250 and 450 words are nothing but crap

WideOpen
Profile picture for user WideOpen
Posts
203
Joined
4/15/2010
Location
US
WideOpen 6/2/2010 6:48pm
6/2/2010 6:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:17pm
Ddavis wrote:
Steve Cox brought up nothing but harsh reality, the USGP sucked. Low attendence, boring racing, lack of AMA star power showed up, etc. Nothing wrong with...
Steve Cox brought up nothing but harsh reality, the USGP sucked. Low attendence, boring racing, lack of AMA star power showed up, etc. Nothing wrong with what he said
There was plenty of star power there.

As far as boring racing is have you been to a National in the last 2 yrs. There is no racing. Its a joke.

The nationals use to be a great time but cutting everything down to one day is a crock of shit.
pummel
Profile picture for user pummel
Posts
972
Joined
6/2/2010
Location
Salem, OR US
pummel 6/2/2010 7:11pm
6/2/2010 7:11pm
"Lack of AMA star power" Reed wasn't there but the other moto winner from last week was! I don't know if anyone would have beaten BT 101 in the second moto. I spent a lot of money to fly down to GH and watch the usgp and I'm very glad I did.
zookrider62!
Profile picture for user zookrider62!
Posts
6825
Joined
12/22/2008
Location
Plano, TX US
zookrider62! 6/2/2010 7:28pm
6/2/2010 7:28pm
GuyB wrote:
Uh...no.
tyler evans might disagree
Outsider
Profile picture for user Outsider
Posts
10628
Joined
1/29/2009
Location
Huntington Beach, CA US
Outsider 6/2/2010 7:34pm
6/2/2010 7:34pm
Masonry wrote:
Cox did a great job of bitching about the negatives.
Right on.

The Shop

See All »
The Rock
Profile picture for user The Rock
Posts
8758
Joined
3/21/2007
Location
HAIKU, HI US
The Rock 6/2/2010 7:48pm
6/2/2010 7:48pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2010 7:51pm
The Rock wrote:
I respect his opinion but my biggest issue is with Nerd's "fatal flaw" comment. Call it what you want (thankfully I only wasted my time on...
I respect his opinion but my biggest issue is with Nerd's "fatal flaw" comment.


Call it what you want (thankfully I only wasted my time on 450 words) but this is just more of the gospel according to Nerd.


I'm hoping he'll return here soon as it's been too long since anyone's told me what I am thinking.....I .always enjoy this display of omnipotence.
Outsider wrote:
You're thinking of this... How'd I do?
You're thinking of this...




How'd I do?

Damn you're GOOD! Grin
FreshTopEnd
Profile picture for user FreshTopEnd
Posts
13005
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Sacramento, CA US
FreshTopEnd 6/2/2010 8:08pm
6/2/2010 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:17pm
kardy wrote:
I think the 250 and 450 words thing is an op-ed piece more than a race report, no? They do a race report directly after the...
I think the 250 and 450 words thing is an op-ed piece more than a race report, no? They do a race report directly after the races.
zookrider62! wrote:
show me any other 450/250 words that doesnt mention where a single rider finished.
http://www.racerxonline.com/...steel-city-2009.aspx I'm pretty sure there's more. Maybe not Steve's best work, but I expect his point was primarily his opinion on what Americans are attracted to for better or worse, what was missing, and what needs to happen for that to change.
mxaddicted
Profile picture for user mxaddicted
Posts
85
Joined
5/19/2008
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA US
mxaddicted 6/2/2010 8:24pm
6/2/2010 8:24pm
If I was DC I would be embarrased having Cox working for me! Racerx is becoming MXA with there biased opinions!
zookrider62!
Profile picture for user zookrider62!
Posts
6825
Joined
12/22/2008
Location
Plano, TX US
zookrider62! 6/2/2010 8:28pm
6/2/2010 8:28pm
kardy wrote:
I think the 250 and 450 words thing is an op-ed piece more than a race report, no? They do a race report directly after the...
I think the 250 and 450 words thing is an op-ed piece more than a race report, no? They do a race report directly after the races.
zookrider62! wrote:
show me any other 450/250 words that doesnt mention where a single rider finished.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
http://www.racerxonline.com/...steel-city-2009.aspx I'm pretty sure there's more. Maybe not Steve's best work, but I expect his point was primarily his opinion on what Americans are attracted to...
http://www.racerxonline.com/...steel-city-2009.aspx I'm pretty sure there's more. Maybe not Steve's best work, but I expect his point was primarily his opinion on what Americans are attracted to for better or worse, what was missing, and what needs to happen for that to change.
I am impressed, that 250 words has very little to do with the race other then describing the 2 riders who battled for the championship
DC
Profile picture for user DC
Posts
3889
Joined
5/1/2009
Location
Morgantown, WV US
DC 6/3/2010 7:03am
6/3/2010 7:03am
Gang, I have been out at High Point all week working and I am no flying to Texas. I was not at the GP, I did not read (let alone edit) Steve's take, and I think he was harsh too. But I have read some of the breathless accounts that went on over there, which has absolutely no substance or critical opinion whatsoever, especially from the Grand Prix "media." His take is no different than those of the "media" that somehow missed the fact that a track structure landed on two riders and ended the race prematurely, only he's pointing out the not-so-successful aspects of a race that has seen a lot of people get carried away, for reasons that really have more to do with geography than partisan politics.

Bottom line, from an outsider's view: There are people who had a great time at the event, and ones that didn't. That's the one thing everyone does agree on, plus the facts that Musquin and Cairoli and Townley are badasses, and Mike Alessi had a weird day. And while there weren't many people out there watching, maybe there will be in the future.

DC
MX Sports
TFS
Profile picture for user TFS
Posts
375
Joined
6/3/2010
Location
Memphis, TN US
TFS 6/3/2010 7:17am
6/3/2010 7:17am
Sounds like a lot of whining.

The USGP is a great tradition, and it's back.

Kinetic1
Profile picture for user Kinetic1
Posts
2796
Joined
6/4/2009
Location
Gun Lake, MI US
Kinetic1 6/3/2010 7:29am
6/3/2010 7:29am
Let's all try to remember that this was a last minute "first time" effort. I am pleased to have the USGP back and am hoping to attend next year. I watched the races online and thought they were great.
As for Cox and 250/450 words... I didn't read either but it seems to me that it's his column and his opinion/ observation. We do normally get race results mixed in but let's not pretend we don't get those in several other places. In short, stop whining about it and move on. Be thankful for all the press our little sport gets.
track guy
Profile picture for user track guy
Posts
103
Joined
2/26/2010
Location
Chicago, IL US
track guy 6/3/2010 7:54am
6/3/2010 7:54am
cox is biased? or is cox writing what he is told to write that is the real question?
adamdf
Profile picture for user adamdf
Posts
2129
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
St. Michael BB
adamdf 6/3/2010 8:20am
6/3/2010 8:20am
track guy wrote:
cox is biased? or is cox writing what he is told to write that is the real question?
dumbest post in the thread..?? or just the most insulting?
TFS
Profile picture for user TFS
Posts
375
Joined
6/3/2010
Location
Memphis, TN US
TFS 6/3/2010 8:23am
6/3/2010 8:23am
Cox is a good guy, and he's going to say what he thinks. Naturally, what anyone thinks depends on where they are.

People are expecting too much due to the situation.

RX is the same company that runs the Nats. The nats see the USGP as competition and a threat. What should one except if a competitor gets to come in and work media? I cant think of another sport where this happens. It's just bizarre, but people are used to it and forget.

Youthstream does not have a magazine or even try to play both sides like Morgantown does.

Grendel
Profile picture for user Grendel
Posts
2559
Joined
5/17/2008
Location
US
Grendel 6/3/2010 8:39am
6/3/2010 8:39am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2010 8:40am
TFS wrote:
Cox is a good guy, and he's going to say what he thinks. Naturally, what anyone thinks depends on where they are. People are expecting too...
Cox is a good guy, and he's going to say what he thinks. Naturally, what anyone thinks depends on where they are.

People are expecting too much due to the situation.

RX is the same company that runs the Nats. The nats see the USGP as competition and a threat. What should one except if a competitor gets to come in and work media? I cant think of another sport where this happens. It's just bizarre, but people are used to it and forget.

Youthstream does not have a magazine or even try to play both sides like Morgantown does.

I can't think of a sport where a journalist gets denied a press pass because someone made a prank phone call to their internet show.
panic revver 6/3/2010 8:44am
6/3/2010 8:44am
TFS wrote:
Cox is a good guy, and he's going to say what he thinks. Naturally, what anyone thinks depends on where they are. People are expecting too...
Cox is a good guy, and he's going to say what he thinks. Naturally, what anyone thinks depends on where they are.

People are expecting too much due to the situation.

RX is the same company that runs the Nats. The nats see the USGP as competition and a threat. What should one except if a competitor gets to come in and work media? I cant think of another sport where this happens. It's just bizarre, but people are used to it and forget.

Youthstream does not have a magazine or even try to play both sides like Morgantown does.

Grendel wrote:
I can't think of a sport where a journalist gets denied a press pass because someone made a prank phone call to their internet show.
I can't think of another sport where a journalist made a prank phone call to an internet show.
Grendel
Profile picture for user Grendel
Posts
2559
Joined
5/17/2008
Location
US
Grendel 6/3/2010 8:47am
6/3/2010 8:47am
panic revver wrote:
I can't think of another sport where a journalist made a prank phone call to an internet show.
Ha! That as well. The intimacy of it all certainly keeps the secrets minimal and the drama flowing, though.

Pit Row

See All »
DownSouth
Profile picture for user DownSouth
Posts
9891
Joined
7/5/2008
Location
Tallapoosa, GA US
DownSouth 6/3/2010 8:52am
6/3/2010 8:52am
So which journalist is allegedly the fake Guiseppi?
500guy
Profile picture for user 500guy
Posts
12473
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
AZ US
500guy 6/3/2010 8:54am
6/3/2010 8:54am
Matthes seemed to think it was a MXA deal keeping him out, they think he's negative towards them.

MXXA being the great positive Magazine it is.
Grendel
Profile picture for user Grendel
Posts
2559
Joined
5/17/2008
Location
US
Grendel 6/3/2010 8:57am
6/3/2010 8:57am
500guy wrote:
Matthes seemed to think it was a MXA deal keeping him out, they think he's negative towards them.

MXXA being the great positive Magazine it is.
From http://forum.pulpmx.com/content/no-gp-press-pass-matthes :

"I couldn't get a real answer from Mario Marini (the USA GP press guy) about what it was that I wrote got me in trouble. I pointed out all I have done for the GP's but he wasn't having it. Finally another journalist told me that he heard it was the Pulpmx Show fake "Guiseppe" call that got me banned as well as some things that I have written in the Italian magazine, Motocross.

I have no idea when the fake Guiseppe is going to call in or what he's going to say but I have to admit that it is funny so I let it keep going. And the whole thing with the magazine, well I've been consistent the whole time with my feelings so thats what I wrote for them as well.

Whatever, it doesn't bother me. I'm out $130 bucks but thats ok, look at all the races I've gotten in free at in my life. No big deal."
500guy
Profile picture for user 500guy
Posts
12473
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
AZ US
500guy 6/3/2010 9:06am
6/3/2010 9:06am
500guy wrote:
Matthes seemed to think it was a MXA deal keeping him out, they think he's negative towards them.

MXXA being the great positive Magazine it is.
Grendel wrote:
From [url=http://forum.pulpmx.com/content/no-gp-press-pass-matthes]http://forum.pulpmx.com/content/no-gp-press-pass-matthes[/url] : "I couldn't get a real answer from Mario Marini (the USA GP press guy) about what it was that I wrote got me...
From http://forum.pulpmx.com/content/no-gp-press-pass-matthes :

"I couldn't get a real answer from Mario Marini (the USA GP press guy) about what it was that I wrote got me in trouble. I pointed out all I have done for the GP's but he wasn't having it. Finally another journalist told me that he heard it was the Pulpmx Show fake "Guiseppe" call that got me banned as well as some things that I have written in the Italian magazine, Motocross.

I have no idea when the fake Guiseppe is going to call in or what he's going to say but I have to admit that it is funny so I let it keep going. And the whole thing with the magazine, well I've been consistent the whole time with my feelings so thats what I wrote for them as well.

Whatever, it doesn't bother me. I'm out $130 bucks but thats ok, look at all the races I've gotten in free at in my life. No big deal."
Well then , New shit has come to light.

What a fucking douche for not letting him in.
Grendel
Profile picture for user Grendel
Posts
2559
Joined
5/17/2008
Location
US
Grendel 6/3/2010 9:18am
6/3/2010 9:18am
Agreed, that's some insanely petty bullshit.
pie8man
Profile picture for user pie8man
Posts
634
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Loveland, CO US
pie8man 6/3/2010 9:32am
6/3/2010 9:32am
My take on the USGP. Until the US riders take it seriously it is simply just another GP. I am a moto fan and can barely stomach to watch the poor TV coverage of the GP's that we get here in America. I spend enough time in front of a computer to sit and watch the motos in my office. I would rather wash filters and get ready to ride. If the GP's want some American fans they are going to have to offer the opportunity for us to be a fan. I get GP race coverage on channel 410 ALTITUDE on Dish Network. The picture is so poor that you cannot read the numbers on the bikes and can barely read the text on the screen. I thought the 250 and 450 words were spot on, albeit a touch extreme. I wish I could have gone.
MX Raptor 6/3/2010 9:43am
6/3/2010 9:43am
500guy wrote:
Well then , New shit has come to light.

What a fucking douche for not letting him in.
Nothing against Matthes, especially since I spent the bulk of my youth knowing him and his brother. Still, when you play the role of a joker there's often a price. Plus, it's up to the owners to decide who they give freebies to, like he said, no big deal, he seems over it.

If I remember correctly Andrew Dice Clay and the Jerky Boys were staples back in the day. Not everyone can take it.
MX Raptor 6/3/2010 9:45am
6/3/2010 9:45am
Off course Bauer "gets it", look at his current role, that guy bleeds pure MX soul
RACEGUY
Profile picture for user RACEGUY
Posts
1893
Joined
8/25/2009
Location
Moncton CA
RACEGUY 6/3/2010 9:52am
6/3/2010 9:52am
Unfortunately, there is a significant difference between European and North American broadcast standards. Once again, we are the holdouts sticking with our outdated NTSC standard, while most other countries in the world broadcast in PAL or the slightly less popular SECAM.

Yes, we share the same broadcast standard as ANTARCTICA.

What's happening is, by the time the signal is made accessible to your NTSC TV, the quality has suffered beyond repair.

The same signal in a country that broadcasts in PAL or SECAM is actally far better quality than the feeds we get in our North American homes on a day-to-day basis.

Someday, we will wake up and join the rest of the world.
RACEGUY
Profile picture for user RACEGUY
Posts
1893
Joined
8/25/2009
Location
Moncton CA
RACEGUY 6/3/2010 9:55am
6/3/2010 9:55am
Sorry guys...meant to quote Pie8man so you'd know where that little technical briefing was coming from.Blush
DanDunes818
Profile picture for user DanDunes818
Posts
6979
Joined
10/11/2008
Location
Portland, OR US
DanDunes818 6/3/2010 10:27am
6/3/2010 10:27am
pie8man wrote:
My take on the USGP. Until the US riders take it seriously it is simply just another GP. I am a moto fan and can barely...
My take on the USGP. Until the US riders take it seriously it is simply just another GP. I am a moto fan and can barely stomach to watch the poor TV coverage of the GP's that we get here in America. I spend enough time in front of a computer to sit and watch the motos in my office. I would rather wash filters and get ready to ride. If the GP's want some American fans they are going to have to offer the opportunity for us to be a fan. I get GP race coverage on channel 410 ALTITUDE on Dish Network. The picture is so poor that you cannot read the numbers on the bikes and can barely read the text on the screen. I thought the 250 and 450 words were spot on, albeit a touch extreme. I wish I could have gone.
pie8man...wtf are you talking about. The video coverage of the GP's in America is 2nd to none. The internet coverage is commercial free HD live streaming. The best live stream of any sport I've ever seen in fact. If you don't like looking at your computer run a hdmi cable from your computer to your flat screen and presto it's on your TV. I for one hope we never get TV coverage of the GP's. If we do the internet coverage will get blocked and we'll get whatever coverage they can squeeze into a hr show riddled with geico and progressive insurance commercials. Not to mention it probably won't be shown for a week or so after the event takes place rather than live as it is today. That's the last thing I want. Sure Paul Malin is annoying at times and incredibly biased towards his GBR riders but whatever. It's commercial free live MX and that's all i care about.
IntenseRider
Profile picture for user IntenseRider
Posts
320
Joined
12/4/2007
Location
Mc Donald, PA US
IntenseRider 6/3/2010 11:00am
6/3/2010 11:00am
Matthes is lucky they let him stay in the country, let alone get the boot from the GP. Tongue



http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Games+critic+denied+entry/2533650/sto…



Bottom line - it happens in other sports, events, etc. where press agents are denied access. Done deal - time to move on.

Hey, have you heard that there is a race in Texas this weekend?



Post a reply to: 250 and 450 words are nothing but crap