Mathes thinks Deegan is bowing out of MXON Team USA

Richard Tease II wrote:

 2 reasons Deegs ain’t going

 2 reasons Deegs ain’t going

NateDawg241 wrote:

Bingo, and I say that as an American. I think Deegan is afraid of getting embarrassed in front of a massive audience and having his brand...

Bingo, and I say that as an American. I think Deegan is afraid of getting embarrassed in front of a massive audience and having his brand tarnished. This would make 2 years in a row where he's chickened out

AMetts wrote:

Massive audience? There were over a million people watching Washougal last weekend, I highly doubt MXON gets that kind of viewership with the way they broadcast...

Massive audience? There were over a million people watching Washougal last weekend, I highly doubt MXON gets that kind of viewership with the way they broadcast it atleast here in the states. 

NateDawg241 wrote:

Bingo, and I say that as an American. I think Deegan is afraid of getting embarrassed in front of a massive audience and having his brand...

Bingo, and I say that as an American. I think Deegan is afraid of getting embarrassed in front of a massive audience and having his brand tarnished. This would make 2 years in a row where he's chickened out

AMetts wrote:

Massive audience? There were over a million people watching Washougal last weekend, I highly doubt MXON gets that kind of viewership with the way they broadcast...

Massive audience? There were over a million people watching Washougal last weekend, I highly doubt MXON gets that kind of viewership with the way they broadcast it atleast here in the states. 

Elliot wrote:

I wouldn't know the viewership of MXoN in US but worldwide it'll be a lot, extrapolating the TV viewing figures for MXGP in 2023  MXGP...

I wouldn't know the viewership of MXoN in US but worldwide it'll be a lot, extrapolating the TV viewing figures for MXGP in 2023  MXGP 2023 SEASON| A YEAR OF TRIUMPHS, RECORDS AND GLOBAL REACH | MXGP

 

GrapeApe wrote:

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol...

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol. Why do you care so much which American does or doesn't want to race the MXoN? Why do you care so much about American patriotism? I honestly couldn't give two shits who Australia puts on their team, or France, or Belgium, or . . .  Sure I'd like to see all of the best race each other but if Herlings opts out for whatever reason I couldn't imagine throwing a tantrum over it. What am I missing? 

ando wrote:

We have a strong sense of national pride, not flag-waving, chest-beating patriotism, but a desire to go up against the best in the world to show...

We have a strong sense of national pride, not flag-waving, chest-beating patriotism, but a desire to go up against the best in the world to show what we can do.  To us, representing your country is the highest honour and the pinnacle of the sport.  Declining that opportunity without an obvious valid reason is something that most Aussies struggle to comprehend.

MXoN is about stripping away the bullshit, the money, the politics and everything else and finding out who is the best.  When the money excuse starts being thrown about it really is grating.  What’s even worse is “we’ll only go if we think we can win”.  Either or both of those statements suggest to me that as a professional athlete the rider has lost sight of what he’s actually doing for a living.

I know this discussion comes up every year so let’s bookmark this and any others, and revisit them in 2026 (or whenever the MXoN is at Ironman).  Wonder how many US riders will be unavailable then?

Herr Lich wrote:

Excellent response.  I would add - and this is just my view but I also suspect the view of a lot of Brits, Aussies, and Kiwis...

Excellent response.  I would add - and this is just my view but I also suspect the view of a lot of Brits, Aussies, and Kiwis - that the US is extremely patriotic in a very public way.  Examples include students pledging allegiance to the flag in classrooms, putting your hands on your hearts during national anthems, having military appreciation days, having American flags in nearly every yard and so on.  Therefore, we would expect Americans to also be extremely keen on representing their country in sport. When riders - all who are highly paid professionals - don't want to go to MXDN we rightly think WTF?  

Aussies, Brits, and Kiwis love representing their countries - all while dialing down the public displays of patriotism.  

GrapeApe wrote:

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol...

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol. Why do you care so much which American does or doesn't want to race the MXoN? Why do you care so much about American patriotism? I honestly couldn't give two shits who Australia puts on their team, or France, or Belgium, or . . .  Sure I'd like to see all of the best race each other but if Herlings opts out for whatever reason I couldn't imagine throwing a tantrum over it. What am I missing? 

soggy wrote:

Maybe 1-2 weeks? Im not a doctor. If you hate on him for not going your just looking for something to dislike him for I think. Then...

Maybe 1-2 weeks? Im not a doctor. If you hate on him for not going your just looking for something to dislike him for I think. 

Then people will bring up the flag thing which was obviously just to try and get under hunters skin. It’s best not to take anything Haiden says or does too seriously. 

zehn wrote:

He flew that flag and how many just ate it up? Now the same people are in here making excuses for him 2 months from the...

He flew that flag and how many just ate it up? Now the same people are in here making excuses for him 2 months from the event 

He brought this all on himself, put up or shut up and stop using the flag as a marketing tool if you won’t represent your country 

soggy wrote:

He’s getting surgery what do you want?  He could delay it and put his supercross prep behind the 8 ball. I think SX is more important...

He’s getting surgery what do you want?  He could delay it and put his supercross prep behind the 8 ball. I think SX is more important at this point sorry to say. 

Im not a Deeganite in the slightest, but it’s amazing how many people on here are incapable of nuance when it comes to these situations. 

soggy wrote:

Maybe 1-2 weeks? Im not a doctor. If you hate on him for not going your just looking for something to dislike him for I think. Then...

Maybe 1-2 weeks? Im not a doctor. If you hate on him for not going your just looking for something to dislike him for I think. 

Then people will bring up the flag thing which was obviously just to try and get under hunters skin. It’s best not to take anything Haiden says or does too seriously. 

zehn wrote:

He flew that flag and how many just ate it up? Now the same people are in here making excuses for him 2 months from the...

He flew that flag and how many just ate it up? Now the same people are in here making excuses for him 2 months from the event 

He brought this all on himself, put up or shut up and stop using the flag as a marketing tool if you won’t represent your country 

soggy wrote:

He’s getting surgery what do you want?  He could delay it and put his supercross prep behind the 8 ball. I think SX is more important...

He’s getting surgery what do you want?  He could delay it and put his supercross prep behind the 8 ball. I think SX is more important at this point sorry to say. 

Im not a Deeganite in the slightest, but it’s amazing how many people on here are incapable of nuance when it comes to these situations. 

Herr Lich wrote:

I'd be interested to know more about people spewing something negative while pretending to be objective about their analysis? In the vast majority of commentary concerning Haiden...

I'd be interested to know more about people spewing something negative while pretending to be objective about their analysis? 

In the vast majority of commentary concerning Haiden the negative comments are appropriate to what he does.

Examples:

Comment: Haiden's patriotism is phoney.  Action: Deegan waved an American flag and leaned heavily into the patriotic American schtick then didn't go to MXDN, and looks like he won't again.  

Comment: Haiden is an entitled little prick.  Action: Numerous examples of him disrespecting other riders and makind stupid scripted comments on the podium.

There's nothing insane about the commentary about Deegan.  It would be a 'drop off (of) reason in a sea of insanity' if, for example, someone said Hymas is an entitled little prick when there is clearly absolutely nothing to base that on.  

MxAddic wrote:

I had zero issues with CC going last year. In fact he may have saved the whole effort. He seemingly IMHO gave one of his best...

I had zero issues with CC going last year. In fact he may have saved the whole effort. He seemingly IMHO gave one of his best efforts for the year. I have been saying for the better part of 2 years his riding looks like he wants nothing to do with racing the top guys here. He did surprisingly put in a good effort the last couple weeks. I wonder if in the words of Bubba Stew if it was a “business decision”?

GrapeApe wrote:

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol...

Can you help me with something? It's not just you, it's most Aussies on this board, but you seem to have the most anger and vitriol. Why do you care so much which American does or doesn't want to race the MXoN? Why do you care so much about American patriotism? I honestly couldn't give two shits who Australia puts on their team, or France, or Belgium, or . . .  Sure I'd like to see all of the best race each other but if Herlings opts out for whatever reason I couldn't imagine throwing a tantrum over it. What am I missing? 

ando wrote:

We have a strong sense of national pride, not flag-waving, chest-beating patriotism, but a desire to go up against the best in the world to show...

We have a strong sense of national pride, not flag-waving, chest-beating patriotism, but a desire to go up against the best in the world to show what we can do.  To us, representing your country is the highest honour and the pinnacle of the sport.  Declining that opportunity without an obvious valid reason is something that most Aussies struggle to comprehend.

MXoN is about stripping away the bullshit, the money, the politics and everything else and finding out who is the best.  When the money excuse starts being thrown about it really is grating.  What’s even worse is “we’ll only go if we think we can win”.  Either or both of those statements suggest to me that as a professional athlete the rider has lost sight of what he’s actually doing for a living.

I know this discussion comes up every year so let’s bookmark this and any others, and revisit them in 2026 (or whenever the MXoN is at Ironman).  Wonder how many US riders will be unavailable then?

zehn wrote:

He flew that flag and how many just ate it up? Now the same people are in here making excuses for him 2 months from the...

He flew that flag and how many just ate it up? Now the same people are in here making excuses for him 2 months from the event 

He brought this all on himself, put up or shut up and stop using the flag as a marketing tool if you won’t represent your country 

soggy wrote:

He’s getting surgery what do you want?  He could delay it and put his supercross prep behind the 8 ball. I think SX is more important...

He’s getting surgery what do you want?  He could delay it and put his supercross prep behind the 8 ball. I think SX is more important at this point sorry to say. 

Im not a Deeganite in the slightest, but it’s amazing how many people on here are incapable of nuance when it comes to these situations. 

kxking wrote:

Which SX coast is he riding next year, anybody know?

971_Fan wrote:

Your response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I said that people like to spew negative things about Deegan under the guise...

Your response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I said that people like to spew negative things about Deegan under the guise of objectivity. 

You say, for example that, Haiden's patriotism is phoney and that the evidence for that is his refusal to go to the MXoN. 

But as has been pointed out, Star Yamaha per Jeremy Coker said that they were not going to send Haiden with the team that was going. That's not ambiguous.  

As for 2024, Haiden has said that he would like to go, but might possibly have plates removed in which case he would not be going, which is a perfectly legitimate  reason. 

Those are the facts, that's what we know. However, some of you are not going to believe that, you're going to say Haiden didn't want to go and Star Yamaha is making excuses for him. I've even heard some people say that he doesn't have plates. He's just making excuses to avoid going.

 But all that is being incredulous, and none of that is objective, and none of that counts as any type of evidence or warrant for your skepticism. It's just being incredulous while putting on the mask of being objective when in all likelihood that skepticism is motivated by a personal dislike for Haiden. 

Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan.  

 

971_Fan wrote:

Your response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I said that people like to spew negative things about Deegan under the guise...

Your response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I said that people like to spew negative things about Deegan under the guise of objectivity. 

You say, for example that, Haiden's patriotism is phoney and that the evidence for that is his refusal to go to the MXoN. 

But as has been pointed out, Star Yamaha per Jeremy Coker said that they were not going to send Haiden with the team that was going. That's not ambiguous.  

As for 2024, Haiden has said that he would like to go, but might possibly have plates removed in which case he would not be going, which is a perfectly legitimate  reason. 

Those are the facts, that's what we know. However, some of you are not going to believe that, you're going to say Haiden didn't want to go and Star Yamaha is making excuses for him. I've even heard some people say that he doesn't have plates. He's just making excuses to avoid going.

 But all that is being incredulous, and none of that is objective, and none of that counts as any type of evidence or warrant for your skepticism. It's just being incredulous while putting on the mask of being objective when in all likelihood that skepticism is motivated by a personal dislike for Haiden. 

Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan.  

 

Magoofan wrote:

"Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan."....and a good majority of them are Aussies.....Deegan is a threat...

"Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan."

....and a good majority of them are Aussies.....Deegan is a threat to their "72 wins".  

As for the clown you quoted....you'll be better off just skipping past his posts and not engaging. 

 

971_Fan wrote:

Your response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I said that people like to spew negative things about Deegan under the guise...

Your response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I said that people like to spew negative things about Deegan under the guise of objectivity. 

You say, for example that, Haiden's patriotism is phoney and that the evidence for that is his refusal to go to the MXoN. 

But as has been pointed out, Star Yamaha per Jeremy Coker said that they were not going to send Haiden with the team that was going. That's not ambiguous.  

As for 2024, Haiden has said that he would like to go, but might possibly have plates removed in which case he would not be going, which is a perfectly legitimate  reason. 

Those are the facts, that's what we know. However, some of you are not going to believe that, you're going to say Haiden didn't want to go and Star Yamaha is making excuses for him. I've even heard some people say that he doesn't have plates. He's just making excuses to avoid going.

 But all that is being incredulous, and none of that is objective, and none of that counts as any type of evidence or warrant for your skepticism. It's just being incredulous while putting on the mask of being objective when in all likelihood that skepticism is motivated by a personal dislike for Haiden. 

Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan.  

 

Magoofan wrote:

"Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan."....and a good majority of them are Aussies.....Deegan is a threat...

"Like I ppreviously said, the same bad actors show up in every thread about Deegan."

....and a good majority of them are Aussies.....Deegan is a threat to their "72 wins".  

As for the clown you quoted....you'll be better off just skipping past his posts and not engaging. 

 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

I am shocked Aussies want Deegan to go to MXDN. He’d probably win a moto outright on a 250 against their messiah

yak651 wrote:

I think Deegs is just making excuses not to go just like last year but do agree that if the riders have to entertain for free...

I think Deegs is just making excuses not to go just like last year but do agree that if the riders have to entertain for free Luongo should give all proceeds back for this race to ALL teams for their travel expense and whatever track that is chosen to host it should not have to pay his outrageous fees

VHM wrote:

Deegan can't wait 2 weeks with the surgery after the SMX final? Does he really need 15 weeks with preparations for SX?! 13 weeks aren't enough? Prado tested...

Deegan can't wait 2 weeks with the surgery after the SMX final? 

Does he really need 15 weeks with preparations for SX?! 13 weeks aren't enough? 

Prado tested SX whole January with high risk and only got 6 weeks to prepare before the first mxgp race, 10th of March in Argentina. 

VHM wrote:

Deegan can't wait 2 weeks with the surgery after the SMX final? Does he really need 15 weeks with preparations for SX?! 13 weeks aren't enough? Prado tested...

Deegan can't wait 2 weeks with the surgery after the SMX final? 

Does he really need 15 weeks with preparations for SX?! 13 weeks aren't enough? 

Prado tested SX whole January with high risk and only got 6 weeks to prepare before the first mxgp race, 10th of March in Argentina. 

LungButter wrote:

Not really Apples to Apples.  Prado was doing Supercross to advance his career and knew that if it went well he wouldn't care about MXGP anymore....it...

Not really Apples to Apples.  Prado was doing Supercross to advance his career and knew that if it went well he wouldn't care about MXGP anymore....it did, and now he doesn't.

Aside from more support from the fans, going to MXdN doesn't really advance Deegan's career and potentially sets him back even.

This will get downvoted but it's the truth.

LungButter wrote:

Not really Apples to Apples.  Prado was doing Supercross to advance his career and knew that if it went well he wouldn't care about MXGP anymore....it...

Not really Apples to Apples.  Prado was doing Supercross to advance his career and knew that if it went well he wouldn't care about MXGP anymore....it did, and now he doesn't.

Aside from more support from the fans, going to MXdN doesn't really advance Deegan's career and potentially sets him back even.

This will get downvoted but it's the truth.

zehn wrote:

I’d be interested to hear how racing some of the best in the world on a great track is a hindrance to one’s career

VHM wrote:

Prado still got a contract and sponsors like Deegan. Don't think they would be happy if he got hurt. I think Deegan should go. His fan base...

Prado still got a contract and sponsors like Deegan. Don't think they would be happy if he got hurt. 

I think Deegan should go. His fan base will probably grow, not everyone has heard of him in Europe. Maybe getting new sponsors as well 🤷🏼‍♂️ There's always a risk in this sport, but seems like he's getting people mad by staying home for the second year. 

Bonanza69 wrote:

Vital logic:A regional SX title is bigger than mxdn.Well,every year the same shit and excuses,keep on rolling!😂

971_Fan wrote:

Yet your very first post on this forum in 2022 was this:"I had to sign up just to say I'm always entertained by DonM and...

Yet your very first post on this forum in 2022 was this:

"I had to sign up just to say I'm always entertained by DonM and LungButter anytime Deegan is brought up in a thread"

Someone gets worked up over threads about Deegan but it ain't DonM. My guess is, a more in depth reading of your post history would show you jump aboard just about every thread where Deegan's name is mentioned. 

It seems that some are a drop off reason in a sea of insanity when it comes to Haiden. But one thing is certain, the same bad actors, acting in bad faith show up in every thread about him to spew something negative and pretend to be objective about their analysis. 

Bonanza69 wrote:

Vital logic:A regional SX title is bigger than mxdn.Well,every year the same shit and excuses,keep on rolling!😂

LungButter wrote:

Ummmm it is though.  Way bigger.That title probably makes him a Million bucks.....not to mention it's literally the reason that Yamaha hired him, to win championships...

Ummmm it is though.  Way bigger.

That title probably makes him a Million bucks.....not to mention it's literally the reason that Yamaha hired him, to win championships.   How much does MXdN pay again?

Bonanza69 wrote:

Vital logic:How much does MXdN pay again?
The rest of the world:lets go racing!