Stark Is Having A 20% Off Sale

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Pass the pipe bubba...

Magoofan wrote:
Beat me to it....Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring...

Beat me to it....

Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring issues with them.  

The Kool-Aid is strong.

 

In Florida we just had a gas shortage, people were going crazy. 

Had no problem charging my wife’s electric mustang though. 

 

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Maybe Honda is close to releasing the electric CR ?

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wr74 wrote:

Maybe Honda is close to releasing the electric CR ?

After only one professional motocross race!

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wr74 wrote:

Maybe Honda is close to releasing the electric CR ?

After only one professional motocross race!

After only one professional motocross race!

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Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying, it could happen..  LOL.

My money is still on Suzuki to win that race, they announced long ago their intentions to go electric, their dirtbike segment has been stagnant for years, they are still sponsoring MX races proving they are not going anywhere, they have well-kept secrets coming I am telling you.  I hope I am wrong, that is the one brand I do not want (sorry guys, I do not like yellow).

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Pass the pipe bubba...

Magoofan wrote:
Beat me to it....Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring...

Beat me to it....

Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring issues with them.  

The Kool-Aid is strong.

 

oceantrav wrote:

In Florida we just had a gas shortage, people were going crazy. 

Had no problem charging my wife’s electric mustang though. 

 

Wasn't there just mass power outages in Florida due to the hurricane? 

Bet that would give you a problem charging your wife's electric mustang.

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10/16/2024 6:33am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2024 9:22am

New KTM freeride E presented tomorrow (gen 1 released in 2014, gen 2 in 2017). I doubt it would be competitive with the Varg, it's a different market (trail/beginner bike) but hopefully they'll prove me wrong.

By the way 2017 was also the year when Honda revealed its electric prototype. I hope they're about getting ready to release it, that was such a looooong time ago!

And just for the fun of it, I'll bet Ducati releases an electric MX bike before Suzuki 🤣

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Magoofan wrote:
Beat me to it....Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring...

Beat me to it....

Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring issues with them.  

The Kool-Aid is strong.

 

oceantrav wrote:

In Florida we just had a gas shortage, people were going crazy. 

Had no problem charging my wife’s electric mustang though. 

 

Wasn't there just mass power outages in Florida due to the hurricane? 

Bet that would give you a problem charging your wife's electric mustang.

Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. 

We still had electricity though so charging her car was easy. 

Not that I’m a fan of electric cars, but during that time they shined 

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Wasn't there just mass power outages in Florida due to the hurricane? 

Bet that would give you a problem charging your wife's electric mustang.

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I will just use the Stark money for the EM e-pure trials bike with manual clutch and 4 speed transmission instead. When it comes time for...

I will just use the Stark money for the EM e-pure trials bike with manual clutch and 4 speed transmission instead. When it comes time for the E-MX bike in my stable, it'll be the Honda, Kove, or whatever. Only chance for the Stark is a deal of lifetime scenario...yes, I am bitter. It is what it is.

You really said Kove??

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wr74 wrote:

Maybe Honda is close to releasing the electric CR ?

After only one professional motocross race!

After only one professional motocross race!

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Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying...

Not to be a contrarian, but by that logic, how many professional motocross races did Stark enter before going to market?  😉  I am just saying, it could happen..  LOL.

My money is still on Suzuki to win that race, they announced long ago their intentions to go electric, their dirtbike segment has been stagnant for years, they are still sponsoring MX races proving they are not going anywhere, they have well-kept secrets coming I am telling you.  I hope I am wrong, that is the one brand I do not want (sorry guys, I do not like yellow).

Suzuki doesn’t even have an R&D team developing bikes so I really doubt they will be the first major with a e motocrosser. 

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10/16/2024 9:34am
I will just use the Stark money for the EM e-pure trials bike with manual clutch and 4 speed transmission instead. When it comes time for...

I will just use the Stark money for the EM e-pure trials bike with manual clutch and 4 speed transmission instead. When it comes time for the E-MX bike in my stable, it'll be the Honda, Kove, or whatever. Only chance for the Stark is a deal of lifetime scenario...yes, I am bitter. It is what it is.

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You really said Kove??

I did. Reality is that I will more than likely do a YZF conversion or wait til Honda or whoever comes out with one. I am glad Stark customers are mostly happy with the bikes, I probably would have been too. But the fuckery with the early deposit folks like me has soured the enthusiasm for the bike/brand. People can thumbs down all they want, it'd have to be a fantastic deal to have a Stark in my garage at this point.

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oceantrav wrote:
Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. We still had electricity though so charging her car was...

Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. 

We still had electricity though so charging her car was easy. 

Not that I’m a fan of electric cars, but during that time they shined 

But what if the power went out?  Or they turned it off. 

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But what if the power went out?  Or they turned it off. 

Then there would be no power to pump gas.

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I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but...

I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but then you get a whole new car again. I have free lifetime charging so I haven’t paid for gas in 5 years.  That has saved me more then the cost of the car.  The new teslas batteries are supposed to last 500,000 miles or more. Batteries get better each year.  And I could never drive a gas car again.  Performance, lack of maintence and simple things like oil changes, no smog etc are added bonuses.  Buddy has 750,000 miles on his model s and he has done 2 motors and a battery but says it drives the same as the day he bought it. 

Sorry, not buying this story. You didn't mention anything about tires? your friend's car is like new after 750k? LMAO. 

My friends Tesla burned down his house.

Just saying

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10/16/2024 10:20am
philG wrote:

But what if the power went out?  Or they turned it off. 

LungButter wrote:

Then there would be no power to pump gas.

Plenty of stations were just running on generators the last few days. 

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oceantrav wrote:
Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. We still had electricity though so charging her car was...

Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. 

We still had electricity though so charging her car was easy. 

Not that I’m a fan of electric cars, but during that time they shined 

philG wrote:

But what if the power went out?  Or they turned it off. 

approx. seven Tesla's burned up when in contact with sea water

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New KTM freeride E presented tomorrow (gen 1 released in 2014, gen 2 in 2017). I doubt it would be competitive with the Varg, it's a...

New KTM freeride E presented tomorrow (gen 1 released in 2014, gen 2 in 2017). I doubt it would be competitive with the Varg, it's a different market (trail/beginner bike) but hopefully they'll prove me wrong.

By the way 2017 was also the year when Honda revealed its electric prototype. I hope they're about getting ready to release it, that was such a looooong time ago!

And just for the fun of it, I'll bet Ducati releases an electric MX bike before Suzuki 🤣

Rumours are 5.54kw battery and 26-32 horsepower.

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Charge it with one of my 5 generators lol


I think the car is stupid, so I’m not trying to argue. It’s my wife’s car

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oceantrav wrote:
Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. We still had electricity though so charging her car was...

Yup, hurricane caused a gas shortage and was impossible to get gas last week here near Tampa. 

We still had electricity though so charging her car was easy. 

Not that I’m a fan of electric cars, but during that time they shined 

philG wrote:

But what if the power went out?  Or they turned it off. 

You cant pump gas without electricity either.  so You need power and gas being delivered.   There is also a certain amount of gas in every station that is owned by the government that they can not sell.  At least that was what I was told by a Cumberland farms manager when they "ran" out of gas.   They said they still had X amount in the tanks, but could not sell it because the government owned it.  

 

With a good solar panel system You can charge as long as its light outside. So as long as the sun comes out , and the storm has not destroyed them.  Even on cloudy days.  And a well built system would also have storage for power to help get through those days.

 

You can also make Your own biodiesel , but how many people are refining their own gasoline in their backyards?  

 

Really You can end up screwed with either type of vehicle depending on what happens.       

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I did. Reality is that I will more than likely do a YZF conversion or wait til Honda or whoever comes out with one. I am...

I did. Reality is that I will more than likely do a YZF conversion or wait til Honda or whoever comes out with one. I am glad Stark customers are mostly happy with the bikes, I probably would have been too. But the fuckery with the early deposit folks like me has soured the enthusiasm for the bike/brand. People can thumbs down all they want, it'd have to be a fantastic deal to have a Stark in my garage at this point.

I wasn’t aware they had any plans for one yet. Still waiting for their 450. By many accounts the rally bike is solid. 

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kapaa10 wrote:
I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but...

I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but then you get a whole new car again. I have free lifetime charging so I haven’t paid for gas in 5 years.  That has saved me more then the cost of the car.  The new teslas batteries are supposed to last 500,000 miles or more. Batteries get better each year.  And I could never drive a gas car again.  Performance, lack of maintence and simple things like oil changes, no smog etc are added bonuses.  Buddy has 750,000 miles on his model s and he has done 2 motors and a battery but says it drives the same as the day he bought it. 

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Sorry, not buying this story. You didn't mention anything about tires? your friend's car is like new after 750k? LMAO. My friends Tesla burned down his house.Just...

Sorry, not buying this story. You didn't mention anything about tires? your friend's car is like new after 750k? LMAO. 

My friends Tesla burned down his house.

Just saying

Yes it still runs the same as when he bought it. Eva’s don’t have all the parts that break down like gas cars.  And tires so if you drive a gas car 750,000 miles you won’t change tires?? 

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10/16/2024 12:28pm Edited Date/Time 10/16/2024 12:29pm

Something to be said about how easy the buying process looks, all the pricing and fees are right there and you can buy it with many different forms of payment and it shows up to your house. 

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I have solar and Tesla powerwall so I will never be without power. And you don’t need a stupid generator.  But I have knowledge to build battery packs also so if I go electric bike route I would build a battery pack and never need a generator and also never need the power grid.  I had a battery pack for my sons ktm ebike and it worked great.  But people love the stupid generator and what if the grid goes out argument. 

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kapaa10 wrote:
I have solar and Tesla powerwall so I will never be without power. And you don’t need a stupid generator.  But I have knowledge to build...

I have solar and Tesla powerwall so I will never be without power. And you don’t need a stupid generator.  But I have knowledge to build battery packs also so if I go electric bike route I would build a battery pack and never need a generator and also never need the power grid.  I had a battery pack for my sons ktm ebike and it worked great.  But people love the stupid generator and what if the grid goes out argument. 

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20% represents a MAJOR correction. It may be that Stark overbuilt to satisfy the larger than expected demand, and now they are adjusting to the long-term...

20% represents a MAJOR correction. It may be that Stark overbuilt to satisfy the larger than expected demand, and now they are adjusting to the long-term forecast by blowing out units.

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Or, like the automotive side of EVs, battery costs have plummeted, which have lowered sticker prices without impacting overall model profitability. Yes, demand has slowed, but...

Or, like the automotive side of EVs, battery costs have plummeted, which have lowered sticker prices without impacting overall model profitability. Yes, demand has slowed, but it is still growing. 

Materials costs will drop as widespread adoption occurs. Just look at a once-exotic tech like OLED TVs: The cost of entry for a 65" LG OLED was around $10K in 2014. Ten years later you can buy one for around $2,000. 

65" LG OLED TVs are starting around $1,500 now.

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kapaa10 wrote:

Sux for the resell market.  People that already bought them and trying to sell them take a big hit.

Isn't that the case with all electric vehicles, though?  Didn't Tesla have a huge price correction a year or so ago as well?  The batteries have...

Isn't that the case with all electric vehicles, though?  Didn't Tesla have a huge price correction a year or so ago as well?  The batteries have a limited life span and when they die they usually cost more to replace than the vehicle is worth, right?  I don't own any electric vehicles so I'm not an expert on this, but that is what I've heard.

kapaa10 wrote:
I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but...

I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but then you get a whole new car again. I have free lifetime charging so I haven’t paid for gas in 5 years.  That has saved me more then the cost of the car.  The new teslas batteries are supposed to last 500,000 miles or more. Batteries get better each year.  And I could never drive a gas car again.  Performance, lack of maintence and simple things like oil changes, no smog etc are added bonuses.  Buddy has 750,000 miles on his model s and he has done 2 motors and a battery but says it drives the same as the day he bought it. 

Did someone say Tesla? I get lots of weird looks, especially with a 2T on the back. It's like saying I love the environment but don't give a shit at the same time😀😅

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I've been on the fence to get a Stark for a while now but never pulled the trigger. Thanks to this thread making me aware of the little discount they rolled out, I should have a grey 80HP Varg in my garage within the next 10 days. 

I earn a living in the oil & gas industry and love race fuel, but it's hard to beat the power curve of an electric engine. I am excited to get my hands on this thing!

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2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power, looked great , but made one appearance. 

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philG wrote:
2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power...

2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power, looked great , but made one appearance. 

That's a bummer to hear they won't work for something that 99.99% of dirt bike owners will never do.  😘

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philG wrote:
2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power...

2 freinds built them for SM, put a ton of money into them but they wont last a race without overheating or running out of power, looked great , but made one appearance. 

I'm an SM rider as well. Saw one at the track the other week and dam it was fast...while it lasted. 

Appears the range/performance is even worse when on an SM track. That right here is a deal breaker for me and takes the Varg off the table. I'll just keep ripping my 450 SMR. 

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