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I wonder why the big manufacturers don't(didn't) pursue 2 stroke DFI. Lighter, more power, more reliable and CLEANER than EFI four strokes. Seems like a no brainer. Check out the ETEC challenges once page loads.
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/
1.Honda-Big red never wanted to build a 2 stroke in the first place.
2.FIM- By forcing their rules on the ama.
3.AMA-for being stupid enough to let it all go on in the first place.
1.Honda-Big red never wanted to build a 2 stroke in the first place.
2.FIM- By forcing their rules on the ama.
3.AMA-for being stupid enough to let it all go on i the first place.
You normally this stupid or just having a bad day?
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Please tell us with your all knowing wisdom, what caused the demise of the 2-stroke.
Please tell us with your all knowing wisdom, what caused the demise of the 2-stroke.
Had little to do with your idiotic idea that Honda never wanted to build a 2stk....
Please tell us with your all knowing wisdom, what caused the demise of the 2-stroke.
Had little to do with your idiotic idea that Honda never wanted to build a 2stk....[/quote:2hhdapw5]
It's a documented fact that Mr. Honda didn't want to build two stroke MX bikes. That was reported in the first articles about the Elsinore.
It's a documented fact that Mr. Honda didn't want to build two stroke MX bikes. That was reported in the first articles about the Elsinore.[/quote:3ovj8051]
This is true from what I hear.
Then once they did, they made the best there was and sold the more than anyone
Whatever
Facts have nothing to do with it...
Has to do with a little thing RC almost quit over. Fuel...
Has to do with a little thing RC almost quit over. Fuel...
Was that a "rule" or a decision?
You really need to be more specific and not speak in code
IT'S A PROFIT DEAL!
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Please tell us with your all knowing wisdom, what caused the demise of the 2-stroke.
uhhhhhhh. WE DID. The consumers voted with their wallets.
You really need to be more specific and not speak in code[/quote:1xedd7i8]
I sat in meetings after meetings for about 3-4 years and listen to the then staff tell us exactly that. We have to be "global" rules, we have to "blend" with FIM, we have to make it all similiar.. ANyone who bucked that idea was dealt with by being shot down when proposing non-compliant rule changes and the such. dave that one I dealt with personally. Oh and today with our 'new' rule changes, I will bet they won't last long, rumblings are already happening. This "new" vision guy has alot of things on the table, the people who are quitting and being fired is getting to be a big list. Watch that AMA board closely and see if it will truely represent the "riders"........ "my trustee" jeff Smith just resigned Friday and he was one hell of a voice for us here in the midwest, so not real sure what the hell is going one, he isn't a "quitter"..........
Please tell us with your all knowing wisdom, what caused the demise of the 2-stroke.
uhhhhhhh. WE DID. The consumers voted with their wallets.[/quote:t8q3xrc6]
I think the outdated AMA rules helped a bit.
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/[/quote:3mq2cv1d]
I drove the new BRP 600DI Etec sled two weeks ago. No smoke or smell, drops right to a silky smooth 1000rpm idle when you get off the gas (actually sounds like a small 4 stroke or outboard when idling), but pulls like a typical 2 stroke. Very nice. Better gas mileage and waaaay lighter than the 4 strokes.
Nomad is talking about stuff before Dingman and his "new vision."
Hell, he's referencing Soichiro Honda's personal dislike for the simplicty of the two stroke, even though the very first Honda motorcycle built and sold was the Honda "Dream," a 98cc 2 stroke.
Dont confuse this thread with your first-hand-account facts. The Powers-At-Be have decided you dont need your silly 2-stroke. Turn away from this naive notion that your smoker can be adapted to become better and even surpass the hallowed Thumper. They have decided that the incredibly antiquated Otto Cycle machine is better. Dont you see? We dont need simpler, we need complicated. We need an engine chock full of spinning parts that wear and fail. We need rotating mass all over the engine, cams, buckets, shims, gears, springs & locks, with chains flailing around and valves bouncing off the seat, stems snapping and exhaust so loud you want to jam an ice pick into your ears. Catch up already, Dammit.
"Forget about your silly whim, it doesnt fit the plan" [i:b74ax1to]- Rush 2112[/i:b74ax1to]
We all know the thumper will never go away, as it's been here for years, but the two stroke EFI is a real eye opener in my opinion.
I know a little about the Evenrude outboard motors and think that same concept would be an amazing fit on a dirt bike.
IT'S A PROFIT DEAL![/quote:1rzia618]
This is funny.
Emissions is the real reason why we have 4 strokes now!! A 2 stroke can't meet the strict requirements that we will have in the not so distant future.
Emissions is the real reason why we have 4 strokes now!! A 2 stroke can't meet the strict requirements that we will have in the not so distant future.[/quote:w6qyggpd]
These racing 4 stokes aren't that emissions friendly .
those of you that can look at this thread know this. Burleson is the "corporate" rep for KTM of all places, and his bullcrap in this minutes about last year's executive board and ama trustees board decision on class structure was simple a joke. When he goes on to chastize the people for "not listening to that board" after HE voted against rule changes from congress that were voted in the first time unanmously* is nothing more then a friggin joke. If you truely want to see why so many of us are pissed, go back and read some of the minutes from the last three years it's simple to see. WIth Jeff now resigning, "my" area will have a very hard time finding his kind of drive and voice who represented us very well.
two stroke deal is only a small part. When AMA goes and hires a company for structureing, and that company has more history in the car racing venues, we will go farther and farther away from membership and more to a dictatorship. It happened years ago in amatuer mx, and with stupercross, next national mx is on the block along with anything else that can be sold off.
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