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U.S. Seeks to Ban Powersport Manufacturer CFMoto
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Seems like poorly thought out legislation with CFMoto as collateral damage. Either that or congress has their tinfoil hats on.
It sure isn't going to be easy to wean the American consumer off the teat of cheap Chinese products, but as they become the primary threat to US foreign policy, I'm afraid it is a necessary evil. Based on what I read, though, they are only looking to ban road going products. You'll still likely be able to buy all the cheap ATVs you want.
Why does my motorcycle or my car need to be "connected". Just make an old school motorcycle, problem solved.
I bought a YAMAHA Tenere 700 because of it's lack of "technology".
It’s all smoke and mirrors, there is zero chance this country ever gets into a hot war with China, absolutely zero. We’re way too interdependent on each other to make that an even remote possibility, but it’s an easy way for politicians to gin everybody up and make it easier to force asinine legislation down our throats that they can profit from. It’s just another “problem” created by our own government so they can sell us a “solution”.
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There's no realistic path to this anymore. The percentage of our products that are made in China is huge. India will step up and make more but life would have to drastically change for the US to stop using so much Chinese made stuff.
Do CFMoto bikes have a SIM card that uploads data to the cloud? If not how is China supposed to get the data? Don't connect your bike to the Internet and no one will have access to it. My washing machine and refrigerator have wifi cards in them, doesn't mean I have to allow them on my network.
With a sim card it's possible that they don't even need access to your network to communicate with a broader system.
I don't think it's the data thing. It's simply, we in the western world (regardless of US, Germany, Sweden, France etc..) cannot compete with China. They make (almost) as good products, sometimes much worse, sometimes equal but MUCH cheaper. There was a long piece on Deutsche Welle on why the german car manufacturers are in really big trouble and it was not due to them making bad cars, but due to the fact that the chinese making (again almost) as good cars, sometimes not as 'track ready' (for those who care) but with usually superior software and MUCH much cheaper.
Why, well, we in the western world don't have employees who are willing to work at such low wages.
Then you wonder, how come the chinese have so quickly caught up, both in car design and chassie dynamics etc? well, money talks... you work for Audi, you work for Cadillac... the chinese offer you a really cozy job with a VERY high compensation package and suddenly they have all the skills and experience in the world.
We will lose this battle... it sucks... I have nothing against the chinese but I don't want my western world to go down the drain... but it's going to get hard.... it's not the data, it's not anything with espionage...it's we are losing the battle since they can product good products at much lower cost and WE helped them by going there and helping them since they offered great paychecks for us foreingers with skills.
Eventually when the population there wants the same quality of life as Americans, the prices will be even and it'll be a different 3rd world country where everything gets made.
The thing about living under a dictatorship is that when the dictator gets mad, he usually gets his way. AKA: people don’t protest as much when they know firing squads are a phone call away.
Actually there is a chance… namely with Taiwan.. (not a conspiracy take) I cannot and will not delve into the reasons further
Don't you mean Formosa?
Wasn't that a westerner title used like 100 years ago? Pretty sure no one uses that and the locals never really did
This seems like something that could be challenged using the Supreme Court's recent Chevron ruling that said unelected bureaucrats don't have the authority to make rules like this.
The CCP refers to Taiwan as the breakaway province of Formosa.
I'm a little confused by your response, you're saying that you disagree with my statement but refuse to give any reasons why? Sorry, I don't buy the narrative that China and the US are willing to throw away almost $1 trillion in annual trade over a small island nation, and the people I know in Taiwan feel the same way. Maybe I'm reading the room wrong, but the Taiwan situation seems like a great opportunity for the government to get the American people all ginned up for another cold war to allocate resources to, all the while knowing damn well that an actual hot war is in the best interest of absolutely nobody involved and is not likely to happen. That's my take anyways.
Have either of you ever been there? When I went I was absolutely shocked at the level of deceit and propaganda our media feeds us about China, it's nothing like they portray. While there is still intense poverty in some areas, there are zero homeless on the streets, the main freeways are immaculate, the airport was incredibly nice, and everywhere I went there were small independently owned businesses that employed their people directly. They even pay significantly lower taxes than we do here in America on the individual and corporate level. China has its fair share of problems don't get me wrong, but it's not even remotely like the communist hellscape our media likes to portray and in fact didn't seem any more prone to government surveillance than we have here at home.
There was ZERO chance varg wouldn’t be allowed to race with ICE either’ See how that works.
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Fearless leader hasn’t made the phone call yet. Just never forget that he can, and will face no consequences if he does.
No I don’t, because the Varg is being raced with ICE all over the world?
During the global pandemic, Australia pushed for an international inquiry about the source of the pandemic, China cut governmental ties with Australia, and a Chinese official threatened a nuclear strike against an Australian City, all media coverage of the threat was removed 2 days later, 12 months later AUKUS was announced.
China also stopped importing Australian coal, which was worth $15 billion annually, causing power blackouts in China, this continued for many years until a new Australian government was elected.
You are reading the room wrong, China has demonstrated their willingness to throw away trade, and has threaten a hot war with one of their trading partners.
China also plays the long game. It's a bit of an unknown where their military's tech is at currently, but the one things for sure, they have a shit ton of people if there ever was some boots on the ground scenario.
That being said, comparing their trade with Australia and the US is apples and oranges. Not only in terms of what we buy from them, but the big companies based here that have factories in China, and our advanced tech that they still need until they steal enough to catch up(think chips). If they do end up going to war with the US, it will be a world changing decision that will force everyone to pick sides.
They’re trying the same thing with DJI except there’s literally no comparable alternative and it sucks. Worried about national security yet they’re banning the only drone that geofences military bases
Except where it's not.
This. I don't need "the internet of things."
CFMoto's telematics-box (T-Box) and the CFMoto Ride app would constitute onboard networked hardware with automotive software systems to communicate, meaning if the proposed rules pass, CFMoto models that run this type of hardware and software would be banned by 2027.
Just send me the regular version and both of us will be fine.
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