1 thing I have to ask about SMX

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the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in season tournament whether or not it should count towards these athletes & team accomplishments resumes , even tho their different type of “playoffs”systems , their getting advertised & promoted as a legit title. so my question to yal is as us the FANS/VIEWERS , are yal counting the SMX titles towards these guys resumes when its all said & done or yal still just goona count & judge how many SX & MX titles they won 🤔

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dhp_mma94 wrote:
the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in...

the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in season tournament whether or not it should count towards these athletes & team accomplishments resumes , even tho their different type of “playoffs”systems , their getting advertised & promoted as a legit title. so my question to yal is as us the FANS/VIEWERS , are yal counting the SMX titles towards these guys resumes when its all said & done or yal still just goona count & judge how many SX & MX titles they won 🤔

It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.

Kayne sold more cd's but he ain't a fuckin gangster

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The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work in the end they are probably the 3 most important individual races of the year nonetheless.

We can count them towards the resume.. But we will always know it doesn't have the same value as a MX/SX title.

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Sandusky26 wrote:
It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.Kayne sold more cd's but he...

It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.

Kayne sold more cd's but he ain't a fuckin gangster

Well i read on Vital that becoming a father makes you a gangster and Kayne has 4 kids so he must be a gangster then…

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Sandusky26 wrote:
It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.Kayne sold more cd's but he...

It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.

Kayne sold more cd's but he ain't a fuckin gangster

Tumic wrote:

Well i read on Vital that becoming a father makes you a gangster and Kayne has 4 kids so he must be a gangster then…

from what i see, "gangsterism" today has nothing to do with what you do or what you are, its all looks....looking gangster is the marketing tool to sell shitty music.......in fact it looks like most of them are gay !!!!!!!

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7/19/2024 6:13am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2024 7:40am
Mavetism wrote:
The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work...

The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work in the end they are probably the 3 most important individual races of the year nonetheless.

We can count them towards the resume.. But we will always know it doesn't have the same value as a MX/SX title.

fair assessment 👍🏾👌🏾 as I told others I’ll count em for they overall resumes but when we go to rank these athletes on a overall scale or a top 10 list I’m still valuing ( in this case ) the NBA finals & the regular SX & MX titles way more than the in season tournament & SMX titles 

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Sandusky26 wrote:
It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.Kayne sold more cd's but he...

It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.

Kayne sold more cd's but he ain't a fuckin gangster

Tumic wrote:

Well i read on Vital that becoming a father makes you a gangster and Kayne has 4 kids so he must be a gangster then…

I was born a gangster

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I like that the SMX gives me a few more races to watch, but I couldn't care less about  it as a stand-alone championship. A full season of race performances determines a champion to me. Anything else is just marketing.

Same reason I stopped watching Nascar years ago when that chase countdown thing was created. The true points champion was removed for TV ratings and fake drama. Johnson's championships aren't the same as Petty's.

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Mavetism wrote:
The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work...

The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work in the end they are probably the 3 most important individual races of the year nonetheless.

We can count them towards the resume.. But we will always know it doesn't have the same value as a MX/SX title.

dhp_mma94 wrote:
fair assessment 👍🏾👌🏾 as I told others I’ll count em for they overall resumes but when we go to rank these athletes on a overall scale...

fair assessment 👍🏾👌🏾 as I told others I’ll count em for they overall resumes but when we go to rank these athletes on a overall scale or a top 10 list I’m still valuing ( in this case ) the NBA finals & the regular SX & MX titles way more than the in season tournament & SMX titles 

you must have some Lakers fans in your text trying to count the IST haha.  

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Not yet


But once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resume

Imagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX championships, 0 Mx championships and 0 smx


Rider b has 1 sx, 2 Mx, and 2 smx


I imagine the smx championships will tilt the “better rider” to rider B

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dhp_mma94 wrote:
the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in...

the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in season tournament whether or not it should count towards these athletes & team accomplishments resumes , even tho their different type of “playoffs”systems , their getting advertised & promoted as a legit title. so my question to yal is as us the FANS/VIEWERS , are yal counting the SMX titles towards these guys resumes when its all said & done or yal still just goona count & judge how many SX & MX titles they won 🤔

No, the SMX title doesn't mean much.  Since it's only a 3 race format (and the third race is almost as valuable as the first two races plus seeding points combined), winning the SMX championship is only slightly more valuable than winning an individual race. 

The format is maybe a little bit of fun. Plus more racing is better.  But the playoffs aren't really that much different than a typical race.  The riders who don't qualify are generally riders who wouldn't be in contention anyway.  So it's not like the NFL where just making the playoffs is an accomplishment. 

Probably the best part of SMX is that it encourages riders to race the MX series.  I imagine Cooper Webb would not be coming back for MX this season if there was no SMX to earn points or condition for.

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Mavetism wrote:
The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work...

The SMX title definitely shouldn't compare to a 17 or 11 round championship. But in terms of how much it pays and how the points work in the end they are probably the 3 most important individual races of the year nonetheless.

We can count them towards the resume.. But we will always know it doesn't have the same value as a MX/SX title.

dhp_mma94 wrote:
fair assessment 👍🏾👌🏾 as I told others I’ll count em for they overall resumes but when we go to rank these athletes on a overall scale...

fair assessment 👍🏾👌🏾 as I told others I’ll count em for they overall resumes but when we go to rank these athletes on a overall scale or a top 10 list I’m still valuing ( in this case ) the NBA finals & the regular SX & MX titles way more than the in season tournament & SMX titles 

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you must have some Lakers fans in your text trying to count the IST haha.  

more so the lebron fans which is crazy cause ima lebron fan myself but them winning tht does nothing for me , the new narrative hes now 5 & 6 😒😑 but moto wise I can already foreshadow the Jett super fans running with this as well as far as the “SMX” goes 

7/19/2024 9:24am

there is a bit of a difference, with the NBA in season tournament most of those games count as regular season games as well.  Either way these athletes are paid to compete.  I know we have only had 1 season of SMX, but it does seem as if the riders and teams take it seriously and that it means a lot to them.

 

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Not yetBut once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resumeImagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX...

Not yet


But once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resume

Imagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX championships, 0 Mx championships and 0 smx


Rider b has 1 sx, 2 Mx, and 2 smx


I imagine the smx championships will tilt the “better rider” to rider B

yea but in tht case do you believe this SMX playoff series is here for the long term 🤔 & then on top of tht , as expected with sports evolution with these athletes in the up coming generations I don’t think we can fairly rank 1 above 1 or anotha based on the SMX titles cause previous gen’s like the dungey’s , RV , RC , MC , JS7 & reedy etc…. they didn’t get the opportunity to add another title as such on their resume 

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there is a bit of a difference, with the NBA in season tournament most of those games count as regular season games as well.  Either way...

there is a bit of a difference, with the NBA in season tournament most of those games count as regular season games as well.  Either way these athletes are paid to compete.  I know we have only had 1 season of SMX, but it does seem as if the riders and teams take it seriously and that it means a lot to them.

 

It's meaningful to the riders because they make money, which is a good thing.

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there is a bit of a difference, with the NBA in season tournament most of those games count as regular season games as well.  Either way...

there is a bit of a difference, with the NBA in season tournament most of those games count as regular season games as well.  Either way these athletes are paid to compete.  I know we have only had 1 season of SMX, but it does seem as if the riders and teams take it seriously and that it means a lot to them.

 

I think for me & a lot others it wouldn’t be a big deal if they didn’t have the lakers drop the banner in the rafters for it in the arena with the other cship banners &when they let them do tht & then them showing bron & them celebrating in the back with the champagne popping like they won the finals 

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Not yetBut once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resumeImagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX...

Not yet


But once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resume

Imagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX championships, 0 Mx championships and 0 smx


Rider b has 1 sx, 2 Mx, and 2 smx


I imagine the smx championships will tilt the “better rider” to rider B

dhp_mma94 wrote:
yea but in tht case do you believe this SMX playoff series is here for the long term 🤔 & then on top of tht...

yea but in tht case do you believe this SMX playoff series is here for the long term 🤔 & then on top of tht , as expected with sports evolution with these athletes in the up coming generations I don’t think we can fairly rank 1 above 1 or anotha based on the SMX titles cause previous gen’s like the dungey’s , RV , RC , MC , JS7 & reedy etc…. they didn’t get the opportunity to add another title as such on their resume 

I think it will be for the long run, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see tweaks to the structure throughout the years 


I think comparing current to past is where it’ll get interesting 



Let’s pretend Jett has a career similar to RCs, but he stacked 5 SMX championships on top of it

Would he become the GOAT?

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dhp_mma94 wrote:
the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in...

the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in season tournament whether or not it should count towards these athletes & team accomplishments resumes , even tho their different type of “playoffs”systems , their getting advertised & promoted as a legit title. so my question to yal is as us the FANS/VIEWERS , are yal counting the SMX titles towards these guys resumes when its all said & done or yal still just goona count & judge how many SX & MX titles they won 🤔

RichieW13 wrote:
No, the SMX title doesn't mean much.  Since it's only a 3 race format (and the third race is almost as valuable as the first two...

No, the SMX title doesn't mean much.  Since it's only a 3 race format (and the third race is almost as valuable as the first two races plus seeding points combined), winning the SMX championship is only slightly more valuable than winning an individual race. 

The format is maybe a little bit of fun. Plus more racing is better.  But the playoffs aren't really that much different than a typical race.  The riders who don't qualify are generally riders who wouldn't be in contention anyway.  So it's not like the NFL where just making the playoffs is an accomplishment. 

Probably the best part of SMX is that it encourages riders to race the MX series.  I imagine Cooper Webb would not be coming back for MX this season if there was no SMX to earn points or condition for.

The double/triple points really don’t matter much since everyone gets them. It’s not like you could go 9 and 10 at the first 2 rounds, then win the final and now you’re the champ


I think when I looked back at it last year, the triple points only effected 1 or 2 people, and only for one position 

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Not yetBut once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resumeImagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX...

Not yet


But once it’s established it definitely should count towards the resume

Imagine in 10 years and we’re arguing whose better, rider A who has 3 SX championships, 0 Mx championships and 0 smx


Rider b has 1 sx, 2 Mx, and 2 smx


I imagine the smx championships will tilt the “better rider” to rider B

dhp_mma94 wrote:
yea but in tht case do you believe this SMX playoff series is here for the long term 🤔 & then on top of tht...

yea but in tht case do you believe this SMX playoff series is here for the long term 🤔 & then on top of tht , as expected with sports evolution with these athletes in the up coming generations I don’t think we can fairly rank 1 above 1 or anotha based on the SMX titles cause previous gen’s like the dungey’s , RV , RC , MC , JS7 & reedy etc…. they didn’t get the opportunity to add another title as such on their resume 

I think it will be for the long run, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see tweaks to the structure throughout the years I think comparing...

I think it will be for the long run, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see tweaks to the structure throughout the years 


I think comparing current to past is where it’ll get interesting 



Let’s pretend Jett has a career similar to RCs, but he stacked 5 SMX championships on top of it

Would he become the GOAT?

I kno some or half would disagree but my criteria is solely on the individual SX & MX titles cause thts always been the standard but in theory u could very well be right where it could be established enuff to force convos about adding it to their legacy resumes & rankings. I personally don’t see it going long term as with the NBA in season tournaments & now i think about it , we only got this going cause of the new deal with NBC sports & the money they giving us for this , if shit goes south with the deal in the future then what’s the state of our lil playoff series 

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dhp_mma94 wrote:
the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in...

the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in season tournament whether or not it should count towards these athletes & team accomplishments resumes , even tho their different type of “playoffs”systems , their getting advertised & promoted as a legit title. so my question to yal is as us the FANS/VIEWERS , are yal counting the SMX titles towards these guys resumes when its all said & done or yal still just goona count & judge how many SX & MX titles they won 🤔

RichieW13 wrote:
No, the SMX title doesn't mean much.  Since it's only a 3 race format (and the third race is almost as valuable as the first two...

No, the SMX title doesn't mean much.  Since it's only a 3 race format (and the third race is almost as valuable as the first two races plus seeding points combined), winning the SMX championship is only slightly more valuable than winning an individual race. 

The format is maybe a little bit of fun. Plus more racing is better.  But the playoffs aren't really that much different than a typical race.  The riders who don't qualify are generally riders who wouldn't be in contention anyway.  So it's not like the NFL where just making the playoffs is an accomplishment. 

Probably the best part of SMX is that it encourages riders to race the MX series.  I imagine Cooper Webb would not be coming back for MX this season if there was no SMX to earn points or condition for.

The double/triple points really don’t matter much since everyone gets them. It’s not like you could go 9 and 10 at the first 2 rounds, then...

The double/triple points really don’t matter much since everyone gets them. It’s not like you could go 9 and 10 at the first 2 rounds, then win the final and now you’re the champ


I think when I looked back at it last year, the triple points only effected 1 or 2 people, and only for one position 

We'll have to see how it shakes out over the long run.

 

But the advantage of the point system is that hopefully the winner of the finale will usually be the guy who wins the championship.  That's more exciting than having a guy protect a 10th-place finish for championship, or even wrapping it up a week early.

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I give it about the same weight as a 250sx title. If you add up the points its about 7 races worth, and 6 motos. So maybe slightly less but close enough. 

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dhp_mma94 wrote:
the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in...

the past couples days ( still going ) we been having this debate in some of the group chats im in bout the new NBA in season tournament whether or not it should count towards these athletes & team accomplishments resumes , even tho their different type of “playoffs”systems , their getting advertised & promoted as a legit title. so my question to yal is as us the FANS/VIEWERS , are yal counting the SMX titles towards these guys resumes when its all said & done or yal still just goona count & judge how many SX & MX titles they won 🤔

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It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.Kayne sold more cd's but he...

It's kinda like in the world of gangsterism. Do you count who sold more CD's or who is the realist OG.

Kayne sold more cd's but he ain't a fuckin gangster

Who?

7/19/2024 2:00pm

If the actual Smx races had regular points, to me that would be the " Grand National Champ" and it would mean something real, not as it is though.

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