ESPN Top 100 athletes of 21 century - no MX rider?

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For the sake of argument, how can you say that a 350 lbs line man in the NFL is a way better athlete than 99.99% of...

For the sake of argument, how can you say that a 350 lbs line man in the NFL is a way better athlete than 99.99% of top riders. A 350 lbs would get absolutely smash in just about any athletic event by any top pro-riders everyday of the week, except sports where weight is a massive advantage like fighting, lifting and weight throwing. He wouldn't stand a chance in anything that requires running, jumping and quick changing of directions.

Also, because the skillset you have developped for your sport doesn't translate well to other sport doesn't mean you are not a great athlete, unless you take cross-performing as a metric. Take any top athletes from stick and ball sport and put them on a beatdown national track and they will look like absolute squirell, just like RC would look totally out of place if you put him on the court of an NBA game when he was in his best shape.

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The majority of linemen in the nfl have low 5 second 40 times. I’d bet my house no ama pro can beat that. The average lineman’s...

The majority of linemen in the nfl have low 5 second 40 times. I’d bet my house no ama pro can beat that. The average lineman’s vertical is 26-36, I’d bet that would beat the majority of riders too. Go look up their shuttle times, you be surprised how agile they are too, that one my be close. 

 I really don’t think you understand the athleticism of the average nfl lineman. 

 No, they wouldn’t last on a beat track, but that endurance athletes, different than what the list is about. 

Duke28 wrote:
5.4 40 is terrible when you’ve been working on your sport since middle school. JMart runs a 15 5k as am MXer. Would probably do well in...

5.4 40 is terrible when you’ve been working on your sport since middle school. 
JMart runs a 15 5k as am MXer. Would probably do well in cycling as well. 
How you define athleticism is your issue. Can Bolt maintain a HR of 180 for 30-60 min? 
Who has a higher lactate threshold. Bolt or sexton? Idk and I bet you don’t either.  

I wonder what percentage of a MX racer 180 HR is due to adrenaline. I'd be curious comparing HR the morning of the race, before gate drop, and first turn.  

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At the top echelon of the most popular sports there are very few people who could play at a higher level than the pros today.  For example, over 1M kids play high school football each year. Of that maybe 1% (10K) even give college ball a try, and of that 10K, maybe 1% (100) can make a pro roster. This results in a very selective, specialized, and athletic group hitting the field on Sundays. Make no mistake, these guys are absolute beasts who have honed their skills over many years.  

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"Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Typical actual play time for NFL game is 11-13mins. No endurance required...

"Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Typical actual play time for NFL game is 11-13mins. No endurance required. Just need really big/fat dudes to hold the line and small fast dudes to run and catch a ball, and 1 or 2 guys who can throw a ball."

Go take this guy on for 10 minutes and get back to us. He's quick, fast, strong, and smart.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/72965621/usa_today_21976111.0.jpg 

MarkyMark wrote:

Didn't say they couldn't be...........did I?

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

First 2 words?

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

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MarkyMark wrote:

Didn't say they couldn't be...........did I?

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

First 2 words?

MarkyMark wrote:
I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT...

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

Baseball even though an American sport has a lot of international players like Dominican so very few Americans make the cut.  Same for what other sports?

This is the chance of going pro high school or college in sports:

http://media.hometeamsonline.com/photos/baseball/UPSTATESTORM/Probability_Of_Playing_Professionally.pdf

Here’s the chances of going pro in each sport if you are already good enough to make it to college level: 

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/3/6/estimated-probability-of-competing-in-professional-athletics.aspx

But just because you are drafted doesn’t mean you make it to pro or stay in the majors i.e. Michael Jordan.  Many baseball players never see the majors.  

Not so glamorous life of the minor leagues:

https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/mlb/ben-verlander-minor-league-baseball-player-not-so-glamorous-life-behind-the-scenes
 

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MarkyMark wrote:

Didn't say they couldn't be...........did I?

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

First 2 words?

MarkyMark wrote:
I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT...

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

Yep, and motocross riders just need to turn a throttle 

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:

First 2 words?

MarkyMark wrote:
I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT...

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

UpTiTe wrote:

Yep, and motocross riders just need to turn a throttle 

LMAO!!!

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ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise...

ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise to see no MX/SX rider on that list. I think the only ESPN article about MX/SX I've seen so far was about Jett Lawrence..

The List: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40446224/top-100-athletes-21st-century

 

Apart from the fact that this list is questionable, where would YOU personally rank in riders like RC/Cairoli/JS7/RV etc on that list against the other top athletes?

I hate polls, so maybe write about what riders do you think deserve to be on that list and where you'd rank them eventually?

Not to sound like a smartass but, does anybody pay attention to espn? 

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Mavetism wrote:
ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise...

ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise to see no MX/SX rider on that list. I think the only ESPN article about MX/SX I've seen so far was about Jett Lawrence..

The List: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40446224/top-100-athletes-21st-century

 

Apart from the fact that this list is questionable, where would YOU personally rank in riders like RC/Cairoli/JS7/RV etc on that list against the other top athletes?

I hate polls, so maybe write about what riders do you think deserve to be on that list and where you'd rank them eventually?

bluesmoke wrote:

Not to sound like a smartass but, does anybody pay attention to espn? 

Dude!

The Cornhole championships were off the chain!

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MarkyMark wrote:

Didn't say they couldn't be...........did I?

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

First 2 words?

MarkyMark wrote:
I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT...

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

Maybe you don't understand the word "Athlete".

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Why are we (uptite) discounting the hand eye coordination and balance it takes to be in the top 1% of motocross? Are those not athletic qualities?

Put Chase Sexton in the batters box and he isn’t touching a 93mph slider. But put Aaron Judge on a dirtbike and he isn’t beating the last place kid in the 50 class at Loretta’s. 

Now Bo Jackson? Maybe

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The majority of linemen in the nfl have low 5 second 40 times. I’d bet my house no ama pro can beat that. The average lineman’s...

The majority of linemen in the nfl have low 5 second 40 times. I’d bet my house no ama pro can beat that. The average lineman’s vertical is 26-36, I’d bet that would beat the majority of riders too. Go look up their shuttle times, you be surprised how agile they are too, that one my be close. 

 I really don’t think you understand the athleticism of the average nfl lineman. 

 No, they wouldn’t last on a beat track, but that endurance athletes, different than what the list is about. 

Duke28 wrote:
5.4 40 is terrible when you’ve been working on your sport since middle school. JMart runs a 15 5k as am MXer. Would probably do well in...

5.4 40 is terrible when you’ve been working on your sport since middle school. 
JMart runs a 15 5k as am MXer. Would probably do well in cycling as well. 
How you define athleticism is your issue. Can Bolt maintain a HR of 180 for 30-60 min? 
Who has a higher lactate threshold. Bolt or sexton? Idk and I bet you don’t either.  

az2u wrote:
I wonder what percentage of a MX racer 180 HR is due to adrenaline. I'd be curious comparing HR the morning of the race, before gate...

I wonder what percentage of a MX racer 180 HR is due to adrenaline. I'd be curious comparing HR the morning of the race, before gate drop, and first turn.  

I’d say a good amount is adrenaline helping. I’m not in great ride shape but I can average 180 for 50-60 minutes during a race. I’d be lucky to hold 170 for 15 on a treadmill 

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First 2 words?

MarkyMark wrote:
I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT...

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Maybe you don't understand the word "Athlete".

I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes in their natural state. Their “street weight” can be 100+ lbs less than their playing weight.  And believe me, these guys at 250 lbs are athletic animals that likely dominated their high school’s sports programs. 

As for Aaron Judge on a bike:  the dude is huge!  He makes Benny Blose look diminutive, and Benny looks like he’s riding a KLX140!  But take the MLB players who “fit” a pro rider profile and they would likely perform very well on the track. But none of them are gonna take the pay cut!

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MarkyMark wrote:
I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT...

I get it, you don't understand the concept of the word "players". I'm referring to the majority of football players, not singular. The majority are NOT athletes, but, some can be and are. Perhaps whoever that person is that you posted is pretty athletic and one of the exceptions. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll find a few out there. Good job!

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Maybe you don't understand the word "Athlete".

LoudLove wrote:
I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes...

I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes in their natural state. Their “street weight” can be 100+ lbs less than their playing weight.  And believe me, these guys at 250 lbs are athletic animals that likely dominated their high school’s sports programs. 

As for Aaron Judge on a bike:  the dude is huge!  He makes Benny Blose look diminutive, and Benny looks like he’s riding a KLX140!  But take the MLB players who “fit” a pro rider profile and they would likely perform very well on the track. But none of them are gonna take the pay cut!

How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think people can hit the obstacles like whoops, triples, and rhythm sections, and certainly not at a competitive speed.  The top 5 are already lapping the best of the best who rode most of their lives fully committed to get pro level.

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Maybe you don't understand the word "Athlete".

LoudLove wrote:
I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes...

I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes in their natural state. Their “street weight” can be 100+ lbs less than their playing weight.  And believe me, these guys at 250 lbs are athletic animals that likely dominated their high school’s sports programs. 

As for Aaron Judge on a bike:  the dude is huge!  He makes Benny Blose look diminutive, and Benny looks like he’s riding a KLX140!  But take the MLB players who “fit” a pro rider profile and they would likely perform very well on the track. But none of them are gonna take the pay cut!

Moto Braap wrote:
How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think...

How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think people can hit the obstacles like whoops, triples, and rhythm sections, and certainly not at a competitive speed.  The top 5 are already lapping the best of the best who rode most of their lives fully committed to get pro level.

That applies to the top pros of any sport. The top talent can make even great athletes look ridiculous.

Hundreds of riders can ride an SX track, but the top guys make local pros look slow. Just as hundred of guys can play left tackle but only a handful can routinely impose their will against a d-line. It’s the nuances that make the difference. 

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Mavetism wrote:
ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise...

ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise to see no MX/SX rider on that list. I think the only ESPN article about MX/SX I've seen so far was about Jett Lawrence..

The List: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40446224/top-100-athletes-21st-century

 

Apart from the fact that this list is questionable, where would YOU personally rank in riders like RC/Cairoli/JS7/RV etc on that list against the other top athletes?

I hate polls, so maybe write about what riders do you think deserve to be on that list and where you'd rank them eventually?

bluesmoke wrote:

Not to sound like a smartass but, does anybody pay attention to espn? 

I know the ESPN song “da-na na na-na.”

The only time I watch ESPN is if I am in the hospital recovering from major surgery and don’t want to watch the Gilmore Girls.

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I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes...

I can understand Marky’s position as many NFL lineman look obese.  However, that’s due to the requirements of the position and does not reflect the athletes in their natural state. Their “street weight” can be 100+ lbs less than their playing weight.  And believe me, these guys at 250 lbs are athletic animals that likely dominated their high school’s sports programs. 

As for Aaron Judge on a bike:  the dude is huge!  He makes Benny Blose look diminutive, and Benny looks like he’s riding a KLX140!  But take the MLB players who “fit” a pro rider profile and they would likely perform very well on the track. But none of them are gonna take the pay cut!

Moto Braap wrote:
How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think...

How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think people can hit the obstacles like whoops, triples, and rhythm sections, and certainly not at a competitive speed.  The top 5 are already lapping the best of the best who rode most of their lives fully committed to get pro level.

LoudLove wrote:
That applies to the top pros of any sport. The top talent can make even great athletes look ridiculous.Hundreds of riders can ride an SX track...

That applies to the top pros of any sport. The top talent can make even great athletes look ridiculous.

Hundreds of riders can ride an SX track, but the top guys make local pros look slow. Just as hundred of guys can play left tackle but only a handful can routinely impose their will against a d-line. It’s the nuances that make the difference. 

Are there any other sports like Motocross or Supercross or similar that are worthy of mention either on a dirt bike, snowmobile, or other kind of thing worth mentioning to the ESPN voter people that they missed?  There used to be hardcore free-rock climbing competitions or wing suits.  

Is there a sport like MX that requires all the same skills or is there no comparison?

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Moto Braap wrote:
How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think...

How many people can actually make it around a Supercross track without years of training, a mechanic, and a “program”?  Outside 100 people I don’t think people can hit the obstacles like whoops, triples, and rhythm sections, and certainly not at a competitive speed.  The top 5 are already lapping the best of the best who rode most of their lives fully committed to get pro level.

LoudLove wrote:
That applies to the top pros of any sport. The top talent can make even great athletes look ridiculous.Hundreds of riders can ride an SX track...

That applies to the top pros of any sport. The top talent can make even great athletes look ridiculous.

Hundreds of riders can ride an SX track, but the top guys make local pros look slow. Just as hundred of guys can play left tackle but only a handful can routinely impose their will against a d-line. It’s the nuances that make the difference. 

Moto Braap wrote:
Are there any other sports like Motocross or Supercross or similar that are worthy of mention either on a dirt bike, snowmobile, or other kind of...

Are there any other sports like Motocross or Supercross or similar that are worthy of mention either on a dirt bike, snowmobile, or other kind of thing worth mentioning to the ESPN voter people that they missed?  There used to be hardcore free-rock climbing competitions or wing suits.  

Is there a sport like MX that requires all the same skills or is there no comparison?

The world’s most popular two-wheeled sports are MotoGP and cycling.  And neither were represented in the poll. Suffice to say ESPN only considered sports with a certain degree of name recognition. And Travis Pastrana tops that list for MX. 

7/24/2024 12:48pm

Fun fact for all the baseball:MX coMoments.  Wasn’t rj Hampshire drafted by the Yankees but decided to race instead?  

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Fun fact for all the baseball:MX coMoments.  Wasn’t rj Hampshire drafted by the Yankees but decided to race instead?  

Yup RJ did some baseball but not sure if he’d make it to the majors.  He was the Horizon Award winner as the most promising amateur.  His whole family is racers and I think his sister went to Loretta’s too.

If ESPN cares about name recognition how about Chris Gosselaar related to Mark Paul from saved by the bell or Carey Hart married to Pink.  With popularity B Deegan is the Metal Mulisha.  Was there a horse or dog racing?  Polo is popular.  If this were the Philippines they might list a top cock fighter.

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Fun fact for all the baseball:MX coMoments.  Wasn’t rj Hampshire drafted by the Yankees but decided to race instead?  

Moto Braap wrote:
Yup RJ did some baseball but not sure if he’d make it to the majors.  He was the Horizon Award winner as the most promising amateur...

Yup RJ did some baseball but not sure if he’d make it to the majors.  He was the Horizon Award winner as the most promising amateur.  His whole family is racers and I think his sister went to Loretta’s too.

If ESPN cares about name recognition how about Chris Gosselaar related to Mark Paul from saved by the bell or Carey Hart married to Pink.  With popularity B Deegan is the Metal Mulisha.  Was there a horse or dog racing?  Polo is popular.  If this were the Philippines they might list a top cock fighter.

What do Stewart, RC, and Cairoli have in common?  They are all short like race horse jockeys.

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Fun fact for all the baseball:MX coMoments.  Wasn’t rj Hampshire drafted by the Yankees but decided to race instead?  

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Yup RJ did some baseball but not sure if he’d make it to the majors.  He was the Horizon Award winner as the most promising amateur...

Yup RJ did some baseball but not sure if he’d make it to the majors.  He was the Horizon Award winner as the most promising amateur.  His whole family is racers and I think his sister went to Loretta’s too.

If ESPN cares about name recognition how about Chris Gosselaar related to Mark Paul from saved by the bell or Carey Hart married to Pink.  With popularity B Deegan is the Metal Mulisha.  Was there a horse or dog racing?  Polo is popular.  If this were the Philippines they might list a top cock fighter.

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What do Stewart, RC, and Cairoli have in common?  They are all short like race horse jockeys.

Dungey, Stewart, RC, and McGrath are all in the Sagittarius range so if anyone believes in the zodiac they were born to be champs, and the icon is a horseback rider.

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7/25/2024 7:29am
Why are we (uptite) discounting the hand eye coordination and balance it takes to be in the top 1% of motocross? Are those not athletic qualities?Put...

Why are we (uptite) discounting the hand eye coordination and balance it takes to be in the top 1% of motocross? Are those not athletic qualities?

Put Chase Sexton in the batters box and he isn’t touching a 93mph slider. But put Aaron Judge on a dirtbike and he isn’t beating the last place kid in the 50 class at Loretta’s. 

Now Bo Jackson? Maybe

I don’t, I think a few of the riders could probably be decent QBs or Hitters in baseball with proper training growing up, the problem would be physical stature. Just like I believe a few guys in the NFL could’ve probably been factory riders with the right circumstances growing up. 

 But no rider is going to be a position player in football or baseball, they’re not good enough athletes 

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7/25/2024 7:40am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2024 7:43am

On top of being athletic in moto, you also have to have the balls to go faster than everyone else and jump big dangerous jumps.

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My take: Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but...

My take: 

Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. 

Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Typical actual play time for NFL game is 11-13mins. No endurance required. Just need really big/fat dudes to hold the line and small fast dudes to run and catch a ball, and 1 or 2 guys who can throw a ball. 

Basketball players - very athletic but limited in disciplines due to size.  

MX'rs - top athletes. Can crossover into many other disciplines. Eg. David Bailey after suffering paralysis competed in Ironman Triathlon. Right out the gate finished 3rd. That's how fit they are. 

Baseball players: If steroids make you better, you are an athlete. The eye hand coordination is next level for ballplayers as well. 

Football players: You have obviously never done double sessions in your life. I'm more football sized than moto sized and was offered scholarships out of High School to play football at a couple small division 2 schools. Know why I wasn't offered a scholarship in the Big 10 when I had the size? That's right, those scholarships went to better athletes.

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Mavetism wrote:
ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise...

ESPN just released their Top 100 athletes of 21 century list. We all know our sport is small and niche, so it's probably not a surprise to see no MX/SX rider on that list. I think the only ESPN article about MX/SX I've seen so far was about Jett Lawrence..

The List: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40446224/top-100-athletes-21st-century

 

Apart from the fact that this list is questionable, where would YOU personally rank in riders like RC/Cairoli/JS7/RV etc on that list against the other top athletes?

I hate polls, so maybe write about what riders do you think deserve to be on that list and where you'd rank them eventually?

bluesmoke wrote:

Not to sound like a smartass but, does anybody pay attention to espn? 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Dude!

The Cornhole championships were off the chain!

Hahaaa! He said ''cornhole!''😆. All kidding aside, them cornholers are some real athletes.🙂

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stewie94 wrote:
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Wilt Chamberlain....

stewie94 wrote:
wilt was ahead of his time but I can make a case tht wilt under pure athleticism not even top 5 nba player all time...

wilt was ahead of his time but I can make a case tht wilt under pure athleticism not even top 5 nba player all time , hell even “accomplishments” rarely anybody got him in the top 5 

You can't make a serious case of that, though.  Wilt was a freak of nature.  The NBA back then was smaller, so there was less dilution by having so many roster spots (In Wilt's prime, just over 100 roster spots vs over 400 today).  You weren't allowed to carry the ball the way you are today.  The rules were actually changed to make Wilt less dominant, he was that much better than anyone else in pure athleticism and ability.  

Lazy analysts today discredit him because of the video game numbers he put up.  But he really was that much better than anyone else playing at the time. And since.  

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MarkyMark wrote:
My take: Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but...

My take: 

Baseball players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. 

Football players - not athletes, and not required to be athletic but can be. Typical actual play time for NFL game is 11-13mins. No endurance required. Just need really big/fat dudes to hold the line and small fast dudes to run and catch a ball, and 1 or 2 guys who can throw a ball. 

Basketball players - very athletic but limited in disciplines due to size.  

MX'rs - top athletes. Can crossover into many other disciplines. Eg. David Bailey after suffering paralysis competed in Ironman Triathlon. Right out the gate finished 3rd. That's how fit they are. 

You're just joking, right?

The average punter on a college team is incredibly athletic, it's just that the whole field is filled with so many athletes that they almost seem human......

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Did anyone mention sports psychologists?  Being an athlete or having good coordination isn’t good enough for some sports like MX where you need to be in top of your mental game too.

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7/25/2024 9:58pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2024 10:07pm
disbanded wrote:

On top of being athletic in moto, you also have to have the balls to go faster than everyone else and jump big dangerous jumps.

These days the top racers have staying power so it’s not as easy for someone to be a top 20 pro.  Most of the teams invested in a few riders and even if a spot frees up it will likely go to a big time rider.  

We already know this but just about all of the 450 guys on teams are multi time champs from the 250’s and teams would add on a Colt Nichols due to his proven 250 results and being a top 10 contender.  

If the Olympics is every 4 years I don’t know how many chances a person would get but in moto the top pros are racing older leaving less spots for someone to break in and good luck trying to take a ride away from Dean Wilson with his popularity and “we can work with speed”.  Not easy to run a pro lap time.

7/25/2024 11:23pm

Which would you say happens first, Deegs hit's a baseball or, 300 pound NFL lineman hits a double jump?

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Hitting a baseball from a MLB pitcher is not as easy as you think. This guy has a baseball background. 

Well an ex-high school player turned YouTuber who hadn’t seen a live pitch in 17 years just put a ball in play on his 2nd at bat.

What happens if we substitute RJ for Deegs?

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