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“It isn’t a trend, the goal from me and my brother is the U.S. I say to my father and the teams, 'If I don’t get the title, I don’t get the title.' Of course, I will work hard to get the title, but if it doesn’t come, I am not going to waste time on it. I just want to be the best I can possibly be, and I want to learn from people like Tim Gajser and Jeffrey Herlings.”
Good interview. Maybe I missed it, but is it his goal to go back to 250 for the US in 2026? I assume that's the plan but it'll be interesting to go from 450 MX throughout 25 to SX training on the 250. Not unprecedented, of course, but interesting.
Still seems odd at 17 when stateside is the goal. Not sure if it will be any harder to step down to a 250 in 26'.
450's aren't the bike to learn supercross on.
Says a lot about the "WORLD" motocross series.
Only a few good tracks, pay is subpar, and the best typically come to the US.
Now even the top guys are coming over here.
I am surprised after seeing Gajser at the Vegas event not coming over here.
How long before MXGP tries supercross during the off season...
They are...its called "WSX". And they have to pay riders just to attend.
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do you really think that a lie repeated to exhaustion will became truth.....
or you just do it for the looks ??
What did he lie about?
There isn’t much European about WSX.
The simple matter of fact is it doesn’t work here. If it did, there would be a proper series by now. We don’t have the climate nor the stadia to make it happen. So we don’t do it. As a result, the USA has something that Europe can’t offer, and that is a shame, but there isn’t really anything that can be done
I'd tend to agree.... it's a shame though because there's a lot to like about the series, from the outside it seems like a few changes could make a big difference.
More International flavor here the better. Awesome. Could be the new Trans AMA series.
I’m conflicted. More talent here is absolutely better, but there are only 5 titles per year and the pros as well as amateurs in the US are GRINDING. Trading their childhood for a career only to not have a spot on a team. The more folks we get fighting for it is better for us as viewers, but more people fighting for the same 14 factory spots does make our sport more brutal than ever
It will be exciting to have the Coenens and De Wolf here in 26 ( if things go as they hope), but I think every moto fan should be worried about the health of the MXGP series. Prado is gone, Herlings, Febvre and Seewer are near the end age wise, Gasjer is 28 or 29? Who are the stars moving up to replace these guys? There are some solid 250 guys, but not sure any of them have that "it" factor that will create the juice the series needs
Riders have left in the past and will leave in the future, MXGP remains strong. There has been a structure created to develop talent and when those guys leave it will be next man up and some of those riders will end up being way better than we may anticipate right now, Tom Vialle is a prime example of that.
The question that not enough people are asking is where is all the young American talent? 250 teams in the USA are turning to sign guys like Smith, Anstie, Brown, Forkner, who are veterans of the class at this point, or they are signing riders from Europe. Where is the next crop of American talent to take the rides away from riders who have been in the class for nearly a decade in some cases and not delivered on their promise?
You're second paragraph is not wrong.
US Teams are stuck in this cycle of keeping the same dudes on Factory Rides forever even though they have a decade of not getting it done under their belt.
Jordon Smith is the perfect example, he's been bending subframes and handlebars on literally every Factory Team in the pits for a decade, dude ain't gonna change at this point but it sure seems like Triumph absolutely couldn't wait to get him on their team to test the durability of their subframes.
How many young guns has Kawi dropped millions on through the Amateur ranks only to let them go as Pros so that Macadoo and Hammaker can keep crashing KXs?
MXGP has gone backwards in terms of growth for the sport and it's being driven by greed. It produces some of the fastest riders in the world, and they are leaving. In an interview several months ago, Kay de Wolf said most of the paddock wants to leave and race in America.
Whether it's for the money, a childhood dream, or a little bit of both, when the best riders in the world are gravitating towards the AMA supercross and nationals, it is creating the most competitive and premier series in our sport. I love seeing riders from across the pond come to America and race. Hopefully more show up and it wakes MXGP up so that it can return to what it once was.
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Other than Deegan, who is there , really.
Nobody leaps out in the current crop, Ryder D was the next big thing that wasnt, and if both the Coenens come, and KDW, you will have the possibility that both HRC and KTM/Husky will all be non US riders in 2026.
Add to that , Tomac and Anderson reaching the end of their careers, Prado already being on Kawasaki, that leaves one seat in green, and Yamaha to house what US talent there is.
And has been said, why are Star willing to pay Anstie, instead of one of the younger guys?
Meanwhile, there are a bunch of guys here in Europe ready to step up, Laengenfelder, Benistant etc will all be as good as Vialle.
Saying that Benistant will be as good as Vialle is a stretch, no? He's already 22 and has 3 overall wins and zero titles. Vialle won 24 races and two titles by 23 years old. Benistant is talented but those two resumes are not similar.
This summer you had Deegan and Hymas killing it as second year pros, and Cochran and Beaumer putting in solid results as rookies. All of those guys are 18 or younger. Next will be Adams followed by the class of Dudney/Gordon/Gibson/etc. There will always be a steady stream of US talent coming through, some will make it some won't. Same as always.
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I do think the feeder system in Europe seems to be more effective than in the US, but in terms of where the top riders want to race, no one from the US is going to Europe. But in 2025 and 2026 we might see 4 to 6 top guys come this direction??? That is the problem I was referring to for the GP series... No matter how you spin it losing top riders to a competing series is not a good thing, especially when its the more charismatic types like Lucas who could create a lot of good buzz for whatever series they are racing
I dunno. I'd have to go through some Loretta's results to get examples I suppose.
But something tells me there had to have been a few kids passed over in the decade that Jordon Smith or others have been taking up Factory Rides.
What about Caden Braswell? Kid never really got a fair shake after being a top amateur, couldn't a kid like him potentially rise to the top if they had a few years on a factory ride?
Maybe, but we'll never know cause the Factory Teams love to put middle aged dudes on their bikes to test subframe and handlebar durability.
I guess at the end of the day, the dudes cutting the checks know what they want....
He has missed a ton of races with injury, but he has the potential to be as good as Reneaux.
And he will get the chance to be next year, meanwhile the 250 class in the US is full of people who wernt good enough to get a 450 ride, or did and couldnt keep it.
I am still on the fence about Sasha Coenen, once he gets his growth spurt, and stops getting starts, cos he weighs nothing, and has to battle a bit more, i dont think he will have such an easy time.
You have extreme bias in your discussion topics about mxgp. You can try and spin it anyway you want but when your series winners want to come to USA it’s not good for the series. It’s a completely separate argument on how riders get ready for pros.
"the 250 class in the US is full of people who weren't good enough to get a 450 ride, or did and couldnt keep it"
Off the top of my head, that description does not apply to:
Deegan
Kitchen
Hymas
Vialle
Shimoda
Brown
Vohland
Thrasher
Robertson
Hammaker
Beaumer
DiFrancecso
Mosiman
Cochran
McAdoo
Romano
Reynolds
Swoll
Bennick
Schwartz
Mumford
Fineis
Park
I'll give you, arguably, Smith, Hampshire, Forkner, Masterpool, Marchbanks, Schock, Anstie
Sorry those guys are not close to Vialle and never will be.
Also, MXGP has taken a hit due to the horrible tracks the guys ride. Lets clear a field and put an MX track there when there are so many good tracks in Europe that don't get put to use.
The MXGP in the Netherlands is a joke, lets dump some sand on a street course and call it motocross......
How about race at valkensward?
That's one thing the US has done well. Redbud, Millville, Washougal, High Point, Budds Creek, Southwick all REAL moto tracks. Not some made up for one weekend crap.
They haven’t raced at Assen for 5 years now, so based on that comment alone I’m sure you’re super up to date on all things MXGP
Gavin towers is coming back here next year too from the gp’s. His mx skill should be pretty high after a year there.
Can anyone confirm is coenan is going to drop back down to a 250 when he comes over? It would be a much better idea imo to learn sx in the 250 class for a few years before moving up.
But it’s nothing new for MXGP, riders have left Europe and gone to race in America for 30-40 years. MXGP was supposed to be in big trouble when Musquin and Roczen left, it ended up not being. There’s no shortage of talent here, someone will pick up the mantle and become the new guy or guys. At the end of the day, if riders want to race SX, what can they do about that?
As fast as both brothers are, they have to stay off the ground. Hitting the deck as often as they do would be broken bones if it was sx.
Well they have to go to the US, because none of the US riders will ride the World Championship.
If De Wulf does West Coast, Deegan will do East 100%.
Everyone here has grown up watching SX, and AMA, its always been a goal , problem is , most of you are clueless about GP's.
I remember when we were at MXoN in Germany, Dungey was getting beaten in one of the saturday races by Valentin Guillod, when he was still an EMX rider, two Americans in front of me didnt even know what EMX was.
And when our guys hear what mediocre US riders get paid, to race half the field in 250 SX, and struggle to break the top 15 outdoors, they want a bit of it.
As it stands now, both series are on a downward trend with investment, Triumph and Ducati are coming , but the world that they thought they were coming to is already long gone, too many manufacturers chasing too few buyers, which is one reason why PM are canning GasGas and Husqvarna .
So much fail here....
First of all, Americans do go race MXGP....it's just that they only do that once they know they can't make a living racing here. Why would they go race a second rate series if they can stay here and race the Premier Series' in the world? So they can travel around to a bunch of third world shit holes and ride tracks that absolutely suck? Sounds awesome....
Deegan ain't gonna dodge De Wolf, he'll be in 450s by then. If you think he's gonna dodge De Wolf if Kay does a few races to start the year this year... well that's honestly just stupid.
So Guillod was leading Dungey in a qualifier race that nobody remembers or gives a fuck about huh? Woah. So relevant. I GUARANTEE that if you asked Guillod if he'd trade his mediocre career for what Dungey accomplished he'd be willing to do anything to make that happen.
Both series are in a downward trend in investment huh? Is that why the US finishes off our Series' by paying out MILLIONS in purse money? Is that a downward or upward trend in investment? Just because MXGP is a joke and is bleeding teams doesn't mean we are in America.
You can't honestly believe all that complete bullshit you typed can you? You come across as a pretty smart fella but....
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