C-clip from Roczen's shock exits the chat...

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4/22/2024 9:52am

Wow! Is this real? Incredible photo👍

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So what are the thoughts here?
We saw it blow when he landed form the triple, but the clip appears to be a few whoops in.

Seems like the clip blowing out is a result of a larger failure...?

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4/22/2024 10:10am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 10:11am

i feel bad for kenny on this. but i want to thank him for providing some of the coolest footage that will grace mx .....it was vicious/ and cool looking all at the same time. kinda reminds me of reeds rollin up the windows

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So what are the thoughts here? We saw it blow when he landed form the triple, but the clip appears to be a few whoops in...

So what are the thoughts here?
We saw it blow when he landed form the triple, but the clip appears to be a few whoops in.

Seems like the clip blowing out is a result of a larger failure...?

Can't tell if this is the cause, or the effect.

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sandman768 wrote:

Wow! Is this real? Incredible photo👍

Real as can be, took a bit of zooming in though.

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sandman768 wrote:

Wow! Is this real? Incredible photo👍

ML512 wrote:

Real as can be, took a bit of zooming in though.

That is an incredible pic.

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If the clip that retains the seal head came out like shown, you would think all the guts would come out and the rear wheel would over extend beyond normal, but we didn't see that. Very strange regardless! 

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4/22/2024 10:41am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 10:42am

Suzuki sucks....  get him off that vintage bike!!!

 

(Extreme sarchasm alert) Wink

 

Amazing what photograph catches isn't it?

 

Who the hell said it was talcum powder in another thread....   good grief. 

 

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Cdubya wrote:
If the clip that retains the seal head came out like shown, you would think all the guts would come out and the rear wheel would...

If the clip that retains the seal head came out like shown, you would think all the guts would come out and the rear wheel would over extend beyond normal, but we didn't see that. Very strange regardless! 

Could be the reservoir clip.

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Cdubya wrote:
If the clip that retains the seal head came out like shown, you would think all the guts would come out and the rear wheel would...

If the clip that retains the seal head came out like shown, you would think all the guts would come out and the rear wheel would over extend beyond normal, but we didn't see that. Very strange regardless! 

Most likely the reservoir clip…

But the first smoke puff came in the landing from the triple. Pic with the clip is from the whoops..?

Anyway, Item 12 ⬇️

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4/22/2024 10:48am

Seen this twice one was the schrader valve blew out the other the cap split. Both times clip was gone.

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4/22/2024 10:49am

I take it you shot that, Mike? (there are no photo credits) 

That is absolutely incredible to get that shot. Nice!!!

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I take it you shot that, Mike? (there are no photo credits) 

That is absolutely incredible to get that shot. Nice!!!

Octopi media shot this,  we hire them for the races.

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The clip looks relatively intact. I would surmise that if you could somehow assemble the shock with it halfway installed, pressurize it to 165psi and it doesn't blow up in practice or the heat, it would shear the clip and it wouldn't be complete. 

I'm thinking their are other pieces like the casting on the bottom of the shock that may have failed to enable that spectacular picture. Those clips are small but used worldwide in billions of high pressure applications. 

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That was one hell of a big jump and hard landing but having a whoop section right after was possibly the worst case scenario for this to happen throwing him around like a pogo stick. Hope his test results come back with some good news but damn that hit he took to the leg was pretty nasty. 

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4/22/2024 11:49am

Is there video of this? 

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4/22/2024 11:57am
enketchum wrote:
Is there video of this? 

Is there video of this? 

Yes, watch the race.Woohoo

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ProKawi24 wrote:
That was one hell of a big jump and hard landing but having a whoop section right after was possibly the worst case scenario for this...

That was one hell of a big jump and hard landing but having a whoop section right after was possibly the worst case scenario for this to happen throwing him around like a pogo stick. Hope his test results come back with some good news but damn that hit he took to the leg was pretty nasty. 

Far from worst case.  He could have been ejected over another long sender or rhythm section.  Lucky to be alive frankly.

Also not the best case scenario either.

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KurtJ99 wrote:
The clip looks relatively intact. I would surmise that if you could somehow assemble the shock with it halfway installed, pressurize it to 165psi and it...

The clip looks relatively intact. I would surmise that if you could somehow assemble the shock with it halfway installed, pressurize it to 165psi and it doesn't blow up in practice or the heat, it would shear the clip and it wouldn't be complete. 

I'm thinking their are other pieces like the casting on the bottom of the shock that may have failed to enable that spectacular picture. Those clips are small but used worldwide in billions of high pressure applications. 

I am thinking you have never taken a shock apart. 

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4/22/2024 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 12:57pm

Ken described the shock body being grenaded. Clip looks too big to be reservoir.

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4/22/2024 12:51pm

1 day ago

Can see the circlip from the shock in this picture MXA posted 

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4/22/2024 12:57pm

Michael  

 

Kenny stated the shock had 3 hours on it, which is 6 night shows,  what would be the service life of these in a team like HEP, and would a full factory effort be any more rigid on replacing parts, 

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4/22/2024 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 1:13pm

When the shock "blew" was on first hit of the landing of the triple - One can see the oil burning off on the exhaust - That "hit" must have increased the oil pressure passed containment. Why is what HEP has to figure out. Volumes? Pressure? Valves? Component strength - Not hard for hydraulic pressure to break stuff when pushed passed its constraints . That oil came from the bottom of the shock - Meaning the oil seal , cap "thingy" failed enough to let that oil spill all over the hot pipe. 

This picture of the C clip was further down the woops - Which was a fair amount of time after the shock lost quite al lot of oil and gas and went up in smoke  -  So that would have left the C clip free or not locked or held in place by the oil and gas pressure - Oil and gas pressure locks "the thingy" in place - once that lock is gone and the shock is still in full function it is easy to understand that it would no longer function as supposed and it would leave the conversation. 

2c

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4/22/2024 1:19pm

I’d love to see a pic of the shock body. It Could have cracked causing the clip to blow out. 

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4/22/2024 1:22pm
MxAddic wrote:

Ken described the shock body being grenaded. Clip looks too big to be reservoir.

So why don't you get your digital calipers out and measure the circlip in the picture and then adjust it to scale and then you will know. Blush

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It's not unreasonable to think that hydraulic pressure caused the shock body to crack or that there was a mechanical failure of the shaft bushing which caused extreme pressure on the shock body and caused it to grenade.  Just a slight bend in the shock shaft could have caused a failure like this.  Kenny is lucky it happened where it did versus an on-off section or trying to triple triple a rhythm section.  That was an ugly failure.

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scott_nz wrote:
Michael     Kenny stated the shock had 3 hours on it, which is 6 night shows,  what would be the service life of these in a...

Michael  

 

Kenny stated the shock had 3 hours on it, which is 6 night shows,  what would be the service life of these in a team like HEP, and would a full factory effort be any more rigid on replacing parts, 

Not 3 hours on the service of the shock but 3 hours on the actual shock since components were brand new.

A full day of Supercross puts about 1.2 hours on the bike if memory serves me correct.

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4/22/2024 1:53pm Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 1:54pm
Magoofan wrote:
Suzuki sucks....  get him off that vintage bike!!!   (Extreme sarchasm alert) ;)   Amazing what photograph catches isn't it?   Who the hell said it...

Suzuki sucks....  get him off that vintage bike!!!

 

(Extreme sarchasm alert) Wink

 

Amazing what photograph catches isn't it?

 

Who the hell said it was talcum powder in another thread....   good grief. 

 

The amount of people that completely missed that joke is astonishing. Also, we all really know what caused this…

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4/22/2024 2:33pm

Didn't Shane have a shock failure as well, maybe last year?

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4/22/2024 2:40pm

Didn't Shane have a shock failure as well, maybe last year?

Same race

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