You need a title for an MX in the US?

DrSweden
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I was asking if I could avoid sale taxe because being from another state, and I got this answer:

Yes due to this bike not being titled, New Jersey has us collect tax up front even if you live out of state.

I also talked to a guy saying his bike came with a "lien release" which he claims was essential? In Sweden you have no title on a mx bike, you buy the sucker write a
receipt that you have as a proof if the bike turns out to be stolen. Also you have to call the cops to find out if it's reported stolen (few care if the seller seems normal).

This is what he said: "yes, if I didn't have the lien release you would be risking taking over the loan without knowing it. There is no loan on the bike. The bike didn't come with a title when I bought it."

Damn, the dollar is going up. I thought I would be able buy a factory bike for cents here. In the end all those hidden fees kill the deal... I mean I find this CRF on Ebay for like 5 k, but then you find this $ 98.00 Documentation fee and $495.00 destination fee
(Delivery to the Dealer and Dealer Prep) plus 7 % tax...

Damn...
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'We're so sorry,,,,,'
DrSweden
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5/16/2010 7:25pm Edited Date/Time 5/16/2010 7:27pm
'We're so sorry,,,,,'
Huh? "We", you have some multi personal disorder? By the way, tnx for the reply...
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It depends on the state.
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'We're so sorry,,,,,'
DrSweden wrote:
Huh? "We", you have some multi personal disorder? By the way, tnx for the reply...
Welcome to the U.S.
We need your tax dollars to pay for our bloated government spending.
I feel for you, this kind of crap just stinks.
They'll suck every penny they can from you.
Try living in California!
Good luck buddy, and enjoy riding here.

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You're talking to a guy from Sweden about taxes?


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It's all subject to negotiation. If they let you walk, keep walking, they gave you their best deal. Look for "out the door pricing".
Like FTE said, you should be happy to pay taxes.
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I said that?
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You're talking to a guy from Sweden about taxes? [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg/800px-Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg.png[/img]
You're talking to a guy from Sweden about taxes?


I don't care about "the rest of the world"
I care about how we "US" are being ripped off for the irresponsible spending of our elected "employees"!
I don't care how the hell they do it elsewhere.
Why do we have to be like "them"?
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He has a liberal stance, sorry if that's not what you meant.
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5/16/2010 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:51pm
I said that?
But this title thing? You need one of those for a dirtbike? If you don't have it, will that be any problem? Can you put a loan on a dirtbike instead of a personal loan?


Yes, we pay a lot of taxes in Sweden, and I'm kind of happy with that since I think I get some out of it. I have no problem paying taxes for a bike, just don't want any hidden fees...


I will ask for out of the door price! Smile
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I said that?
DrSweden wrote:
But this title thing? You need one of those for a dirtbike? If you don't have it, will that be any problem? Can you put a...
But this title thing? You need one of those for a dirtbike? If you don't have it, will that be any problem? Can you put a loan on a dirtbike instead of a personal loan?


Yes, we pay a lot of taxes in Sweden, and I'm kind of happy with that since I think I get some out of it. I have no problem paying taxes for a bike, just don't want any hidden fees...


I will ask for out of the door price! Smile
Just ride your heart out, and be safe braaaaaaaapppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Buy a bike from an individual normally there will be no taxes.
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500guy wrote:
Buy a bike from an individual normally there will be no taxes.
I think I will do that...
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jimmie wrote:
Just ride your heart out, and be safe braaaaaaaapppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tnx! Smile But these suckers I'm looking for will not sound like that... More of Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.
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Where do you intend to ride in Falmouth? Not much riding down on the Cape...
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Like FTE said, it depends on the state. Some states require a title, others do not. Sometimes it's a pain when you buy a bike without a title (from another state) and you need it for your state.
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You're talking to a guy from Sweden about taxes? [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg/800px-Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg.png[/img]
You're talking to a guy from Sweden about taxes?


jimmie wrote:
I don't care about "the rest of the world" I care about how we "US" are being ripped off for the irresponsible spending of our elected...
I don't care about "the rest of the world"
I care about how we "US" are being ripped off for the irresponsible spending of our elected "employees"!
I don't care how the hell they do it elsewhere.
Why do we have to be like "them"?
There are several countries with little to no taxes...try living in one.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/taxes/p148855.asp
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5/16/2010 9:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:51pm
Avoid dealers who want 500$ for "destination" and 250$ for "prep" and 125$ for "documentation." Many of them rope you in with a low price and try to get their money back on hidden fees.


You may be stuck with the title thing. Besides, in states that require a title a bike can be very difficult to resell without one because it throws up red flags. ....like people selling bikes that have a lean on them.
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We live in ca and have rediculous title fees and other bs so we buy our bikes out of state, usually in texas. Saves us about a $1000
5/16/2010 9:09pm
Also have to consider where you will be riding. Some of the state forest riding areas require a green sticker. In order to get one, you have to have an MCO, bill of sale, and registration from DMV.

If you are on private land or tracks, title is not really necessary, but will probably make resale a bit easier knowing it's not on the hot sheet.
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aminkman wrote:
He has a liberal stance, sorry if that's not what you meant.
What I meant was as bad as taxes are here, the Swedes are taxed higher.

Doc, you're now in Mass? When did you come here?

In California, if title is lost, you can get new title. If you're bringing a bike into the state, you have to get a title. To get the title, you have to pay use tax. To renew the title, you have to pay a registration fee. In California, that the red or green sticker fee.

Usually the lien situation comes up when the bike was purchased with a loan. Whatever document establishes ownership will reflect the lien.
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What I meant was as bad as taxes are here, the Swedes are taxed higher. Doc, you're now in Mass? When did you come here? In...
What I meant was as bad as taxes are here, the Swedes are taxed higher.

Doc, you're now in Mass? When did you come here?

In California, if title is lost, you can get new title. If you're bringing a bike into the state, you have to get a title. To get the title, you have to pay use tax. To renew the title, you have to pay a registration fee. In California, that the red or green sticker fee.

Usually the lien situation comes up when the bike was purchased with a loan. Whatever document establishes ownership will reflect the lien.
Yes, I'm in Mass now. This loan thing is scary? I can I possible know if the bike has a loan or not? Is a title the only way for me to be sure?

I'm not planning to sell the sucker in the US, I will prolly take it back to Sweden when I leave...
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mxnick wrote:
Where do you intend to ride in Falmouth? Not much riding down on the Cape...
Tell me about it... Seems like Middleboro MX, Uxbridge Motorsports and Warren MX (Warren, MA) 413-436-9286. Middleboro seems like a real track, but they only have like 6-7 practice days per year. Rest of the time is planned for racing...
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5/17/2010 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:52pm
You need to find out the laws in the state where you are buying the bike, and in places where you will ride it. Many states have a titling requirement. This is because dirt bikes and ATV's are treated like cars and boats and other vehicles, where sales tax is paid directly to the state office where you title and license the vehicle. In the past, the dealer would give you the MSO with a new bike, but there was no means for the state to follow up on whether you paid the sales tax or not. Many states are closing up that gap by requiring the dealer to send a form to the state telling them the vehicle was sold and for how much and to whom. Then if you don't pay the sales tax, they come after you later.


Sometimes you can get around this by buying in another state and taking the bike home. For example, when I bought a bike at Yamaha of Troy in Ohio, they filled out a sales tax waiver for Ohio because I was taking the bike home to Missouri. Once home, I could have just never titled the bike and gotten away without paying sales tax.


That doesn't always work.


You can get a loan on a dirt bike like for a car, in which case there is a lien on the bike.

Particularly since you plan to export the bike, I think it might be best to title it and pay sales tax on it.
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5/17/2010 12:42pm
You do not have to "title" a motocross bike in NY. If I were to buy a bike today from a dealer in NY, I could use my Fathers FL drivers liscense and not pay a dime of sales tax. Instead of titles the have CO's, Certificate of Origins. This shows proof of ownership and you get one with every new bike.
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That's false, if you live out of NJ you don't have to pay NJ sales tax. Or you could go to DE where there is no sales tax.

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