Where is all the hate for Antsie backing out of the MXDN…

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DonM wrote:

Max said it is very unlikely he will race the MXDN…because Team GB won’t pay Star what they want…

Yes. Everything is significant only in how it might relate to Deegan.

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8/12/2024 12:35pm

So we hate on Max today, got it boss!

 

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Gravel wrote:

So we hate on Max today, got it boss!

 

Who's hating on Max?

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i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest...

i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest race of the year in the world of motocross, teamUSA is an important team, but not relevant anymore,it would be a lot worst for the race if teamAustralia were to not go.......

like the ACU has to decide if they pay Star what they are asking to race Anstie, its up to AMA to decide if they want to send a team and how much they should pay the racers and teams, its up to AMA to decide which results they pretend, but like any other team, if you dont pay for the top racers you cant expect to win, so if they dont care to win it, why even send a team at all....

as for what american racers feel they have to prove, i dont really know, i am not a racer and i am not american, but i would say that if you dont even win at home, its kind of sketchy to talk worldwide.......

You're downplaying the relevance of Team USA. Everyone wants them to be there, and the race isn't the same when they are not. 

I would say win or lose, Team USA draws the most viewership and interest worldwide. The reason for that is because Team USA has the biggest targets on their backs. 

Currently, it's two Americans leading the AMA series, with Deegan and Sexton, and everyone wants to see Deegan (if he goes) go against Kay de Wolf and Lucas Coenen. That alone would be the biggest draw. Not whoever rides MX2 for Australia.  

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You could at least get his name right in your title its Anstie not Antsie

A - Do we even know if Deegan is going this year or not, it seems to change every week whether he is or not

B - Has there really even been that much hate for Deegan this year ? After last years attitude of " We're not going if we don't think we can win " nobody really expects him to go any way....which to me is whatever because of the whole concept of the athlete and the team having to pay to go to this race is ridiculous when the promoter is making so much money off of it.

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8/12/2024 3:12pm

I wonder how much of Star's reluctance has to do with their double super top secret attitude toward anyone having access to one of their engines...

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8/12/2024 3:26pm
DonM wrote:

But if it was Deegan…this place would explode…

I can't see why anyone would hate on Max or Haiden if they want to go but the team isn't willing to send them. They can't do it out of their own pocket. On the other hand, people may blast Star. Max wants to go. 

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8/12/2024 3:32pm
DonM wrote:

But if it was Deegan…this place would explode…

I can't see why anyone would hate on Max or Haiden if they want to go but the team isn't willing to send them. They can't...

I can't see why anyone would hate on Max or Haiden if they want to go but the team isn't willing to send them. They can't do it out of their own pocket. On the other hand, people may blast Star. Max wants to go. 

Why should they hate on Star? Was that part of Max’s contract that they support him and they aren’t honoring that?

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lol, Don trying so hard to get invited to be Deegs man friend

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Gravel wrote:

So we hate on Max today, got it boss!

 

DonM wrote:

Who's hating on Max?

I’m mostly kidding, and I don’t see any hating here. It just seems like anytime someone says something that’s not fully asskissing a rider they’re immediately labeled a hater. 

I totally get what you’re saying, and I’ve got no issue with anyone skipping races that aren’t in their contract. Total respect for anyone who goes to the MXoN, I’ll be watching for sure and I’ve followed the event since the late 70s, but I see it as volunteer work, not required work. And when the organizers profit from everyone’s national pride, that makes it a little slimy to me. 

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8/12/2024 4:13pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 4:13pm

Thought deegs was sick or something 🙄

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rileymx wrote:
i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest...

i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest race of the year in the world of motocross, teamUSA is an important team, but not relevant anymore,it would be a lot worst for the race if teamAustralia were to not go.......

like the ACU has to decide if they pay Star what they are asking to race Anstie, its up to AMA to decide if they want to send a team and how much they should pay the racers and teams, its up to AMA to decide which results they pretend, but like any other team, if you dont pay for the top racers you cant expect to win, so if they dont care to win it, why even send a team at all....

as for what american racers feel they have to prove, i dont really know, i am not a racer and i am not american, but i would say that if you dont even win at home, its kind of sketchy to talk worldwide.......

971_Fan wrote:
You're downplaying the relevance of Team USA. Everyone wants them to be there, and the race isn't the same when they are not. I would say win...

You're downplaying the relevance of Team USA. Everyone wants them to be there, and the race isn't the same when they are not. 

I would say win or lose, Team USA draws the most viewership and interest worldwide. The reason for that is because Team USA has the biggest targets on their backs. 

Currently, it's two Americans leading the AMA series, with Deegan and Sexton, and everyone wants to see Deegan (if he goes) go against Kay de Wolf and Lucas Coenen. That alone would be the biggest draw. Not whoever rides MX2 for Australia.  

no i am not, american motocross did that to himself.....before last decade the race was empty if teamUSA didn't go, american racers were the stars of the world of motocross, they were clear favorites and very hard to beat.....in the last 15 years, they dropped motocross, they started with the sx only contracts, sx became everything, they have only one win and 5 podiums since 2011

last year edition was said to be the best ever, with teamUSA being Plessinger, Hampshire and Craig, a 2nd level team that got 8th place......if they weren't there the race would have been the same, the best ever.......

as for the home series last 3 years americans won 7 titles, to 8 won by foreigners, including supercross and giving 2024 mx titles to 2 americans, ten years ago this was just impossible to be true.....

i am just talking about facts.....shooting the messenger wont change the message......

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8/12/2024 4:16pm
Gravel wrote:

So we hate on Max today, got it boss!

 

DonM wrote:

Who's hating on Max?

Gravel wrote:
I’m mostly kidding, and I don’t see any hating here. It just seems like anytime someone says something that’s not fully asskissing a rider they’re immediately...

I’m mostly kidding, and I don’t see any hating here. It just seems like anytime someone says something that’s not fully asskissing a rider they’re immediately labeled a hater. 

I totally get what you’re saying, and I’ve got no issue with anyone skipping races that aren’t in their contract. Total respect for anyone who goes to the MXoN, I’ll be watching for sure and I’ve followed the event since the late 70s, but I see it as volunteer work, not required work. And when the organizers profit from everyone’s national pride, that makes it a little slimy to me. 

The first part is so true. I get hated on if that's what you want to say for not being a fan of jett, even though I respect him and I am a fan of haiden and sometimes called a glazer, same with other people. 

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rileymx wrote:
i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest...

i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest race of the year in the world of motocross, teamUSA is an important team, but not relevant anymore,it would be a lot worst for the race if teamAustralia were to not go.......

like the ACU has to decide if they pay Star what they are asking to race Anstie, its up to AMA to decide if they want to send a team and how much they should pay the racers and teams, its up to AMA to decide which results they pretend, but like any other team, if you dont pay for the top racers you cant expect to win, so if they dont care to win it, why even send a team at all....

as for what american racers feel they have to prove, i dont really know, i am not a racer and i am not american, but i would say that if you dont even win at home, its kind of sketchy to talk worldwide.......

971_Fan wrote:
You're downplaying the relevance of Team USA. Everyone wants them to be there, and the race isn't the same when they are not. I would say win...

You're downplaying the relevance of Team USA. Everyone wants them to be there, and the race isn't the same when they are not. 

I would say win or lose, Team USA draws the most viewership and interest worldwide. The reason for that is because Team USA has the biggest targets on their backs. 

Currently, it's two Americans leading the AMA series, with Deegan and Sexton, and everyone wants to see Deegan (if he goes) go against Kay de Wolf and Lucas Coenen. That alone would be the biggest draw. Not whoever rides MX2 for Australia.  

rileymx wrote:
no i am not, american motocross did that to himself.....before last decade the race was empty if teamUSA didn't go, american racers were the stars of...

no i am not, american motocross did that to himself.....before last decade the race was empty if teamUSA didn't go, american racers were the stars of the world of motocross, they were clear favorites and very hard to beat.....in the last 15 years, they dropped motocross, they started with the sx only contracts, sx became everything, they have only one win and 5 podiums since 2011

last year edition was said to be the best ever, with teamUSA being Plessinger, Hampshire and Craig, a 2nd level team that got 8th place......if they weren't there the race would have been the same, the best ever.......

as for the home series last 3 years americans won 7 titles, to 8 won by foreigners, including supercross and giving 2024 mx titles to 2 americans, ten years ago this was just impossible to be true.....

i am just talking about facts.....shooting the messenger wont change the message......

Ten years ago a German won the 450 motocross title and a Frenchman was in contention for the 250 title on a privateer Yamaha. 

How many MXDN wins does Aus have? 

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DonM wrote:

Max said it is very unlikely he will race the MXDN…because Team GB won’t pay Star what they want…

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There must be more to it than that. I mean the industy in the UK can chip in to make it happen. Anstie is a great...

There must be more to it than that. I mean the industy in the UK can chip in to make it happen. Anstie is a great dude and he has huge support in the UK. Surely a compromise can be reached.

Wonder what the figure is that Star want to send the material needed for the trip..??

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8/12/2024 4:54pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 6:47pm

People seem to forget Deegan waved the flag during a time where international riders dominated the class for years.

Every year Amercan riders kit their bike and themselves for American day or whatever and the likes of Tomac skip mxdn

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Your obsession to defend all things Deegan is beyond healthy. 

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If Max thought it was the right thing to do he would. No question.

I just dont see Star saying no to Deegan or Tomac or Webb or Copper if they wanted to go. Any of those guys.

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8/12/2024 6:01pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 6:02pm
TAUTOG wrote:
If Max thought it was the right thing to do he would. No question.I just dont see Star saying no to Deegan or Tomac or Webb...

If Max thought it was the right thing to do he would. No question.

I just dont see Star saying no to Deegan or Tomac or Webb or Copper if they wanted to go. Any of those guys.

That could depend on how much money they wanted Star to pay them to ride. 😉

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MxAddic wrote:

Your obsession to defend all things Deegan is beyond healthy. 

LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

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8/12/2024 6:13pm
MxAddic wrote:

Your obsession to defend all things Deegan is beyond healthy. 

MxAddic wrote:
LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

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You know you can be a fan of more than one rider. Sometimes when I like your posts doesn't mean I truly like them, it could have a different meaning. Chill out. 

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has Ansite been on the podium waving  a Union Jack saying how much he loves Great Britan?

That would require him to get a podium 

What like he did this weekend? Might not have been an overall podium but he still got a moto podium. 

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I can tell u why there isn’t any hate for max , cause some are sheep & its not popular to hate on somebody likable as...

I can tell u why there isn’t any hate for max , cause some are sheep & its not popular to hate on somebody likable as max! ppl gotta keep the same standard of praise & criticism for everybody 

DonM wrote:

Wait until the anti-American crowd wakes up….

Morning...

Ha!!! Perfect!! Smile

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8/12/2024 6:48pm
MxAddic wrote:

Your obsession to defend all things Deegan is beyond healthy. 

MxAddic wrote:
LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

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You're the one who is obsessed, clearly.

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TAUTOG wrote:
If Max thought it was the right thing to do he would. No question.I just dont see Star saying no to Deegan or Tomac or Webb...

If Max thought it was the right thing to do he would. No question.

I just dont see Star saying no to Deegan or Tomac or Webb or Copper if they wanted to go. Any of those guys.

MxAddic wrote:

That could depend on how much money they wanted Star to pay them to ride. 😉

The MXON happens every year. If you might be in the running, why not put it in your contract?

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8/12/2024 8:02pm
MxAddic wrote:

Your obsession to defend all things Deegan is beyond healthy. 

MxAddic wrote:
LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

LMAO! Click the wrong button deegan_lover_136?

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You're the one who is obsessed, clearly.

Thank you

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I would love to see the Budgets of the different teams competing.

Exclude the home team obviously.

Elliot wrote:
Team Canada budget for Ernee 2023.

Team Canada budget for Ernee 2023.

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What was the total head count for the team, riders, mechanics, managers, trainers, hangeroners?

Here. Also I forgot to mention that the bike shipping costs were for 2 bikes per rider.

Team Breakdown

 

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8/12/2024 8:36pm
DonM wrote:

But if it was Deegan…this place would explode…

I can't see why anyone would hate on Max or Haiden if they want to go but the team isn't willing to send them. They can't...

I can't see why anyone would hate on Max or Haiden if they want to go but the team isn't willing to send them. They can't do it out of their own pocket. On the other hand, people may blast Star. Max wants to go. 

Why should they hate on Star? Was that part of Max’s contract that they support him and they aren’t honoring that?

No. My point was that if the team doesn't want to send the rider due to whatever the reason may be, people would probably hate on that. 

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8/12/2024 8:54pm
People seem to forget Deegan waved the flag during a time where international riders dominated the class for years.Every year Amercan riders kit their bike and...

People seem to forget Deegan waved the flag during a time where international riders dominated the class for years.

Every year Amercan riders kit their bike and themselves for American day or whatever and the likes of Tomac skip mxdn

You gotta be pretty ignorant to still think Tomac simply didn’t want to go. He’s participated in the event with every team he’s raced for but only with Kawasaki was it an issue. 

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Elliot wrote:
Team Canada budget for Ernee 2023.

Team Canada budget for Ernee 2023.

TC 0

What was the total head count for the team, riders, mechanics, managers, trainers, hangeroners?

Elliot wrote:
Here. Also I forgot to mention that the bike shipping costs were for 2 bikes per rider.  

Here. Also I forgot to mention that the bike shipping costs were for 2 bikes per rider.

Team Breakdown

 

Seems like a very reasonable number of people. Star probably wants to send that many for their guy alone. And when all these guys talk about how much out of pocket they're spending, they aren't telling you that's so their wife and parents and kids can come on vacation too. 

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