Forkner - “bad news for them”

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4/8/2024 2:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/8/2024 2:48pm
Rosso391 wrote:
"What choice do you have?" How about a 2 year deal choice...its not that hard. Then base the next contract off of results. Its very standard...

"What choice do you have?" How about a 2 year deal choice...its not that hard. Then base the next contract off of results. Its very standard. I'm guessing whoever creates these types of contracts is someone at Kawasaki Corp. And whoever that is...needs to be fired.

who else are you going after that has race-winning potential? Only very few elite guys. These two did not work out like expected but still badass...

who else are you going after that has race-winning potential? Only very few elite guys. These two did not work out like expected but still badass on bikes and deserve everything they have gotten. 

Rosso391 wrote:
Both of them with nearly identical track records. Constantly crashing and never reaching true potential. Harsh to hear, but neither of them have earned their contracts...

Both of them with nearly identical track records. Constantly crashing and never reaching true potential. Harsh to hear, but neither of them have earned their contracts for 3-4 years now..

Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence or non-existence of injury clauses and then we can have an educated discussion about whether those contracts were "earned".

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4/8/2024 2:30pm
Boggins wrote:
AF has had a very tough time the past 2.5 yrs with injuries / crashes.  Sounds like he has some fire in his belly, I hope...

AF has had a very tough time the past 2.5 yrs with injuries / crashes.  Sounds like he has some fire in his belly, I hope he heals up strong and comes back to win a 250 title.

More like since 2019 

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4/8/2024 2:59pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence...

Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence or non-existence of injury clauses and then we can have an educated discussion about whether those contracts were "earned".

No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one thing. But when you crash by yourself, get injured and can't ride..that's on the rider.

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4/8/2024 3:09pm
Rosso391 wrote:
Contract guarantees are a nightmare for the company offering them. It literally breeds the "I'm protected from everything" mentality. Crash or not, I have a ride...

Contract guarantees are a nightmare for the company offering them. It literally breeds the "I'm protected from everything" mentality. Crash or not, I have a ride this year, next year, and the following. Its a terrible business practice when this sport is only as good as your last race. 

Flatliner wrote:

Fair, but when you're trying to sign the hot commodity, what choice do you have?  All manufactures would have to agree, which would never happen.

Rosso391 wrote:
"What choice do you have?" How about a 2 year deal choice...its not that hard. Then base the next contract off of results. Its very standard...

"What choice do you have?" How about a 2 year deal choice...its not that hard. Then base the next contract off of results. Its very standard. I'm guessing whoever creates these types of contracts is someone at Kawasaki Corp. And whoever that is...needs to be fired.

They're doing the longer deals for a couple of reasons. One is the fact that said rider will refuse to sign with them if they don't. Most riders want job security. Second, and related to the first, the teams want to lock in the rider themselves to stop other teams poaching them and to provide stability by not having to worry about renegotiating every five seconds, or even every couple of years. Bare in mind all of the teams will have clauses that allow them to jettison the rider if need be. 

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4/8/2024 3:24pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence...

Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence or non-existence of injury clauses and then we can have an educated discussion about whether those contracts were "earned".

Rosso391 wrote:
No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one...

No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one thing. But when you crash by yourself, get injured and can't ride..that's on the rider.

How can you say whether they have earned their rides when you have no clue about the terms of their contracts? Both of them brought a decent amount of attention and exposure to the team and its sponsors, so they do have value. Whether that value is $5 or $5m is debatable, but without any information at all how can you say who has or hasn't "earned" their ride?

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4/8/2024 3:26pm
Rosso391 wrote:
No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one...

No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one thing. But when you crash by yourself, get injured and can't ride..that's on the rider.

If you went to work for your boss and dropped a steel plate on your foot would you pay to have it fixed yourself and go without income?

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4/8/2024 3:39pm
Rosso391 wrote:
Both of them with nearly identical track records. Constantly crashing and never reaching true potential. Harsh to hear, but neither of them have earned their contracts...

Both of them with nearly identical track records. Constantly crashing and never reaching true potential. Harsh to hear, but neither of them have earned their contracts for 3-4 years now..

I'd bet both of them have signed new contracts in the last 3-4 years.

Especially AC, I bet he's been on 2 year deals his whole 450 career, so at least 2 years ago Kawi must have thought he was worth it.

You've got pretty harsh criticism for a guy like AC who won a freakin' National Title, and got 2nd place in another one.  Ain't very many guys on the grid that have done that.  

Who would you have put in his place the last 3-4 years since you know more than Kawi?

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4/8/2024 5:19pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence...

Sorry I may not have given you enough credit. Why don't you share with us the salary and bonus structure of their contacts plus the existence or non-existence of injury clauses and then we can have an educated discussion about whether those contracts were "earned".

Rosso391 wrote:
No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one...

No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one thing. But when you crash by yourself, get injured and can't ride..that's on the rider.

in a sense ur right ,   any other sport yea they would be benched or traded but who would be credible to take their rides as a replacement 🤔

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4/8/2024 5:28pm
zehn wrote:

Pretty bold claims. He did look very good before he crashed, I’ll give him that. Maybe not the best thing to put on Instagram but whatever 

Ya, he looks fantastic. And riders need to be full of themselves anyways. But he hasn't finished a season since... when? I dont even know. Part of racing is finishing unfortunately. He has speed, I'll give him that.

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4/8/2024 6:48pm

That's a pretty stark contrast from the video he posted shortly after his crash. He might need to make and believe those statements himself to make a solid comeback. I hope he gets completely recovered and makes a strong return. 

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4/8/2024 7:09pm
YZ324 wrote:
That's a pretty stark contrast from the video he posted shortly after his crash. He might need to make and believe those statements himself to make...

That's a pretty stark contrast from the video he posted shortly after his crash. He might need to make and believe those statements himself to make a solid comeback. I hope he gets completely recovered and makes a strong return. 

Dudes off a perc. Someone should take away his phone til he gets off the pain meds 

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4/8/2024 8:07pm
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Dude needs to learn to shut up.

100000000% agree not because I don't like him, but because that's his biggest weakness.

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4/9/2024 3:46am

Somebody needs to get a pool going as to how many outdoor rounds before he destroys himself in some spectacular fashion. 

(Of his own doing)

 

He seriously needs one of his hangerons to have the stones to tell him not to post shit like that. 

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4/9/2024 6:45am

As per most of society at this point I think he'd probably benefit from not worrying about social media... It seems Zach Osborne went from a good rider/occasional winner, to first time champ and then later multi-time champ around about the time he stated that he was going to start ignoring it. Not saying it was because of that of course, obviously not. But at the same time every little thing helps, especially at the elite level. The guy is talented as all hell but he needs to stay on 2 wheels. And that's just the end of it. 

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4/9/2024 8:22am

It's kind of disappointing to see the post from AF. Such an incredible contrast in maturity between Forkner and another rider who has had serious health issues for much of his career: AC9. It seems as if Forkner has simply never grown up (and perhaps some of the people around him, as well).

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4/9/2024 9:28am

Here I am, 26 years old, reading a thread with a bunch of grown ass men arguing about Forkner, Deegan, and some Instagram banter. What has social media come to

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4/9/2024 9:37am
Rosso391 wrote:
No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one...

No. TO ME they haven't earned their rides because they can't stay healthy and get decent results. Odd crashes or someone crashing into you is one thing. But when you crash by yourself, get injured and can't ride..that's on the rider.

MxAddic wrote:
If you went to work for your boss and dropped a steel plate on your foot would you pay to have it fixed yourself and go...

If you went to work for your boss and dropped a steel plate on your foot would you pay to have it fixed yourself and go without income?

Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything about the real world? Would you just let your foot stay fkd up just to make your $15/ hour, ruin your own health and well being because of it? Just stop typing dude..

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4/9/2024 9:52am
Rosso391 wrote:
Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything...

Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything about the real world? Would you just let your foot stay fkd up just to make your $15/ hour, ruin your own health and well being because of it? Just stop typing dude..

Go delete some more posts clown. Just like you had to do after I put you in your place yesterday. Too  bad you had to come back immediately and make another post.

Keep it up and you will be deleting some more today. Maybe even this very one.

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4/9/2024 9:54am
Rosso391 wrote:
Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything...

Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything about the real world? Would you just let your foot stay fkd up just to make your $15/ hour, ruin your own health and well being because of it? Just stop typing dude..

MxAddic wrote:
Go delete some more posts clown. Just like you had to do after I put you in your place yesterday. Too  bad you had to come...

Go delete some more posts clown. Just like you had to do after I put you in your place yesterday. Too  bad you had to come back immediately and make another post.

Keep it up and you will be deleting some more today. Maybe even this very one.

Oh, the irony this post. 

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4/9/2024 10:11am

So Forkner is back to his usual self again and now people are shocked about how he act and speaks?…

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4/9/2024 12:24pm

Oh, the irony this post. 

The only irony here is the same clowns keep doing it over claiming I do it. LMAO!

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4/9/2024 12:28pm

Oh, the irony this post. 

MxAddic wrote:

The only irony here is the same clowns keep doing it over claiming I do it. LMAO!

You really need to stop throwing around insults like clown and vitard, have some self-awareness man.

By the way you deleted a post today.

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4/9/2024 12:30pm

Oh, the irony this post. 

MxAddic wrote:

The only irony here is the same clowns keep doing it over claiming I do it. LMAO!

GrapeApe wrote:

You really need to stop throwing around insults like clown and vitard, have some self-awareness man.

By the way you deleted a post today.

ditto

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4/9/2024 12:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/9/2024 12:38pm
GrapeApe wrote:

You really need to stop throwing around insults like clown and vitard, have some self-awareness man.

By the way you deleted a post today.

Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan threw a tantrum and kicked his bike over. DonO called me inhuman for posting a video even though it ended up being everywhere.

Never again I said after the bullshit I got for trying to be a nice guy. You are forever trying to twist everything I do.

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4/9/2024 12:39pm
GrapeApe wrote:

You really need to stop throwing around insults like clown and vitard, have some self-awareness man.

By the way you deleted a post today.

MxAddic wrote:
Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan...

Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan threw a tantrum and kicked his bike over. DonO called me inhuman for posting a video even though it ended up being everywhere.

Never again I said after the bullshit I got for trying to be a nice guy. You are forever trying to twist everything I do.

wah wah wah. You delete shit alllll the time. 

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4/9/2024 12:46pm
Rosso391 wrote:
Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything...

Why am I even responding.... Yes child, you get it fixed. What do you think insurance is for? How about workman's comp? Do you know anything about the real world? Would you just let your foot stay fkd up just to make your $15/ hour, ruin your own health and well being because of it? Just stop typing dude..

MxAddic wrote:
Go delete some more posts clown. Just like you had to do after I put you in your place yesterday. Too  bad you had to come...

Go delete some more posts clown. Just like you had to do after I put you in your place yesterday. Too  bad you had to come back immediately and make another post.

Keep it up and you will be deleting some more today. Maybe even this very one.

You need to stop BRO. I deleted mine because I didn't need ML to ban me for swearing at a kid on a forum. You've put exactly ZERO people in their place on here.

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4/9/2024 12:53pm
GrapeApe wrote:

You really need to stop throwing around insults like clown and vitard, have some self-awareness man.

By the way you deleted a post today.

MxAddic wrote:
Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan...

Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan threw a tantrum and kicked his bike over. DonO called me inhuman for posting a video even though it ended up being everywhere.

Never again I said after the bullshit I got for trying to be a nice guy. You are forever trying to twist everything I do.

Focus more on the first sentence of my post

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GrapeApe wrote:

You really need to stop throwing around insults like clown and vitard, have some self-awareness man.

By the way you deleted a post today.

MxAddic wrote:
Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan...

Because it was redundant. Not because I quoted someone and got owned. The last time I deleted a post that had been quoted was when Deegan threw a tantrum and kicked his bike over. DonO called me inhuman for posting a video even though it ended up being everywhere.

Never again I said after the bullshit I got for trying to be a nice guy. You are forever trying to twist everything I do.

GrapeApe wrote:

Focus more on the first sentence of my post

Comprehension is not his strong suit. 

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