I'm looking for GP teams who would be interested to sign American teenagers

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 12:54am
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Bob Moore, the last American to win an MX world title when he clinched the 125 crown in 1994, has been a regular visitor to the GPs on the lookout for european youngsters who could be interested in riding for US SX teams.
But Bob's visit to Mantova at the weekend had another purpose: "I'm looking for GP teams who would be interested to sign American teenagers. I have a list of youngsters who are interested in racing the GPs for two years before entering AMA SX."
The AMA has created the situation by increasing the minimum age for a Pro licence in the States from 16 years to 17 this year and 18 from 2011. It was claimed that they wanted to encourage youngsters to complete their High School education, but most leading "amateurs" already receive private schooling to fit around their training programme; now it would appear that they will soon be majoring in geography as they travel the world in search of GP glory !
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4/13/2010 10:20am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:06pm
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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DC wrote:
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to...
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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That's not the topic.
Here we have something new going on and I don't see any good side-effects for american motocross....
You happy?
I'm not
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DC wrote:
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to...
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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line-up wrote:
That's not the topic.
Here we have something new going on and I don't see any good side-effects for american motocross....
You happy?
I'm not
I'm Happy

To many 16 yr old dipshits riding scooters in America. They could use some time in Europe. most won't last 30 day's over there.
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DC wrote:
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to...
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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line-up wrote:
That's not the topic.
Here we have something new going on and I don't see any good side-effects for american motocross....
You happy?
I'm not
500guy wrote:
I'm Happy

To many 16 yr old dipshits riding scooters in America. They could use some time in Europe. most won't last 30 day's over there.
you're such a smart guy

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4/13/2010 11:04am Edited Date/Time 4/13/2010 11:05am
Im not sure raising the age you turrn pros gonna make any dent on the number of kids getting homeschooling. Interesting to hear about the liability issues. Is this some new laws that have been brought in recently in the US?
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I think it's cool that a kid would take any opportunity to race internationally, whether it's the FIM Junior races like Eli Tomac won last year in New Zealand, or GPs if they can find the right situation for them and their families. The good side-effects are that a kid who feels ready to go pro gets to see the world, get that "geography" lesson, and get ready for his professional debut here. I know the three or four races I did in Europe were among the highlights of my very short racing career!

It's the litigious nature of the U.S. that created this problem for the teams and the promoters, and that's a big reasons why most other professional motor sports in America have a minimum age of 18. Europe has different rules and very limited liability concerns. That's probably why our drinking age is 21 (too old in my opinion) and there's is much lower. Most other countries don't have the liability exposure ours does.

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4/13/2010 11:08am
I had one conspiracy theorist claim that the reason for the boost in minimum age was so that they'd have to go through the Loretta's system for two more years.

Hoo boy.
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4/13/2010 11:18am
DC wrote:
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to...
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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line-up wrote:
That's not the topic.
Here we have something new going on and I don't see any good side-effects for american motocross....
You happy?
I'm not
500guy wrote:
I'm Happy

To many 16 yr old dipshits riding scooters in America. They could use some time in Europe. most won't last 30 day's over there.
Amen Jay........16 year olds are here today, gone tomorrow, hopefully the new age will help these kids have some staying power......older, wiser, stronger, will only help them down the road in this sport, rather than trying to keep up with the learning curve that can be extremely steep in pro supercross/motocross. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but........this is a good direction to go.

Anyway, sorry to get off topic.......
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4/13/2010 11:45am Edited Date/Time 4/13/2010 12:03pm
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no difference to that race.... And leaving the age at 16 would just get kids to the pro nationals sooner, which actually has a higher entry fee than Loretta's, so that particular conspiracy theory just makes no sense to me....

But when a 16-year-old kid crashes, gets hurt, and then one of the parents bring a suit because they didn't sign the minor release form -- they are divorced, estranged, one or the other is absent, etc. -- and a court of law upholds the complaint, which happened in both Florida and Tennessee, it can cause a real problem for the tracks, the promoters and the teams that hire minors for professional-level competition.

Again, the teams, the SX promoter, the outdoor promoters, and the AMA all decided to do this, not just MX Sports. I do happen to agree with it, as both a parent and a promoter.

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4/13/2010 11:49am
How about instituting a real GPA to amateur racing. Along with these professional Amateurs, the sport really hasn't any plans for their futures. Now I am not saying that the sport needs to supersede the parents, but I doubt they are sharp enough to realize when their youngster augers in, the family dreams are shattered.
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DC wrote:
I think it's cool that a kid would take any opportunity to race internationally, whether it's the FIM Junior races like Eli Tomac won last year...
I think it's cool that a kid would take any opportunity to race internationally, whether it's the FIM Junior races like Eli Tomac won last year in New Zealand, or GPs if they can find the right situation for them and their families. The good side-effects are that a kid who feels ready to go pro gets to see the world, get that "geography" lesson, and get ready for his professional debut here. I know the three or four races I did in Europe were among the highlights of my very short racing career!

It's the litigious nature of the U.S. that created this problem for the teams and the promoters, and that's a big reasons why most other professional motor sports in America have a minimum age of 18. Europe has different rules and very limited liability concerns. That's probably why our drinking age is 21 (too old in my opinion) and there's is much lower. Most other countries don't have the liability exposure ours does.

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How many do you really think will be coming back?
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DC wrote:
I think it's cool that a kid would take any opportunity to race internationally, whether it's the FIM Junior races like Eli Tomac won last year...
I think it's cool that a kid would take any opportunity to race internationally, whether it's the FIM Junior races like Eli Tomac won last year in New Zealand, or GPs if they can find the right situation for them and their families. The good side-effects are that a kid who feels ready to go pro gets to see the world, get that "geography" lesson, and get ready for his professional debut here. I know the three or four races I did in Europe were among the highlights of my very short racing career!

It's the litigious nature of the U.S. that created this problem for the teams and the promoters, and that's a big reasons why most other professional motor sports in America have a minimum age of 18. Europe has different rules and very limited liability concerns. That's probably why our drinking age is 21 (too old in my opinion) and there's is much lower. Most other countries don't have the liability exposure ours does.

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line-up wrote:
How many do you really think will be coming back?
How many do you think start over there and migrate to the USA ?

I will wager very few will leave the USA and even more will come to the USA.

I personally would like to see them make the age limit 8-10 yrs old before starting so we don't have the psycho mini parents yelling at a 4 yr old to pin it.
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line-up wrote:
How many do you really think will be coming back?
I'd say every single one that can get a ride here will be coming back.

If they can't get a ride in America, then they'll stay in the GP's either indefinately or until their stock rises high enough to catch the attention of the American teams.

This is only making obvious what many already know....that the GP's are a stepping stone to AMA SX....
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I'm really still not sure how many 15-, 16- and 17-year-old American kids are ready to move to Europe at that age, but it's certainly an option.

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I'm really still not sure how many 15-, 16- and 17-year-old American kids are ready to move to Europe at that age, but it's certainly an...
I'm really still not sure how many 15-, 16- and 17-year-old American kids are ready to move to Europe at that age, but it's certainly an option.

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They can live off the GP prize money
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4/13/2010 12:03pm
Anything that might...jus' might ...slow down the New Vision of havin' 12 year-olds on "Works Rides" makes sense, to me.

Also, it's not to terrible to think that the kids might be a lil' bit older and more 'grown-up' before they get out on the road.

No need to rant. It's jus' my opinion.
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Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no...
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no difference to that race.... And leaving the age at 16 would just get kids to the pro nationals sooner, which actually has a higher entry fee than Loretta's, so that particular conspiracy theory just makes no sense to me....

But when a 16-year-old kid crashes, gets hurt, and then one of the parents bring a suit because they didn't sign the minor release form -- they are divorced, estranged, one or the other is absent, etc. -- and a court of law upholds the complaint, which happened in both Florida and Tennessee, it can cause a real problem for the tracks, the promoters and the teams that hire minors for professional-level competition.

Again, the teams, the SX promoter, the outdoor promoters, and the AMA all decided to do this, not just MX Sports. I do happen to agree with it, as both a parent and a promoter.

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X2!

I'm of the opinion myself that a 16 year old just may be the fastest rider on the planet - but unless they are an exceptionally mature 16 year old (by far the exception) a pro ticket written by a parent/manager may not be a real smart thing to do.

I am really sick of burnt out talent at 19. Why is is we somehow see a need to eat our young in this sport? And as a side note, TA, you got genuine gold in what you've built there, but I'm afraid you've also really pissed in the pool by creating a whole flock of wannabes that will only be able to do half of what you did - betrayed by the limits of their own potential. And their kids will be paying that price.

If you are not able to enjoy A: being a kid and B: racing motorcycles then a BIG WTF!
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I remember seeing a couple of basketball players moving to Europe because they raised the NBA's minimum age to 19, and it worked out great for one -- Brandon Jennings lived in Greece, I believe, and is now a candidate for Rookie of the Year with the Milwaukee Bucks. But another kid -- Jeremy Tyler from San Diego -- went to Israel to play and totally washed out, both on- and off the court. Now he's back in the states at age 18, not able to play in school because he dropped out and his stock dropped terribly with the NBA. He may enter the NBA's "D" league, which means Development.

Some kids can handle coming here at a young age, but most Europeans are 18 or older before moving here (Max Anstie is a recent exception). Some Yanks will be able to handle going there before they turn 18, but I'm not sure exactly how many would really be interested. It will be interesting to watch, in both directions.

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I know that plenty of amateur riders have educational options that are outside the norm, but it all depends on how seriously they take it.

Going to Europe to race would be an education in itself, but I'm not sure how many of them would be ready for it. Dealing with the various languages, cultures, etc. Also, being away from home. Then try and pile on continuing their education while there. Seems like they'd have to be extremely motivated and focused to handle all that, plus the racing and training.

I like that the age got bumped up.
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4/13/2010 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:06pm
DC wrote:
I'm really still not sure how many 15-, 16- and 17-year-old American kids are ready to move to Europe at that age, but it's certainly an...
I'm really still not sure how many 15-, 16- and 17-year-old American kids are ready to move to Europe at that age, but it's certainly an option.

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500guy wrote:
They can live off the GP prize money
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DC wrote:
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to...
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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Crap, I was naive and honestly thought the school angle was the reason. This makes more sense.

Well a good side effect at least.
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4/13/2010 3:06pm
There's so, so few kids that are really qualified to be competitive in the GP's or Nationals, let alone SX, coming out of Lorettas.

Consistent with the delusional youth MX parenting syndrome, there'll be a thousand thinking it's their kid.

But I guess it will get them seasoning. Or scorched.
4/13/2010 3:39pm
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Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no...
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no difference to that race.... And leaving the age at 16 would just get kids to the pro nationals sooner, which actually has a higher entry fee than Loretta's, so that particular conspiracy theory just makes no sense to me....

But when a 16-year-old kid crashes, gets hurt, and then one of the parents bring a suit because they didn't sign the minor release form -- they are divorced, estranged, one or the other is absent, etc. -- and a court of law upholds the complaint, which happened in both Florida and Tennessee, it can cause a real problem for the tracks, the promoters and the teams that hire minors for professional-level competition.

Again, the teams, the SX promoter, the outdoor promoters, and the AMA all decided to do this, not just MX Sports. I do happen to agree with it, as both a parent and a promoter.

DCMX Sports
I see. That makes some sense.
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I have witnessed the " home schooled" moto kids, in my experience that equals " no school" ....Pros that can't spell the kids name on a poster !

Racing in Europe ....is that the dream of the racer or the parents ?
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DC wrote:
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no...
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no difference to that race.... And leaving the age at 16 would just get kids to the pro nationals sooner, which actually has a higher entry fee than Loretta's, so that particular conspiracy theory just makes no sense to me....

But when a 16-year-old kid crashes, gets hurt, and then one of the parents bring a suit because they didn't sign the minor release form -- they are divorced, estranged, one or the other is absent, etc. -- and a court of law upholds the complaint, which happened in both Florida and Tennessee, it can cause a real problem for the tracks, the promoters and the teams that hire minors for professional-level competition.

Again, the teams, the SX promoter, the outdoor promoters, and the AMA all decided to do this, not just MX Sports. I do happen to agree with it, as both a parent and a promoter.

DCMX Sports
I see. That makes some sense.
Yea it would be nuts to think that they would have done it to help promote education.....
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DC wrote:
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no...
Loretta Lynn's is one race of many, many on the amateur calendar. It will have a full gate no matter what, so it makes absolutely no difference to that race.... And leaving the age at 16 would just get kids to the pro nationals sooner, which actually has a higher entry fee than Loretta's, so that particular conspiracy theory just makes no sense to me....

But when a 16-year-old kid crashes, gets hurt, and then one of the parents bring a suit because they didn't sign the minor release form -- they are divorced, estranged, one or the other is absent, etc. -- and a court of law upholds the complaint, which happened in both Florida and Tennessee, it can cause a real problem for the tracks, the promoters and the teams that hire minors for professional-level competition.

Again, the teams, the SX promoter, the outdoor promoters, and the AMA all decided to do this, not just MX Sports. I do happen to agree with it, as both a parent and a promoter.

DCMX Sports
I have been on the fence with this one for a while and see both sides. With liability at the forefront who was the biggest proponent. I understand the liability side , but won't there still be kids under eighteen racing in a National Championship? Is the difference that they have a chance to earn or be paid. And in terms of parents not signing the consent form couldn't that still be a problem for amateur racing and how about just having the form certified like they already are just separate forms for each parent. I am not trying to be a pessimist I am just trying to see who it benefited the most. Seems like the promoters will still be running races regardless of the "AMA" nats so that leaves the Factories and the group in charge of sanctions correct? I could understand if the cost of running races with minors was astronomical, but don't local tracks do it every weekend? I am not saying it should go back just trying to understand the logic...
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Even with Anstie tho, it isn't like he just moved... He and his Dad had been in the states for a while, in fact, wasn't his Dad involved with the race team too?!?!

I say anything that is done in regards to safety, education, and the best interests of the sport's future is good thinking...

And no, there is no way that a it is going to make loads of US riders leave for Europe... they might be unhappy that they have to do Ams for two more years, but not that unhappy! And once it has gone by for a few years it will seem normal to turn pro at 18...
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4/13/2010 4:49pm
Personally I don't understand how the minors can sign such contracts?

They should be legal adults before being Pro's. To me it is that simple.
4/13/2010 5:02pm
If AC92 would go, he can stay with PC @ the CLS team.
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4/13/2010 5:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 10:06pm
DC wrote:
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to...
I wish the reporter over there would check that "claim" about the reason for raising the minimum age limit to 18 being to encourage kids to stay in school. While that might be a good side-effect, the main reason was due to parental consent and liability release forms and the exposure those situations cause for not only promoters but also the race teams that hire them for professional competition -- in both SX and MX.


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line-up wrote:
That's not the topic.
Here we have something new going on and I don't see any good side-effects for american motocross....
You happy?
I'm not
sounds like you got a kid who is gonna get "screwed" out of a 16 yr old factory ride.


I think it's pretty healthy for everyone involved to move professional racing into an arena where you must be an adult to participate. It makes absolute sense. It's not like you can enter into a real contract with a minor in the first place. It will protect children and promoters and is a good thing. It will allow for a little more time to reach a higher level of maturity, albeit slightly.


I think it's nothing but positive for these kids to slow down, chill out and grow up just a tiny bit more before they are thrown into the professional ranks. I know that kids are racing all over the country all year long right now, but that is their parents choice. That is not a corporation requiring the child to work 60+ hour weeks while traveling all over the country/world. The exposure for hiring minors as a corporation must be ridiculous. Hadn't really thought about it before.

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