Rogan joins the Hamas genocide bandwagon

I'll get out of the way

Still think you are being played.

There is always something behind a Military invasion, and it's usually all about the  Money

Talking points these days are for clicks. this as well

Again, it's not AI manipulated.  It's okay to be critical of Israel.

We may not always agree on everything, but count this as one that we do. 

Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of anti-semites who try to camouflage their hatred by attacking Israel instead of using their preferred “Jew” language, but those are fairly easy to ferret out. 

The country of Israel is no different than any other country and makes missteps, both intentional and unintentional, that deserve to be criticized. The crazy thing is that we’ve elevated Israel to a level that is higher than that of just another country. Most states have passed laws that specifically punish businesses that choose not to do business with Israel or its occupied territories.  I can’t think of too many/any other countries who are elevated to a status like that, where you are basically forced to do business with them if they desire. 

I am strongly against antisemitism, and any sort of discrimination against people of Jewish faith. But I am also strongly against treating the country of Israel as if it is somehow exempt from the laws of humanity because of the fact that it is primarily dominated by Jewish people running its government. The government of Israel needs to behave like any decent government, and not expect everyone to simply turn a blind eye to whatever it chooses to do. 


 

What is the number of rockets shot indiscriminately fired over the fence, and how many people must die before enough is enough?

Agreed, APKMAN99

Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism is a political ideology, not a race or religion. 
Most ultra-Orthodox Jews are against Zionism and do not recognize the modern State of Israel

It's the right-wing politicians with no connection to the Middle East or Judaism that accuses people of being anti semitic for opposing the murder of innocent Palestinians, a Semitic people.
 

genocide is the new word that is being used so much its losing its relevance, like transphobe and racist, 

Perhaps you should read up on Israel and understand how Arabs and Muslims live in Israel, share the same rights, serve in the Israeli government and judicial system, and are able to practice their religion. 

The group that wants to murder people for having the wrong religion is called Hamas and it's in Gaza. 

And just for fun

They need Larry David over there to neutralize things..... 

Israel was the victim of arguably the most atrocious terrorist attack in recorded history. Not the amount of deaths of 9/11, but going door to door, raping women, beheading babies, slaughtering everyone, then taking multiple hostages to no doubt rape and torture, can be argued is worse, even with a lower death toll.

Israel has to respond to that. Nobody disagrees there. But how? Ground invasion is another Vietnam. Hamas militants pose as civilians. “I’m not sure where Hamas is.” Hamas then of course ambushes Israel constantly as their movements are tracked and then goes and hides behind civilians again. So Israel decided that was out.

Now you see Hamas hiding behind civilians. Hospitals. Schools. Etc. Their terrorists and terrorist infrastructure are all in those places. Densely populated. 2.5 million people. Israel decides the best option is targeted bombing campaigns. Last count I saw, roughly 30 thousand civilians have died. That is extremely sad. No question. Relative to the entire operation Israel is trying to carry out, given the situation, is that a large number? I truly do not know. Few in the world actually do. Have they been perfect? Doubtful. It’s rare to make every correct decision.

While the polling can of course be very spotty, 71% of Palestinians supported the October 7th attack. At that point, who is really a civilian? Genuine question to ask. It is also important to note that, per international law, when you hide your military behind civilians, and those civilians are killed by the attacking military, it’s actually you who committed the war crimes. Not them.

We have truly seen the Political Horseshoe Theory in full effect here. The far right and the far left have shown themselves to be vile anti-Semites. It is all an extremely sad situation. All we can do from here is hope the best for all the truly innocent people on both sides, and hope the exact opposite for all of the truly horrible people.

I'm not simping for Hamas or even Palestinians

It sure sounded like you were, so I suppose I misunderstood. 

Now i'm just stirring the pot but well worth the watch if you have time.

Rogan smokes too much weed and gets hit in the head often..entertaining guy but not a genius.

Rogan gets a lot wrong often but he's still right to be skeptical of Israel 
 

@inflammable i read your Robert Spencer article, I edited out the Owen Jones clips because he is an absolute tool. His interview with the IDF soldier was good though.

For the crowd that is critical of Israel conduct.

How would you (if you were Israel) manage the Hamas/Palestinian problem?

Answer: have a drum circle 

Ask a Rabbi
 

The Zionists want to own and control the entire globe. And have acquired most its Real Estate. Its centuries in the planning. New York, London, Antwerp, Sydney, Zurich…, man that list goes on, are predominantly owned by Jewish investors. 
Every major Porn website (previously magazine media) is/was Jewish owned. Banking. Diamonds. Weapons manufacturing. They are the heads of it all. 
The persecuted sure know how to persecute. 
Its not right or wrong. No ones hands are clean, but its a Goliath v David battle where lots of innocent people are ripped to pieces.
God and Money. Makes people do wicked things.  

Certainly wouldn’t continue to bomb women and children indiscriminately..

Hamas is a result of dozens of years of abuse. Israel has controlled all the electricity, ports of entry and water for Gaza for many years. It is essentially the largest open air prison in the world. 

 If I’m a young person in Gaza whose parents and family have been killed by bombings, there’s no food and no option to leave, why wouldn’t I join Hamas? What’s my other option? 

Never in a million years would I have thought that I would have ended up with the sons-in-laws that I have.  One is Jewish, though not very religious and not a blind supporter of the government of Israel.  The other is an American born, ethnically Arab whose family was ousted from their homeland in Palestine when the state of Israel was founded, and the family lost everything that they had worked for generations to build.  

I am grateful that they are both very smart, intelligent young men who both denounce the actions of Hamas and also the actions of indiscriminate bombings by Israel that occur and are swept away as 'collateral damage'.  I've learned a lot from these two young men, much more than I ever thought I would.  I wish that there were more like them in this world.  

There's more than just the small clip.  He also is reacting to an Israeli official being questioned about bombing the Jabalia refugee camp.  The Israelis suspected that a Hamas Commander may have been in the camp, and despite the fact that the vast majority of people in the camp were unarmed, starving, homeless refugees, the Israelis bombed them to possibly take out one man. And Rogan was reacting to the Israeli official not wanting to confirm whether they were successful in actually killing the Hamas Commander.  He, correctly in my mind, interpreted it not as the people being 'collateral damage', but known targets who were intended to be killed in order to potentially get one person.  

Others may disagree.  

indiscriminately…?

Well, that’s an interesting way of looking at it. 

Where is Hamas hiding? Under what locations and who’s putting civilians in harms way?

After October 7th, your use of “indiscriminately” comes from an extrovert sided view of this problem. 

Don’t start none, won’t be none. 

Totally agree. Joe is not perfect but is wearing out his welcome a bit lately. I think he is basically good but a bit ignorant. Of course we all could be described that way but like you said he does have a responsibility because of his sphere of influence. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The Israeli military’s bombing campaign in Gaza used a previously undisclosed AI-powered database that at one stage identified 37,000 potential targets based on their apparent links to Hamas, according to intelligence sources involved in the war.

In addition to talking about their use of the AI system, called Lavender, the intelligence sources claim that Israeli military officials permitted large numbers of Palestinian civilians to be killed, particularly during the early weeks and months of the conflict.

Their unusually candid testimony provides a rare glimpse into the first-hand experiences of Israeli intelligence officials who have been using machine-learning systems to help identify targets during the six-month war.

I'm looking forward to Gaza being ethnically cleansed and investing in some prime beach front property. 

that episode was amazing