wasn’t your mechanic that year, it was simply because you couldn’t get AJE to pay for him. He was with you every day leading up to the season. Which is why it made so much sense that you guys came up with a story to try to get some of the budget they had for me. I threw out a really high number that they agreed to in October and I think reality set in on how much it costs to run a race team, and the rider you invest everything into might get hurt. 

AJE didn’t have the budget for really anything, let alone a mechanic for you. Duke and the kid they threw in to replace me didn’t get paid. Straight up volunteers.

Clearly I’ve had an issue for a while but have kept it to myself. You can deflect all you want but I know there was fuckery going on. 

Jstarling81 wrote:

Nothing happened between KMR and myself. Everything was fine. Financially, the deal did not make sense to me or my family, so I had to step...

Nothing happened between KMR and myself. Everything was fine. Financially, the deal did not make sense to me or my family, so I had to step away. 

Flights, hotels, mechanic’s pay (possible mechanics flights as well unless my mechanic agreed to be Lead Mechanic to the program), suspension build / components  / service, handle bars , ECU’s, grips, practice bike parts, was all on me to purchase. 

I was given my helmet to sell for financial gain, 4 logos on jersey, a few small logos on airbox, to sell to help fund my season.   

I was no longer going to be able to have a race day vlog, as that would be the team vlog via Kevin’s channel. 

I ultimately landed a sponsor for my helmet that would fun the entire year for me, for it to be rejected by KMR/CMG and left me searching for another sponsor. 

I was able to sell one jersey spot, but that money was not enough to be comfortable for the season. 

I then found another private sponsor to helmet with flights and hotels, only for that to fall through on Tuesday, which lead me to make the call to KMR/CMG and inform them that this was just not gonna financially make sense to do. I could have stuck it out and tried to make it all happen for me to only have to pull the plug 2-5 races in, or I could try to let them find another rider to take advantage of what they offer and go race a dirt bike. I chose to not take a risk. I have a family, a house, my wife & I’s vehicles, car insurance, health insurance, formula for our child, diapers etc and I will not risk my life to go out, make a main event and come home with a $300/400 profit (if I’m lucky) to provide for my family. Or if I don’t make the main, ultimately lose money on the weekend. 

KMR to me, was providing a race bike, practice bike, entry fee’s. Which is a great deal for someone who can afford to fly in and out and hotels etc! It just isn’t in my cards.

again, I respect what Moranz and CMG have built. I didn’t want to put them in a shitty position in the season if things were not working on my end financially and I have them as much of a heads up as possible. We had a call 4 weeks ago that was offering me an out due to financials but I had found the private sponsor during that time so I was in. When that fell through, I had no choice but to give up my spot. 


With all of that being said, it only made sense for me to leave and work on a smaller program, with my original rejected sponsor, and financially be in a better position to provide for my family, all while racing a motorcycle. 

Again, everything between KMR / CMG and myself was completely fine. We have been putting in the work here at the Lawrence compound, things were all looking great on the bike wise, my only reason of leaving was due to financials and being able to provide for my family. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Let's use some logical consistency here. I don't know anyone involved to have an opinion on their trustworthiness, I only know what I've read here. You said...

Let's use some logical consistency here. I don't know anyone involved to have an opinion on their trustworthiness, I only know what I've read here. 

You said they lied to you. You said they didn't pay you as they originally agreed. You said they changed up details of your arrangement and you were out before the racing even started. 

With these facts at hand, why is it some inconceivable that they lied about this issue with JS? His stories here have been consistent, while the other party is apparently anything but. Seems like a decent chance that everyone got used to some degree, no?

Jstarling81 wrote:

Nothing happened between KMR and myself. Everything was fine. Financially, the deal did not make sense to me or my family, so I had to step...

Nothing happened between KMR and myself. Everything was fine. Financially, the deal did not make sense to me or my family, so I had to step away. 

Flights, hotels, mechanic’s pay (possible mechanics flights as well unless my mechanic agreed to be Lead Mechanic to the program), suspension build / components  / service, handle bars , ECU’s, grips, practice bike parts, was all on me to purchase. 

I was given my helmet to sell for financial gain, 4 logos on jersey, a few small logos on airbox, to sell to help fund my season.   

I was no longer going to be able to have a race day vlog, as that would be the team vlog via Kevin’s channel. 

I ultimately landed a sponsor for my helmet that would fun the entire year for me, for it to be rejected by KMR/CMG and left me searching for another sponsor. 

I was able to sell one jersey spot, but that money was not enough to be comfortable for the season. 

I then found another private sponsor to helmet with flights and hotels, only for that to fall through on Tuesday, which lead me to make the call to KMR/CMG and inform them that this was just not gonna financially make sense to do. I could have stuck it out and tried to make it all happen for me to only have to pull the plug 2-5 races in, or I could try to let them find another rider to take advantage of what they offer and go race a dirt bike. I chose to not take a risk. I have a family, a house, my wife & I’s vehicles, car insurance, health insurance, formula for our child, diapers etc and I will not risk my life to go out, make a main event and come home with a $300/400 profit (if I’m lucky) to provide for my family. Or if I don’t make the main, ultimately lose money on the weekend. 

KMR to me, was providing a race bike, practice bike, entry fee’s. Which is a great deal for someone who can afford to fly in and out and hotels etc! It just isn’t in my cards.

again, I respect what Moranz and CMG have built. I didn’t want to put them in a shitty position in the season if things were not working on my end financially and I have them as much of a heads up as possible. We had a call 4 weeks ago that was offering me an out due to financials but I had found the private sponsor during that time so I was in. When that fell through, I had no choice but to give up my spot. 


With all of that being said, it only made sense for me to leave and work on a smaller program, with my original rejected sponsor, and financially be in a better position to provide for my family, all while racing a motorcycle. 

Again, everything between KMR / CMG and myself was completely fine. We have been putting in the work here at the Lawrence compound, things were all looking great on the bike wise, my only reason of leaving was due to financials and being able to provide for my family. 

 

profeshenal125 wrote:

Dam I can’t believe you hv to pay for all that .  A tiny bit similar to a 1099 Eastern European Chicago truck, trailer lease.  Truck...

Dam I can’t believe you hv to pay for all that .  A tiny bit similar to a 1099 Eastern European Chicago truck, trailer lease.  Truck, trl payment , numerous insurance plans, crooked security & escrow 500 each a week,  tablet, fake occ insurance, fuel is Huge.   If they didn’t run 20-43 hr days 7 days a week . You wouldn’t make a dime. I did hv 1 week I made a negative 288.00 & the week was brutal.  A local 125 kid for local races gets 2,500 from a small energy drink co,  a local salon chain & a local trucking co all pitch in money .  In 98 a local got 2 free 125& 250 , tires, gear,goggles, fuel, etc.  race Fri night lake Geneva & Byron iL.  The winner could make 4,800 .  You would think you could make 5 times that today.  Hell I want 10k to run some ones pipe .  Probably won’t get that huh ? Lol 

JazzyJJ wrote:

Let's use some logical consistency here. I don't know anyone involved to have an opinion on their trustworthiness, I only know what I've read here. You said...

Let's use some logical consistency here. I don't know anyone involved to have an opinion on their trustworthiness, I only know what I've read here. 

You said they lied to you. You said they didn't pay you as they originally agreed. You said they changed up details of your arrangement and you were out before the racing even started. 

With these facts at hand, why is it some inconceivable that they lied about this issue with JS? His stories here have been consistent, while the other party is apparently anything but. Seems like a decent chance that everyone got used to some degree, no?

Kyle978 wrote:

There’s a chance, but the timing was pretty damn impeccable and I would hate to have to admit I’m wrong after all this time. 

Kyle978 wrote:

There’s a chance, but the timing was pretty damn impeccable and I would hate to have to admit I’m wrong after all this time. 

Kyle978 wrote:

There’s a chance, but the timing was pretty damn impeccable and I would hate to have to admit I’m wrong after all this time. 

Jstarling81 wrote:

If you’re up for it, let’s meet up, have a beer and talk about all of this. My treat. I just personally believe there’s a lot of...

If you’re up for it, let’s meet up, have a beer and talk about all of this. My treat. 

I just personally believe there’s a lot of finger pointing in the wrong direction here and I’d love to do what we can to clear it up. Again, always thought you were cool and all this time have wondered what the deal was. 

If not, I totally understand.  but offer is always going to be in the table here. 

Sandberm656 wrote:

So, since we all know who Jstarling81 is (Justin Starling)...I think it only fair because he is saying negative things about Justin that we know Kyles...

So, since we all know who Jstarling81 is (Justin Starling)...I think it only fair because he is saying negative things about Justin that we know Kyles full name.

Kyle978 wrote:

There’s a chance, but the timing was pretty damn impeccable and I would hate to have to admit I’m wrong after all this time. 

Jstarling81 wrote:

If you’re up for it, let’s meet up, have a beer and talk about all of this. My treat. I just personally believe there’s a lot of...

If you’re up for it, let’s meet up, have a beer and talk about all of this. My treat. 

I just personally believe there’s a lot of finger pointing in the wrong direction here and I’d love to do what we can to clear it up. Again, always thought you were cool and all this time have wondered what the deal was. 

If not, I totally understand.  but offer is always going to be in the table here. 

Kyle978 wrote:

Yeah man that sounds good. My in-laws live in Coca Beach so I’m in Florida pretty often, I’ll reach out next time I’m there. I’ll bring a...

Yeah man that sounds good. My in-laws live in Coca Beach so I’m in Florida pretty often, I’ll reach out next time I’m there. I’ll bring a bicycle. 

Like I said, this would be the most well played AJE move of all time. My interactions with that team, friends getting fucked by teams and companies, and all the other BS I’ve seen pulled has made it hard to be a fan of the sport sometimes now that I’m completely removed other than a few people. The shit I, you and others could drop on this site would make it melt. Dirt bikes are just too damn fun to give up totally, so sometimes I get bitter about the industry side of it.

If this is a case of a true caught-in-the-middle situation, I apologize. Not sure if I should nuke my posts or let it ride. 

 

steve_97060 wrote:

Pro playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.

Electro21 wrote:

Hopefully you guys can sit down and work it all out!

SonofThor32 wrote:

On a lighter note, I can't be the only one that cringes every time Leigh Diffey says Justin's last name (Barcia too).  Leigh does a decent...

On a lighter note, I can't be the only one that cringes every time Leigh Diffey says Justin's last name (Barcia too).  Leigh does a decent job in the booth, but those two last names, his accent destroys.  LOL

SonofThor32 wrote:

On a lighter note, I can't be the only one that cringes every time Leigh Diffey says Justin's last name (Barcia too).  Leigh does a decent...

On a lighter note, I can't be the only one that cringes every time Leigh Diffey says Justin's last name (Barcia too).  Leigh does a decent job in the booth, but those two last names, his accent destroys.  LOL

startbuttonarmpump wrote:

Riding a Honder @ Daytoner

Electro21 wrote:

Hopefully you guys can sit down and work it all out!

Herr Lich wrote:

Yeah, get a room.