we r starting a riders union

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FreshTopEnd 5/3/2010 10:42am
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Keep it simple and straight forward. The more issues you take under the mantle, the harder it will be to get agreement.

In a perfect world the people who lay out and build tracks would listen and respond to rider input. For all of the rhetoric in here, it seems to me that what you're after is simply to have the riders be in a position where people with that responsibility will actually have to do so.
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GuyB 5/3/2010 10:42am
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GuyB wrote:
Hang on, I'm going to clean some dumb out of this thread. BRB.
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Leave it, it gives this topic character!!


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I think this thread is for intelligent discussion on an important topic, not for a couple whack-jobs to vent their not-so-well-thought-out opinions.

Okay, carry on.
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Roscoe33 5/3/2010 10:44am
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txrider44 wrote:
What about looking into better helmet technology/testing? Anyone know which helmets McFarlane and Masterpool were wearing?
The old blame game is way off...

This is about the riders having a voice about their own safety....
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englishman 5/3/2010 10:45am
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I'm sure Heinz Kinigardner would be a great guy to talk with as he is very active in rider safety in Europe.

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MxMouth 5/3/2010 10:48am
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Keep it simple and straight forward. The more issues you take under the mantle, the harder it will be to get agreement. In a perfect world...
Keep it simple and straight forward. The more issues you take under the mantle, the harder it will be to get agreement.

In a perfect world the people who lay out and build tracks would listen and respond to rider input. For all of the rhetoric in here, it seems to me that what you're after is simply to have the riders be in a position where people with that responsibility will actually have to do so.
Which is what they'll have to do at first to make it work...........

Most important issue................ Riders Safety. Get a united front to address track safety and let it grow from that.

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txrider44 5/3/2010 10:48am
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txrider44 wrote:
What about looking into better helmet technology/testing? Anyone know which helmets McFarlane and Masterpool were wearing?
Roscoe33 wrote:
The old blame game is way off...

This is about the riders having a voice about their own safety....
No blame game here. Just crazy that both riders were wearing a fox helmet. You dont think the riders should voice about helmet safety?
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GuyB 5/3/2010 10:55am
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If you guys want to continue on with that, please take it to another thread. Don't derail this one.
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flarider 5/3/2010 11:20am
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GuyB wrote:
I think this thread is for intelligent discussion on an important topic, not for a couple whack-jobs to vent their not-so-well-thought-out opinions.

Okay, carry on.
Um, hello...VitalDrive.....
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motomike137 5/3/2010 11:23am
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Just curious what was at the bottom of the refusal to make adjustments on the tracks. Did they not want to hold up the show while they made the adjustments? It seems that everyone would have to be prepared for slight delays while changes get done. There will be cases where a certain obstacle is just not right or safe from lap 1 of practice and that will be a simpler fix. But when the danger developes over the course of an evening and really presents itself later in the program then all will need to be prepared for speedy and well thought out adjustments. As a fan (a harcore longtime fan) I am ready to back whatever it takes.

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GuyB 5/3/2010 11:27am
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In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races. First gate pick is based on fastest heat race time. Do you give an advantage to one rider over another in that situation? Chad was in the first one.

If Chad had made the same request before or after practice, rather than following the first heat race of the night, would the answer have been the same? I guessing not.
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JBR13 5/3/2010 11:35am
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I think if it was to keep the jump that way for the second heat race, they could have then changed it for the main events. So I am guessing not too!
neverwasfastenuf 5/3/2010 11:37am
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I think if it was to keep the jump that way for the second heat race, they could have then changed it for the main events...
I think if it was to keep the jump that way for the second heat race, they could have then changed it for the main events. So I am guessing not too!
According to someone on here that was right in front of the seciton where Villopoto crashed he said that they did work on the track prior to the lites main event.
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motomike137 5/3/2010 11:41am
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GuyB wrote:
In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races...
In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races. First gate pick is based on fastest heat race time. Do you give an advantage to one rider over another in that situation? Chad was in the first one.

If Chad had made the same request before or after practice, rather than following the first heat race of the night, would the answer have been the same? I guessing not.
That makes sense as to why they would not want to do it. That just illustrates one point as to how complicated this could get. We are dealing with very dynamic circumstances when it comes to these tracks (especially a SX track in a open stadium). Then you add in the way the rules are structured it will take a lot of thought and cooperation.
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magoo23 5/3/2010 11:53am
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GuyB wrote:
In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races...
In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races. First gate pick is based on fastest heat race time. Do you give an advantage to one rider over another in that situation? Chad was in the first one.

If Chad had made the same request before or after practice, rather than following the first heat race of the night, would the answer have been the same? I guessing not.
I'm guessing there was plenty of time to fix the jump after both heats... During intermission, maybe... With the rider union that SH is working on, the main events may have had a new jump in place. And we, as fans, would maybe be watching RD and RV battle to the end... And on another note, I'm not seeing some of my posts... I'm assuming I was included in your 'whack job' group, and I'll actually take that as a compliment! I'll stick up for the riders, even if their wrong... Anybody who's studied just basic psychology knows that people are followers... But it only takes one to change the path of the group... One dork casting doubt on SHs ideas could cause him to second guess himself and give up, regardless of the scores of others that are supportive... I'll do my part to make sure GL and SH don't have any doubts. Proud to be a whack job!!!
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GuyB 5/3/2010 11:57am
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magoo23 wrote:
I'm guessing there was plenty of time to fix the jump after both heats... During intermission, maybe... With the rider union that SH is working on...
I'm guessing there was plenty of time to fix the jump after both heats... During intermission, maybe... With the rider union that SH is working on, the main events may have had a new jump in place. And we, as fans, would maybe be watching RD and RV battle to the end... And on another note, I'm not seeing some of my posts... I'm assuming I was included in your 'whack job' group, and I'll actually take that as a compliment! I'll stick up for the riders, even if their wrong... Anybody who's studied just basic psychology knows that people are followers... But it only takes one to change the path of the group... One dork casting doubt on SHs ideas could cause him to second guess himself and give up, regardless of the scores of others that are supportive... I'll do my part to make sure GL and SH don't have any doubts. Proud to be a whack job!!!
If you were quoting someone else, and their message went out with the tide, yours goes, too.

I meant more like the guy who suggested that everyone boycott Vegas. For what? To get this started off on the wrong foot?
lostboy819 5/3/2010 12:05pm
5/3/2010 12:05pm
I really hope that they can make this work,but happens when you get a top rider who says he wont ride and then lines up anyway like Emig did at Vegas to get a easy win. will a riders union be able to fine or penalize a rider who breaks from the ranks?
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nobhead 5/3/2010 12:24pm
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GuyB wrote:
In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races...
In St. Louis, it might have had to do with something as simple as keeping the track the same for the first and second heat races. First gate pick is based on fastest heat race time. Do you give an advantage to one rider over another in that situation? Chad was in the first one.

If Chad had made the same request before or after practice, rather than following the first heat race of the night, would the answer have been the same? I guessing not.
Simple change the track then first in both heats flip a coin for first gate pick. It's better than a broken leg or 9 ribs and lung. The coin works for football.
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smc916 5/3/2010 12:28pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I really hope that they can make this work,but happens when you get a top rider who says he wont ride and then lines up anyway...
I really hope that they can make this work,but happens when you get a top rider who says he wont ride and then lines up anyway like Emig did at Vegas to get a easy win. will a riders union be able to fine or penalize a rider who breaks from the ranks?
My thoughts exactly.

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Hank_Thrill 5/3/2010 12:29pm
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I'm STOKED!

You guys rule!
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chadwik74 5/3/2010 1:06pm
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"we r starting a riders union" Dry

Is everyone just overlookin' rule#1 of fight club? No text talk??Huh
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GuyB 5/3/2010 1:09pm
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Not sure if that one was typed up on his phone or not. Regardless, I think he gets a pass on this one. The message is more important than the infraction.
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FreshTopEnd 5/3/2010 1:21pm
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Have there been more concerns with the tracks since they dropped the Friday session a couple years ago? I wonder if some of these issues got solved in the past with all parties having more time to get a feel for the track and make adjustments.

That's a serious question.
neverwasfastenuf 5/3/2010 1:23pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Have there been more concerns with the tracks since they dropped the Friday session a couple years ago? I wonder if some of these issues got...
Have there been more concerns with the tracks since they dropped the Friday session a couple years ago? I wonder if some of these issues got solved in the past with all parties having more time to get a feel for the track and make adjustments.

That's a serious question.
That's also a very valid question.
neverwasfastenuf 5/3/2010 1:31pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
Have there been more concerns with the tracks since they dropped the Friday session a couple years ago? I wonder if some of these issues got...
Have there been more concerns with the tracks since they dropped the Friday session a couple years ago? I wonder if some of these issues got solved in the past with all parties having more time to get a feel for the track and make adjustments.

That's a serious question.
neverwasfastenuf wrote:
That's also a very valid question.
A little more time for everyone involved would probably cure most concerns.
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Faceaz 5/3/2010 2:12pm
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Great to hear GL8, figures it would take a couple foreigners to come here & make some good changes lol.

Obviously safety is you guys main priority, but do you know everything you guys are going to be involved in? It would be awesome if you guys did some sort of major medical & an AFLAC type of thing for members. So often with injuries, we hear of riders not having coverage & if the injury is life changing, they’re left with nothing after. It would be great to see you guys have some help getting back on your feet.
MxDentist177 5/3/2010 5:24pm
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Bump. This is a great idea. As a privateer that stopped racing in 2005 I can only imagine where I would be now if there was a union. I hope they address the paltry payouts for privateers.
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one"O"three 5/3/2010 6:16pm
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The promoters have all the face cards in the deck, don't expect them to give any away!

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FastEddy 5/3/2010 6:24pm
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A riders union is most definitely way overdue in this sport...
Glad to see the top guys stepping up and organizing!
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GOOSE 5/3/2010 6:41pm
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This is something that has been talked about lately with the pressing concerns of track design. Let's hope for some movement here.
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I'm excited that the stars of our sport are doing this. It's about time!

For the record, none of the racers who sat out the 199? Las Vegas SX did so because of the letter which was passed around, certainly not MC. As I understood, Emig was following the boss' orders to race that night, just as the rest of team Yamaha did.

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