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Man....with Justin Cooper setting the best qualifying time, I had this image all ready to go hopin he was gonna win last night.
Webb's results from his first four races in the 450 SX class:
10-14-4-8
He got two podiums in his first two years in the class (3rd both times).
He didn't win a race until his third year, and that's the year he won his first title.
Maybe wait a few years and see how it all turns out. He's sitting 8 points out of the lead with 13 races to go. That's not exactly a disaster.
RC was a pretty good rider( 4th all-time 250/450SX wins) and it took him 16 races before he got a podium in 250/450SX . So Jett is already way ahead of RC there. I think there is more to show that Jett will end up being an all time great rider as long as he stays healthy, than there is to show that he will only do well outdoors.
It's awesome to see Anderson riding so well. Last night he looked really good. And it was funny to see Jett line up next to Jason in every main. I think it was all of them. I think Jett was doing that to show he was not rattled by last week. But to me it looked like he was trying too hard to show it did not bother him. I think that he may have had some worry in the back of his mind. Or maybe wanted to get any " payback" out of the way as soon as possible. This season is shaping up to be a great one for people who like not knowing who the winner will be before the gate drops. And AP still with the red plate.
Nobody expected it would.
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You must be a Jett fanboi. *sarcasm alert since no one can pick up on it anymore apparently *
Most impressive ride of the night last night was in moto3, Eli Fucking Tomac. Track was the most beat up, technical, and just completely trashed. He took it home like the boss he is. All we have heard from the bois is "Jett has another gear". In the outdoors going 22-0, that's hard to argue. But in the SX race last night he got owned by Eli. When he tried to push it to that level, he crashed. Eli took that moto 3 home like a legend. And Webb did what Webb does to win championships. SX is just a different animal. That too is hard to argue. I still think Jett is a top 3 for the title this year and it will come down to mistakes made, not who is the fastest. Advantage Cooper Webb. 4 races in, 4 different winners. Its going to be a great season.
I mean if Jett wants to be Cooper Webb and win 20+ races and 2 championships that's fine, it's a great career. But it's nowhere close to McGrath, Carmichael, RV, etc. which is where Jett clearly wants to be
Also as a rookie Webb was on arguably the worst bike while going up against Dungey and Tomac. And he still had a podium in his first 5 races, which will be the same as Jett if the crybaby misses the podium again in Detroit
Who was missing from MX other than Tomac? Chase was there until he wasn’t. Didn’t Tomac and Sexton dominate the year before? He beat Kenny when he showed up, Webb has never been a 450 outdoor guy so who was missing?
Gee, might be because RC moved up after only 2 years in the 125 class instead of 3 like Jett. Probably had something to do with having a perfect SX season on 125s in 1998, something Jett never accomplished either
RC has said many times if he could change one thing about his career he would've stayed down on 125s 1 more year in Supercross
Roczen couldn't sniff Tomac in 2022 outdoors but he outqualified Jett and hounded him the entire race. Sexton had a serious concussion and was too busy winning an SX title to test for outdoors nonstop like Jett was doing
Anderson and Barcia were both injured and missed the start of the season. Roczen only did 1 race. Webb only raced 4 rounds. Tomac wasn't there at all, etc. It was a depleted field and you know it
Hey Nate dawg,Jett did 4 season's in smallbore Sx to RCS 2
I'm far from a Jett fan but his outdoor rookie 450 season was the best of any rookie ever, regardless of who lined up.
Statistically there's no argument about that. But if the field had been healthy I don't think that happens, and he would've had a tough time just winning the title over a healthy Tomac
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Anderson? The guy who has won 1 450 overall, that guy😂😂😂😂
I would give Jett's perfect outdoor season a less than 1% chance with a healthy Eli in the field.
You know, I bet that Jett agrees with you on his results not being that great. If you take away the perfect outdoor season from Jett, what else has he done that would put such high expectations on him that winning his first race in the class, ( like You said outdoors is different) having a bad race in the mud, finishing 4th after coming from last, then being less than a lap from finishing second overall and in that main. Still being only 8 points out of the lead. Remove that perfect outdoor season like you claim shouldn't matter. And how is what he has done , not impressive in anyway?
I think its too early in Jett's racing to say if he will be an all timer in the record books when he is done racing. I would lean towards him being on the list. But only time will tell. And it appears like You have high expectations for him as well. Otherwise even comparing him to RC nevermind having to not count RC's first 2 years in the class to level out the stats in Your mind, tells me You feel like Jett is on his way.
I think that we still have not seen enough of Jett in SX to say he's not going to win a lot. And that when Jett is all done, he will reflect back at this time and say how it helped him out in the long run.
I think this thread has a better shot at 72 pages than Jett has at 72 wins
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Dude posts something that “Funny but True” and we don’t like it? Damn, y’all need to laugh a bit more.
Just curious, how much of of his lackluster first two years would you attribute to him being on a sub-par machine? (it seems all their riders improved once they got on another bike or the one that Star developed.)
One has to wonder what his record would look like if he'd had better equipment from day one.
Even if he came in second in the series to Tomac, that would still have been one of the best rookie seasons . If he got second at every round and Tomac was perfect. What other rookie's have been on the podium every round? and finished no worse than second ? And how is being on that list not Impressive? Really being impressive is subjective and only an opinion anyway.
Who is Your favorite rider and what have they done to impress You?
Yes, I mean the guy who finished 3rd in the 2022 outdoor title...
Not a single rider who finished top 5 in 2022 was healthy for all of 2023...Jett was basically handed the title on a silver platter
Lol, did you just start watching the sport last year or something?? Carmichael and Dungey both dominated the outdoor title as rookies. RC won 9/12 overalls and Dungey won 10/12. And they didn't need the previous top 5 guys to get injured to do it
Idk, 2010 outdoors was pretty weak IMO
I will say Stew did show up at Dilla and got beat pretty good by RD
When did I ever say his outdoor season wasn't impressive?? I said it shouldn't keep being brought up regarding his expectations for Supercross because SX is a whole different animal, as Cooper Webb's career has clearly demonstrated
I think Jett got "72 wins" mixed up with that myth about "72 virgins"....
LOL, If you read my post again You will see that I also ask how being listed with those other racers is not impressive. And I was not implying he was the only racer to ever do anything. I was showing You it would still be one of the all time great rookie seasons.
You could also argue that RC and Dungey had it easy in their rookie seasons. RC with the past seasons champ riding a Farewell tour with his #1 plate. Windham having finished 8th the year before , Laroco and others being close to retiring.
Dungey had Metcalf second a rider who only won a single national his entire career, Short 3rd who never won a 450 national and only a handful of small bore nationals.
You could argue they both had weak or depleted classes. But they were healthy, they raced everybody who showed up in their class. I'm not going to put an asterisk on either of those seasons. Sometimes a racer can be so good that he makes his competition look weak. Like RC dominating made everybody else look slow.
But that still doesn't take away from Jett being on a very short list of all time great racers. And if that is not impressive You have very high expectations for Jett.
RC had very stiff competition in 2000, silly to pretend he didn’t. Seb was legit.
And that Kawi was a turd
Again, I know my writing sucks and I can word things a bit wordy and hard to understand.
I said that You keep saying his outdoors shouldn't count. And NOT counting that, what makes You think that he is so good that his results this year are not impressive ? That You must expect him to be doing much better than he has for some reason, otherwise what he has done so far would be what I consider an impressive start to the season. Again , taking away his past 450 finishes.
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