MXGP Rumours/Silly season

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I don't think getting free bikes is enough to cover the extra costs to get a TM engine at the level needed, especially compared to allready having in house knowledge how to get the kawas up and running (and probably having a bunch of spare parts). There is a reason we don't see any privateer teams with TMs (or Hondas or Yamahas or Kawas) in MX2 and EMX. 

 

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TM would be quite a stretch imo. Would be cool to see, don't get me wrong. But when was the last time we had a TM team with serious budget like F&H does?

 

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Yep, just read the announcement of Doensen and Werner going for EMX250. Cas Valk stepping up to MX2 with the help of KTM and Gebben Group (Gebben being the new title sponsor of SS24 Gabriels team)

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9/11/2024 2:07am Edited Date/Time 9/11/2024 2:08am
Cortami79 wrote:
Yep, just read the announcement of Doensen and Werner going for EMX250. Cas Valk stepping up to MX2 with the help of KTM and Gebben Group...

Yep, just read the announcement of Doensen and Werner going for EMX250. Cas Valk stepping up to MX2 with the help of KTM and Gebben Group (Gebben being the new title sponsor of SS24 Gabriels team)

I am not sure if understand correctly. Where did you see that Gebben would be sponsor of Gabriel SS?

MXPlanet just posted:

* Van Venrooy KTM in MX2 with Valk (so as a stand alone team). Also van Venrooy, not Gebben (van Venrooy is a different company then Gebben)

* Doensen and Werner with Gabriel SS KTM in EMX 250

No mention of Gebben. 

 

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Cortami79 wrote:
Yep, just read the announcement of Doensen and Werner going for EMX250. Cas Valk stepping up to MX2 with the help of KTM and Gebben Group...

Yep, just read the announcement of Doensen and Werner going for EMX250. Cas Valk stepping up to MX2 with the help of KTM and Gebben Group (Gebben being the new title sponsor of SS24 Gabriels team)

rym wrote:
I am not sure if understand correctly. Where did you see that Gebben would be sponsor of Gabriel SS?MXPlanet just posted:* Van Venrooy KTM in MX2...

I am not sure if understand correctly. Where did you see that Gebben would be sponsor of Gabriel SS?

MXPlanet just posted:

* Van Venrooy KTM in MX2 with Valk (so as a stand alone team). Also van Venrooy, not Gebben (van Venrooy is a different company then Gebben)

* Doensen and Werner with Gabriel SS KTM in EMX 250

No mention of Gebben. 

 

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Yes, i have seen that. But the way i read the pr is that Van Venrooy will be a KTM supported team in MX2 and GAbriel SS a KTM supported team in EMX250. Not that Gebben will become new title sponsor of Gabriel SS like Cortami posted. They might be but i dont see it mentioned anywhere except by Cortami

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My bad, it used to be Gebben van Venrooy , now I see that it is van Venrooy getting back into the GPs. I thought that Gebben was part here as well

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Cortami79 wrote:
How much support is their support anyways? Really eager to learn what F&H will do next year. They had a hard year this year, with only Prugnieres...

How much support is their support anyways? 

Really eager to learn what F&H will do next year. They had a hard year this year, with only Prugnieres in MX2, he showed some great speed in Turkey and at some other occassions. I see that De Reuver is working a lot with Bonacorsi as well, maybe he can make the move to the team and they will make the step to the MXGP class? Just speculating here.

Have to say, Bonacorsi is not talked about enough here. It is his first full season as a GP pro. Last year he was the EMX250 champ and he had to make the step to the MXGP class after only a few MX2 races. Really impressive

MXMattii wrote:
I'm also very curious to know what F&H will do. Maybe they should talk to TM, they showed some interest in motocross again with backing TM...

I'm also very curious to know what F&H will do. Maybe they should talk to TM, they showed some interest in motocross again with backing TM Moto Steels DR Jack (Yago Martinez) and with the whole 85 - 125 construction with DVS junior racing. At this point it looks like the team will have to pay for bikes, so maybe they could make an agreement with TM Racing that benefits them all. The stock bike is a great base to start with, better than the RMZ250 if that is really something they consider.

EDIT: It could also be that they in the running to become the official BETA team, it would be a big surprise for me but who knows. I know that at the start of this season there where rumors that BETA wasn't happy with how the ship was run. But BETA hasn't a 250 bike for Courtney Duncan and their French rider isn't ready for MXGP. So dunno, it looks impossible.

With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.

The Suzuki is maybe an old platform, but actually capable of making good horsepower. I also wonder what F&H will do. I wouldn't be surprised if they are going to run Yamaha's next year.

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Second spot at KRT isn't free anymore. Jonass will ride for them next year.

 

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Is Jonass not going to the USA?

ML512 wrote:

When was Pauls coming to the USA?

My bad. completely mixed up Prado and Pauls

9/11/2024 12:59pm

Any news where Ivano Van Erp & Gavin Towers will be next year? 

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rym wrote:
I don't think getting free bikes is enough to cover the extra costs to get a TM engine at the level needed, especially compared to allready...

I don't think getting free bikes is enough to cover the extra costs to get a TM engine at the level needed, especially compared to allready having in house knowledge how to get the kawas up and running (and probably having a bunch of spare parts). There is a reason we don't see any privateer teams with TMs (or Hondas or Yamahas or Kawas) in MX2 and EMX. 

 

If you feel for it go test one at Van der Veght.

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Cortami79 wrote:
How much support is their support anyways? Really eager to learn what F&H will do next year. They had a hard year this year, with only Prugnieres...

How much support is their support anyways? 

Really eager to learn what F&H will do next year. They had a hard year this year, with only Prugnieres in MX2, he showed some great speed in Turkey and at some other occassions. I see that De Reuver is working a lot with Bonacorsi as well, maybe he can make the move to the team and they will make the step to the MXGP class? Just speculating here.

Have to say, Bonacorsi is not talked about enough here. It is his first full season as a GP pro. Last year he was the EMX250 champ and he had to make the step to the MXGP class after only a few MX2 races. Really impressive

MXMattii wrote:
I'm also very curious to know what F&H will do. Maybe they should talk to TM, they showed some interest in motocross again with backing TM...

I'm also very curious to know what F&H will do. Maybe they should talk to TM, they showed some interest in motocross again with backing TM Moto Steels DR Jack (Yago Martinez) and with the whole 85 - 125 construction with DVS junior racing. At this point it looks like the team will have to pay for bikes, so maybe they could make an agreement with TM Racing that benefits them all. The stock bike is a great base to start with, better than the RMZ250 if that is really something they consider.

EDIT: It could also be that they in the running to become the official BETA team, it would be a big surprise for me but who knows. I know that at the start of this season there where rumors that BETA wasn't happy with how the ship was run. But BETA hasn't a 250 bike for Courtney Duncan and their French rider isn't ready for MXGP. So dunno, it looks impossible.

Rocketship wrote:
With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.The...

With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.

The Suzuki is maybe an old platform, but actually capable of making good horsepower. I also wonder what F&H will do. I wouldn't be surprised if they are going to run Yamaha's next year.

You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on the KTMs back in the day and it is basically the same engine today. And the competition has evolved a lot since those days.

 

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Motofinne wrote:
You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on...

You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on the KTMs back in the day and it is basically the same engine today. And the competition has evolved a lot since those days.

 

Imagine how well BarX is tuning those engines in the AMA series.. but I guess they can do a bit more due to sound regulations right? I remember F&H using Pro Circuit parts in the past, but due to sound regulations they cannot use them anymore

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Any news where Ivano Van Erp & Gavin Towers will be next year? 

Van Erp is staying at VRT Yamaha for EMX250. Looks like Towers might end up at Phoenix Honda back in the US 

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9/12/2024 12:47am Edited Date/Time 9/12/2024 12:48am
Motofinne wrote:
You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on...

You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on the KTMs back in the day and it is basically the same engine today. And the competition has evolved a lot since those days.

 

Cortami79 wrote:
Imagine how well BarX is tuning those engines in the AMA series.. but I guess they can do a bit more due to sound regulations right...

Imagine how well BarX is tuning those engines in the AMA series.. but I guess they can do a bit more due to sound regulations right? I remember F&H using Pro Circuit parts in the past, but due to sound regulations they cannot use them anymore

I dont believe they dont use it anymore because sound regulations. Because KRT use them, and will keep using next year on the 250 program.

I believe it is just more cheap and easier to work with hgs, being both Fh and Hgs based in Netherlands.

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Van Erp is staying at VRT Yamaha for EMX250. Looks like Towers might end up at Phoenix Honda back in the US 

I heard Van Erp wanted absolutely to compete in MX2 category for 2025. Did he change his mind?

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MXMattii wrote:
I'm also very curious to know what F&H will do. Maybe they should talk to TM, they showed some interest in motocross again with backing TM...

I'm also very curious to know what F&H will do. Maybe they should talk to TM, they showed some interest in motocross again with backing TM Moto Steels DR Jack (Yago Martinez) and with the whole 85 - 125 construction with DVS junior racing. At this point it looks like the team will have to pay for bikes, so maybe they could make an agreement with TM Racing that benefits them all. The stock bike is a great base to start with, better than the RMZ250 if that is really something they consider.

EDIT: It could also be that they in the running to become the official BETA team, it would be a big surprise for me but who knows. I know that at the start of this season there where rumors that BETA wasn't happy with how the ship was run. But BETA hasn't a 250 bike for Courtney Duncan and their French rider isn't ready for MXGP. So dunno, it looks impossible.

Rocketship wrote:
With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.The...

With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.

The Suzuki is maybe an old platform, but actually capable of making good horsepower. I also wonder what F&H will do. I wouldn't be surprised if they are going to run Yamaha's next year.

Motofinne wrote:
You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on...

You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on the KTMs back in the day and it is basically the same engine today. And the competition has evolved a lot since those days.

 

I think if you are a privateer and your are hopping on any other brand then an Austrian in MX2 GP then you are doomed if you try to build a strong engine. Martinez had a lot of issues with the TM, Scott Smulders blew 4 engines in Arnhem alone, last year Polak had quite some issues with the Yamaha on a privateer team, etc. 

Obviously F&H always had quite some budget so for them it might be different.

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Van Erp is staying at VRT Yamaha for EMX250. Looks like Towers might end up at Phoenix Honda back in the US 

I heard Van Erp wanted absolutely to compete in MX2 category for 2025. Did he change his mind?

I guess it makes sense to stay down as Benistant will age out after next year and open a space for him in MX2.

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Rocketship wrote:
With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.The...

With all respect but the TM is not up to par with the other brands on this level. The TM 250 is also not very reliable.

The Suzuki is maybe an old platform, but actually capable of making good horsepower. I also wonder what F&H will do. I wouldn't be surprised if they are going to run Yamaha's next year.

Motofinne wrote:
You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on...

You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on the KTMs back in the day and it is basically the same engine today. And the competition has evolved a lot since those days.

 

rym wrote:
I think if you are a privateer and your are hopping on any other brand then an Austrian in MX2 GP then you are doomed if...

I think if you are a privateer and your are hopping on any other brand then an Austrian in MX2 GP then you are doomed if you try to build a strong engine. Martinez had a lot of issues with the TM, Scott Smulders blew 4 engines in Arnhem alone, last year Polak had quite some issues with the Yamaha on a privateer team, etc. 

Obviously F&H always had quite some budget so for them it might be different.

In my opinion, it isn’t the engine, it’s the team who makes a complete shit show of everything. 

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Books wrote:

Van Erp is staying at VRT Yamaha for EMX250. Looks like Towers might end up at Phoenix Honda back in the US 

I heard Van Erp wanted absolutely to compete in MX2 category for 2025. Did he change his mind?

Snapper wrote:

I guess it makes sense to stay down as Benistant will age out after next year and open a space for him in MX2.

I think they will move on with the younger Reisulis instead of van Erp. And I think van Erp realize that, so he’s looking for another spot. Maybe JM Honda?

9/12/2024 3:40am
Motofinne wrote:
You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on...

You're doomed if you hop on a Suzuki 250 in the GPs. I think i heard some talk about Seewer being well over 5hp down on the KTMs back in the day and it is basically the same engine today. And the competition has evolved a lot since those days.

 

Cortami79 wrote:
Imagine how well BarX is tuning those engines in the AMA series.. but I guess they can do a bit more due to sound regulations right...

Imagine how well BarX is tuning those engines in the AMA series.. but I guess they can do a bit more due to sound regulations right? I remember F&H using Pro Circuit parts in the past, but due to sound regulations they cannot use them anymore

I know from one of the best engine builders in the business that the Suzuki engine till this date can still be competitive and indeed HEP and Bar-X have been proving that in the AMA series. In the US they can use way different fuel compared to the FIM regulations and that's the biggest difference in power output as the engines can run cooler with the US allowed fuel.

 

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I heard Van Erp wanted absolutely to compete in MX2 category for 2025. Did he change his mind?

Smart move to stay down. Good team and bike in EMX and a good shot at a Factory ride in 2026. 

Bonacorsi did the same in 2023. You can rush you’re way up, but if there isn’t a good bike or team available it’s a smart thing to do. 

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JBone19 wrote:
I think they will move on with the younger Reisulis instead of van Erp. And I think van Erp realize that, so he’s looking for another...

I think they will move on with the younger Reisulis instead of van Erp. And I think van Erp realize that, so he’s looking for another spot. Maybe JM Honda?

Benistant and Elzinga are both out off the class after 2025.So potentially they both could promote to the Factory MX2 effort in 2026. 

It all depends on the results and the one that strikes the EMX title will get the first shot. 

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9/12/2024 3:43am
rym wrote:
I don't think getting free bikes is enough to cover the extra costs to get a TM engine at the level needed, especially compared to allready...

I don't think getting free bikes is enough to cover the extra costs to get a TM engine at the level needed, especially compared to allready having in house knowledge how to get the kawas up and running (and probably having a bunch of spare parts). There is a reason we don't see any privateer teams with TMs (or Hondas or Yamahas or Kawas) in MX2 and EMX. 

 

MXMattii wrote:

If you feel for it go test one at Van der Veght.

I don't state it's a bad bike for the average user but I see nearly weekly in person how underpowered Yago Martinez his bike is compared to the competition and how often he has bike issues. It's not a competitive platform in MX2 and very unreliable.

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JBone19 wrote:

In my opinion, it isn’t the engine, it’s the team who makes a complete shit show of everything. 

Do you really think F&H is making a complete shit show? Can you elaborate? 

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Rocketship wrote:
I know from one of the best engine builders in the business that the Suzuki engine till this date can still be competitive and indeed HEP...

I know from one of the best engine builders in the business that the Suzuki engine till this date can still be competitive and indeed HEP and Bar-X have been proving that in the AMA series. In the US they can use way different fuel compared to the FIM regulations and that's the biggest difference in power output as the engines can run cooler with the US allowed fuel.

 

Is that the same engine builder that did build Coldenhoff his bike in his final year in mx2, back in 2014? Smile

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