The homeless problem is about to get way worse.

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You think my thoughts about closing our borders and having the military guard them, and preventing violent criminals and drug addict mothers from destroying more children's...

You think my thoughts about closing our borders and having the military guard them, and preventing violent criminals and drug addict mothers from destroying more children's lives are "Pretty Dark" and "Crimes against humanity"?   I'm not even sure how to respond to that.  Must be my boomer mentality of actually trying to solve a problem so my grandkids and their kids have a better world to live in. 

kbsci wrote:

You proposed sterilizing people as punishment.

ARM670 wrote:
Choices have consequences. Why should my tax dollars go to pay someone to continue to have kids when they wont take care of them? Why should...

Choices have consequences. Why should my tax dollars go to pay someone to continue to have kids when they wont take care of them? Why should my taxes pay for "crackhead Mary" to just keep breeding? If you OD 2 times you should be fixed. If you are on Welfare and have 2 kids you should be fixed. If you can prove that you can be a productive member of society then you can get it reversed (at your expense). The kids that are born into this mess are most of the time are destine to repeat the failures of their parents. The only way to stop it is to stop it. It's past time to stop being a Nation of bleeding hearts and start doing what needs to be done. The boarder is another example of its just time to do the right thing to shut it down. No one is against legal immigration but why do we allow illegals? We are letting the Politicians destroy this country. 

ayyyy buddy, might want to look into reversal success rates. Dont disagree with what you wrote except for that part.

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1/17/2024 2:19pm
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In all seriousness,  I’m curious where you stand. 

I have a preference for birth control. I like the idea of giving women IUDs, with their consent, instead of sterilizing them. I think they should be free to anyone who wants one, no questions asked. They’re the easiest way to not get pregnant. 

On abortion, I think if treated with a pill before you can even see that it’s anything more than a period, it’s fine. I think access to those pills should be basically effortless for that reason. Over the counter, no doctor, no age requirement. 

I think after that it’s a lot more like murder than my female friends want to hear about. I’m not sure why it’s talked about as nonchalantly as it is.

That said, if someone doesn’t want to have a baby, I think they should be able to abort it up until the point when it’s medically viable outside the womb. I think that’s about 24 weeks (6 months). I don’t feel good about that, but I think if it couldn’t survive despite a caring mom’s best efforts, then it’s still mom’s decision to make.

TLDR: If a child is unwanted and wouldn’t survive if born at a particular moment, then it shouldn’t have to be born. 

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1/17/2024 2:42pm
Chance1216 wrote:

In all seriousness,  I’m curious where you stand. 

kbsci wrote:
I have a preference for birth control. I like the idea of giving women IUDs, with their consent, instead of sterilizing them. I think they should...

I have a preference for birth control. I like the idea of giving women IUDs, with their consent, instead of sterilizing them. I think they should be free to anyone who wants one, no questions asked. They’re the easiest way to not get pregnant. 

On abortion, I think if treated with a pill before you can even see that it’s anything more than a period, it’s fine. I think access to those pills should be basically effortless for that reason. Over the counter, no doctor, no age requirement. 

I think after that it’s a lot more like murder than my female friends want to hear about. I’m not sure why it’s talked about as nonchalantly as it is.

That said, if someone doesn’t want to have a baby, I think they should be able to abort it up until the point when it’s medically viable outside the womb. I think that’s about 24 weeks (6 months). I don’t feel good about that, but I think if it couldn’t survive despite a caring mom’s best efforts, then it’s still mom’s decision to make.

TLDR: If a child is unwanted and wouldn’t survive if born at a particular moment, then it shouldn’t have to be born. 

How I view terminating a pregnancy. You should be able to terminate a pregnancy while it's a fetus, at some point the fetus becomes a baby. I'm against terminating a baby. However if the woman's life is in danger, I'll prioritize her life above the baby IF I have to choose. We all need to come to some consensus of when a fetus becomes a baby. Over 80% of the population agrees with me maybe explained differently but same concept.

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1/17/2024 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2024 2:54pm

You wouldn't win that contest either.

For the right price, of course I would. Only a fool would say no without knowing a number first.

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Welcome back. 

Thanks, dude.

As with the last return, this one will most likely be short lived. Every since Newman passed on this place has become a pretty dense echo chamber of ignorance and I've found life to be much more rewarding by going out and trying to fix the problems I see in the world rather than coming to a motocross forum to debate what should be done and never actually doing anything.

Maybe I'll do another quick, "ask a libtard", thread before I bounce.

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1/17/2024 5:18pm

You wouldn't win that contest either.

For the right price, of course I would. Only a fool would say no without knowing a number first.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Welcome back. 

Thanks, dude. As with the last return, this one will most likely be short lived. Every since Newman passed on this place has become a pretty...

Thanks, dude.

As with the last return, this one will most likely be short lived. Every since Newman passed on this place has become a pretty dense echo chamber of ignorance and I've found life to be much more rewarding by going out and trying to fix the problems I see in the world rather than coming to a motocross forum to debate what should be done and never actually doing anything.

Maybe I'll do another quick, "ask a libtard", thread before I bounce.

Ohhh...thank you with your presence.  Please explain to us how you have been living your life by fixing problems.

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1/17/2024 5:47pm
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Nitwits, everyone works for compensation. You might get a paycheck, they might get housing. You want the compensation? This is the work we have available to...

Nitwits, everyone works for compensation. You might get a paycheck, they might get housing. You want the compensation? This is the work we have available to do to get that compensation. What? You want me to work? that's SLAVERY!

Go home little troll, just go home.

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Curl up in your safe place because, 

DISAGWEEEING IS WONG!!  I’M MELTING!!


 

 

It's pretty fun to watch the two of you jerk each other off over the internet.
 

Yet here you are between them with your mouth open. 

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There is not a homeless problem, it's a politician problem.   Plenty of solutions to get people off the streets, but that doesn't make sense for...

There is not a homeless problem, it's a politician problem.  

Plenty of solutions to get people off the streets, but that doesn't make sense for the politicians.

 

 

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Ohhh...thank you with your presence.  Please explain to us how you have been living your life by fixing problems.

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1/17/2024 7:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2024 7:01pm
mvd61 wrote:

Yet here you are between them with your mouth open. 

As stated before, for the right price, I might be down.

I'd need to see the money in the account of a third party first... and a clean bill of health from all parties involved of course.

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Ohhh...thank you with your presence.  Please explain to us how you have been living your life by fixing problems.

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You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this.

Also, you stated your wife works in this industry and you volunteer in this industry. Are your views based on your's and your wife's experiences? And what is the success rate of the organization she works with? Is her program modeled after other facilities or are other facilities modeled after her facility?

TM

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1/17/2024 7:34pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2024 7:35pm
ToolMaker wrote:
You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this. Also, you stated your wife works in...

You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this.

Also, you stated your wife works in this industry and you volunteer in this industry. Are your views based on your's and your wife's experiences? And what is the success rate of the organization she works with? Is her program modeled after other facilities or are other facilities modeled after her facility?

TM

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but, if you are genuinely interested understanding more about the problems that cause homelessness, the demographics of said homeless, and how to fix them, I highly suggest volunteering at a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, a battered women's shelter, a foster youth home, etc. Everyone I've ever encountered in all of those places, in addition to being amazing people doing the lords work, will fill you in on all that stuff and it'll give you some great one on one experience with the unhoused to help put a face to all the people everyone in here wants to punish into success. I'd recommend making it a regular occurrence but even one time does a pretty amazing job putting a human face to a problem most of us usually only experience in a negative way.  

As per my wife (and a lot of other people in our social circles), she's done the whole gamut of work across many social service fields and my views are based on our collective experiences. Safe to say, given how large our social circles are in this area, we're talking hundreds of years of collective experience. Currently though, my wife is the executive director of a rather large, well – privately funded non profit with incredibly deep pockets is probably a more accurate description – where she is in charge of giving out insane amounts of money to organizations who need their support to do all the great things they do. Of which I will say to the, "you can't put out fires with money" folks, you sure as shit can; you just need the right people pointing where that money goes. Also, "putting out fires with money" is basically the fire department.

And lastly as a quick humble brag about my wife, she does an amazing job helping those who need help. I get to meet a lot of the people they've directly helped and it's one of the most rewarding experiences you'll ever have, too see people who've never really had support or financial means transform into glowing versions of themselves because someone cared and had some extra bucks / time to spare.

"People helping people. It's powerful stuff" (a Wedding Crashers reference again for the older fella's). 

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That has to be the most cringey post i've ever read.

 

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ToolMaker wrote:
You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this. Also, you stated your wife works in...

You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this.

Also, you stated your wife works in this industry and you volunteer in this industry. Are your views based on your's and your wife's experiences? And what is the success rate of the organization she works with? Is her program modeled after other facilities or are other facilities modeled after her facility?

TM

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but...

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but, if you are genuinely interested understanding more about the problems that cause homelessness, the demographics of said homeless, and how to fix them, I highly suggest volunteering at a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, a battered women's shelter, a foster youth home, etc. Everyone I've ever encountered in all of those places, in addition to being amazing people doing the lords work, will fill you in on all that stuff and it'll give you some great one on one experience with the unhoused to help put a face to all the people everyone in here wants to punish into success. I'd recommend making it a regular occurrence but even one time does a pretty amazing job putting a human face to a problem most of us usually only experience in a negative way.  

As per my wife (and a lot of other people in our social circles), she's done the whole gamut of work across many social service fields and my views are based on our collective experiences. Safe to say, given how large our social circles are in this area, we're talking hundreds of years of collective experience. Currently though, my wife is the executive director of a rather large, well – privately funded non profit with incredibly deep pockets is probably a more accurate description – where she is in charge of giving out insane amounts of money to organizations who need their support to do all the great things they do. Of which I will say to the, "you can't put out fires with money" folks, you sure as shit can; you just need the right people pointing where that money goes. Also, "putting out fires with money" is basically the fire department.

And lastly as a quick humble brag about my wife, she does an amazing job helping those who need help. I get to meet a lot of the people they've directly helped and it's one of the most rewarding experiences you'll ever have, too see people who've never really had support or financial means transform into glowing versions of themselves because someone cared and had some extra bucks / time to spare.

"People helping people. It's powerful stuff" (a Wedding Crashers reference again for the older fella's). 

Sounds like a great job for your wife, and good for her to be helping others with her work.

But I think the distinct difference in what we are discussing in our little VitalMX world, and why you may see a different view, is your wife works for a privately well funded venture who is out to help others in need.

Most of the opposing viewpoints (including mine) comes from seeing what happens to the issue when the Government tries to solve the problem. 

It sounds like your wife's job is funded by someone who is a very wealthy individual who understands business. Not a Government entity who has no concept of operating a business with a goal to survive. 

That is the problem of the Government employee mindset, they don't have to worry about contributing to the success of the company. They only have to find reasons to justify their job, which is usually by creating more problems to solve (or more rules to follow). 

And behind those Government employees are the politicians who make the policies who benefit another class of business owners who are profiting off the Government policies.

And those business owners are paying the lobbyists, who pay those politicians, to create those policies.

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1/17/2024 8:31pm

That has to be the most cringey post i've ever read.

 

Dare I say, a post solely to call another post cringy, might be the most cringey post I've ever read.

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1/17/2024 8:40pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2024 8:46pm
AZ35 wrote:
Sounds like a great job for your wife, and good for her to be helping others with her work. But I think the distinct difference in...

Sounds like a great job for your wife, and good for her to be helping others with her work.

But I think the distinct difference in what we are discussing in our little VitalMX world, and why you may see a different view, is your wife works for a privately well funded venture who is out to help others in need.

Most of the opposing viewpoints (including mine) comes from seeing what happens to the issue when the Government tries to solve the problem. 

It sounds like your wife's job is funded by someone who is a very wealthy individual who understands business. Not a Government entity who has no concept of operating a business with a goal to survive. 

That is the problem of the Government employee mindset, they don't have to worry about contributing to the success of the company. They only have to find reasons to justify their job, which is usually by creating more problems to solve (or more rules to follow). 

And behind those Government employees are the politicians who make the policies who benefit another class of business owners who are profiting off the Government policies.

And those business owners are paying the lobbyists, who pay those politicians, to create those policies.

Maannny of the people I know in this area actually do work within the government structure, and while I do agree that government programs do have more people who just look at the job as a job vs striving to produce big results than in the non-profit world, this isn't to say there aren't a shit ton of very qualified people working very hard to solve the problems (many of which have business backgrounds). I know a bunch of them!

One of the bigger problems that the government employees face, that non-profits ones don't, are voters which should be a surprise to no one is a huge part of the problem when it comes to producing positive results (in anything government related). My wife has the benefit of seeing a problem / fixing a problem, but government folks have to deal with people who are saying, "castrate them", "lock them up", "they fucked up on their own, why should I help?" which leads to them to vote in a way that doesn't provide the support that a lot of these agencies need. This isn't me saying they're underfunded at all (I know that response is coming), but the voters – and limitations caused by voters – tends to lead people who could do an amazing job away from government positions. Kinda ironic, right? We all scream, "why can't you fix the fucking problem" but then we make it as hard as possible for them to fix the problem and scare away all the people who can. It's like how we joke about there not being any good people running for president, "no good person is dumb enough to do that job".

At the end of the day, the best thing anyone can do about this issue (and literally every other issue) is volunteer, be an extra set of boots on the ground. Put a face to the problem because you'll quickly realize nearly every single one of these people are just you and me who but they had to deal with a whole lot of shit that wasn't in their control or broke them. Not saying they get a hall pass, and I might be a bleeding heart libtard, but I see an old man sleeping on the streets and I can't help but help. What's locking that dude up going to do? What's castrating him going to do? These people are people too. They're our fellow humans, americans, they have families who love them but don't know how to help them. Isn't this the, "what would Jesus do?" that all the christian people talk about in action?

A day isn't much, but if everyone in the U.S. volunteered 1 day a year we'd have roughly 250 million days of volunteering contributed, and just think of how much we could get done with 250 million days of volunteering?!

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1/18/2024 2:01am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2024 2:17am
AZ35 wrote:
Sounds like a great job for your wife, and good for her to be helping others with her work. But I think the distinct difference in...

Sounds like a great job for your wife, and good for her to be helping others with her work.

But I think the distinct difference in what we are discussing in our little VitalMX world, and why you may see a different view, is your wife works for a privately well funded venture who is out to help others in need.

Most of the opposing viewpoints (including mine) comes from seeing what happens to the issue when the Government tries to solve the problem. 

It sounds like your wife's job is funded by someone who is a very wealthy individual who understands business. Not a Government entity who has no concept of operating a business with a goal to survive. 

That is the problem of the Government employee mindset, they don't have to worry about contributing to the success of the company. They only have to find reasons to justify their job, which is usually by creating more problems to solve (or more rules to follow). 

And behind those Government employees are the politicians who make the policies who benefit another class of business owners who are profiting off the Government policies.

And those business owners are paying the lobbyists, who pay those politicians, to create those policies.

Maannny of the people I know in this area actually do work within the government structure, and while I do agree that government programs do have...

Maannny of the people I know in this area actually do work within the government structure, and while I do agree that government programs do have more people who just look at the job as a job vs striving to produce big results than in the non-profit world, this isn't to say there aren't a shit ton of very qualified people working very hard to solve the problems (many of which have business backgrounds). I know a bunch of them!

One of the bigger problems that the government employees face, that non-profits ones don't, are voters which should be a surprise to no one is a huge part of the problem when it comes to producing positive results (in anything government related). My wife has the benefit of seeing a problem / fixing a problem, but government folks have to deal with people who are saying, "castrate them", "lock them up", "they fucked up on their own, why should I help?" which leads to them to vote in a way that doesn't provide the support that a lot of these agencies need. This isn't me saying they're underfunded at all (I know that response is coming), but the voters – and limitations caused by voters – tends to lead people who could do an amazing job away from government positions. Kinda ironic, right? We all scream, "why can't you fix the fucking problem" but then we make it as hard as possible for them to fix the problem and scare away all the people who can. It's like how we joke about there not being any good people running for president, "no good person is dumb enough to do that job".

At the end of the day, the best thing anyone can do about this issue (and literally every other issue) is volunteer, be an extra set of boots on the ground. Put a face to the problem because you'll quickly realize nearly every single one of these people are just you and me who but they had to deal with a whole lot of shit that wasn't in their control or broke them. Not saying they get a hall pass, and I might be a bleeding heart libtard, but I see an old man sleeping on the streets and I can't help but help. What's locking that dude up going to do? What's castrating him going to do? These people are people too. They're our fellow humans, americans, they have families who love them but don't know how to help them. Isn't this the, "what would Jesus do?" that all the christian people talk about in action?

A day isn't much, but if everyone in the U.S. volunteered 1 day a year we'd have roughly 250 million days of volunteering contributed, and just think of how much we could get done with 250 million days of volunteering?!

It sounds like the people you’re  working with are the ones who actually want better lives. Volunteering is commendable. 
The difference between your perspective and, my own is  our personal experiences. 
You’re working in an atmosphere in which those people are very happy and, even thankful for your help. My experiences are limited to the flip side of that coin. Most of my work is in downtown Seattle. The homeless here are very bold. Tapping on car windows at intersections begging for change then, nodding off and, doing the typical smack addict noodle  dance before the traffic light changes. Or, they’re in a state of psychosis from staying awake so many days. Getting pissed because, I offered a bottle of water or, a piece of fruit instead of money. Shooting up right next to my work van in a public parking lot. Littering public places with syringes. You can’t get out of your vehicles in downtown without first looking at the ground to ensure you won’t step on a used needle. It’s that bad. I could go on but, i won’t. These are the people I take issue with. Being homeless is one thing. A majority of people are only a few lacking paychecks away from being destitute. Being a derelict smack  addict is most certainly another. You work  with people who have hope. 

The issue I see is enabling. Not in all cases but, many. A drug addicts only purpose in life is to get more money for drugs and, survive. If they’re able to grab a meal, beg then, go score more drugs, isn’t that cycle part of the problem? Removing  their ability to get drugs is the first step. That’s why I left California and, moved to an unfamiliar place myself. I took access out of the equation. Which is also why I said, there should be stiffer laws for possession of hard drugs. What percentage of the homeless would you say is due to drug addiction? 50%? You seem to think serving a little time that could quite possibly save them from an overdose is the worst thing that could happen.
If a small portion of those strung out did time, lost access to drugs, were actually taught a useful skill, given treatment while incarcerated, wouldn’t they stand a better chance of not relapsing? Sometimes separating oneself from drugs can lead to better levels of clarity and, self awareness. 

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kbsci wrote:

You proposed sterilizing people as punishment.

ARM670 wrote:
Choices have consequences. Why should my tax dollars go to pay someone to continue to have kids when they wont take care of them? Why should...

Choices have consequences. Why should my tax dollars go to pay someone to continue to have kids when they wont take care of them? Why should my taxes pay for "crackhead Mary" to just keep breeding? If you OD 2 times you should be fixed. If you are on Welfare and have 2 kids you should be fixed. If you can prove that you can be a productive member of society then you can get it reversed (at your expense). The kids that are born into this mess are most of the time are destine to repeat the failures of their parents. The only way to stop it is to stop it. It's past time to stop being a Nation of bleeding hearts and start doing what needs to be done. The boarder is another example of its just time to do the right thing to shut it down. No one is against legal immigration but why do we allow illegals? We are letting the Politicians destroy this country. 

kbsci wrote:

I’m curious where both of you stand on abortion. 

Morally I think its wrong. But I also feel if the Gov is involved it will get more messed up. Plus the last thing the Government should do is talk morals. I think its up to those who have one to decide. They are the ones who have to live with their choices. And yes their are times that its not just used as a form of birth control. 

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0 Zombie-DrugSome of you sensitive boys and girls seem to be dodging the topic at hand, so I'll cut to the chase - FUCK the drug addict homeless, and FUCK the politicians and drug companies making money off them. You only get 1 chance in life, and these people wasted theirs. Making excuses for either party is exactly how its been allowed to get as bad as it has. 

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Some of you sensitive boys and girls seem to be dodging the topic at hand, so I'll cut to the chase - FUCK the drug addict...

0 Zombie-DrugSome of you sensitive boys and girls seem to be dodging the topic at hand, so I'll cut to the chase - FUCK the drug addict homeless, and FUCK the politicians and drug companies making money off them. You only get 1 chance in life, and these people wasted theirs. Making excuses for either party is exactly how its been allowed to get as bad as it has. 

The most lucid post in this thread . I propose that if we take all the emotion out of the discussion , what we are seeing , is natural selection at work. Humans have no more natural predators , but Mother Nature still finds a way to weed out the weak . Evolution can be a bitch . It holds zero regard for feelings , emotions , or human rights . 

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ToolMaker wrote:
You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this. Also, you stated your wife works in...

You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this.

Also, you stated your wife works in this industry and you volunteer in this industry. Are your views based on your's and your wife's experiences? And what is the success rate of the organization she works with? Is her program modeled after other facilities or are other facilities modeled after her facility?

TM

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but...

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but, if you are genuinely interested understanding more about the problems that cause homelessness, the demographics of said homeless, and how to fix them, I highly suggest volunteering at a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, a battered women's shelter, a foster youth home, etc. Everyone I've ever encountered in all of those places, in addition to being amazing people doing the lords work, will fill you in on all that stuff and it'll give you some great one on one experience with the unhoused to help put a face to all the people everyone in here wants to punish into success. I'd recommend making it a regular occurrence but even one time does a pretty amazing job putting a human face to a problem most of us usually only experience in a negative way.  

As per my wife (and a lot of other people in our social circles), she's done the whole gamut of work across many social service fields and my views are based on our collective experiences. Safe to say, given how large our social circles are in this area, we're talking hundreds of years of collective experience. Currently though, my wife is the executive director of a rather large, well – privately funded non profit with incredibly deep pockets is probably a more accurate description – where she is in charge of giving out insane amounts of money to organizations who need their support to do all the great things they do. Of which I will say to the, "you can't put out fires with money" folks, you sure as shit can; you just need the right people pointing where that money goes. Also, "putting out fires with money" is basically the fire department.

And lastly as a quick humble brag about my wife, she does an amazing job helping those who need help. I get to meet a lot of the people they've directly helped and it's one of the most rewarding experiences you'll ever have, too see people who've never really had support or financial means transform into glowing versions of themselves because someone cared and had some extra bucks / time to spare.

"People helping people. It's powerful stuff" (a Wedding Crashers reference again for the older fella's). 

Well, first I'd like to thank you for your contributions. Many people don't have the ability to do significant help. I will say that your advice of participating at the shelter/soup kitchen would probably change some peoples outlook. Yes it would give someone a better understanding of the group of homeless folks. Unfortunately, there are many other issues that also need charitable help and at some point, a person has to say I have done a significant amount and that has to be enough. There are other issues we (my family) tend to focus on these days that we believe are as or more important, or that we could be more effective in a different way.

As far as addressing the questions, pretty much all I got was that you're successful because you get to throw massive amounts of money at it. I was hoping you might more elaborate on the policies implemented to create success. Where your clients come from? Do they come to you when they are ready to change? Or are your clients a mixture of broad spectrum homeless.

Lastly, back to the topic at hand, how do you feel that the homeless can set up camp anywhere? My wife's business is near the University. The students used to park all around here to avoid the $200 per semester parking fee on campus. They since put no parking on the streets so the university could make more money. If the students park on the street, they'll ticket the shit out of them but yet a homeless vehicle can be there for 2 weeks with no intervention by the cops what so ever. 

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Narco-Tourism anyone?  Dude makes 6k$ per month posting these every day.

 

 

 

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Need stuff like this, but legal and patrolled by security. Cheap room houses with communal bathroom and kitchen used to be a thing, then zoning laws...

Need stuff like this, but legal and patrolled by security. Cheap room houses with communal bathroom and kitchen used to be a thing, then zoning laws really took off and these became illegal.

 

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New legislation leaked soon we get the pleasure of paying for tax funded housing for the parasites.

 

 

1/18/2024 6:42pm

A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened?

It attracted home less people who camped out in front of the church, ate the free grub, continued to use drugs and terrified folks who lived around this church.

Well meaning doesn't equal success. 

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A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened? It attracted home less people who camped out in front...

A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened?

It attracted home less people who camped out in front of the church, ate the free grub, continued to use drugs and terrified folks who lived around this church.

Well meaning doesn't equal success. 

Napalm is a solution 😂

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A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened? It attracted home less people who camped out in front...

A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened?

It attracted home less people who camped out in front of the church, ate the free grub, continued to use drugs and terrified folks who lived around this church.

Well meaning doesn't equal success. 

That's exactly the scenario I spelled out earlier about the "ministry" situation in Knoxville. 

 

They centralize them.

Throw them crumbs with pennies on the government dollars they recieve for the estimated count they give in order to keep recieving those funds. 

Then they're left to forage/steal throughout the surrounding areas. 

 

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1/19/2024 6:58am
ToolMaker wrote:
You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this. Also, you stated your wife works in...

You stated in another thread that everyone here is wrong. Please enlighten us with the correct views on this.

Also, you stated your wife works in this industry and you volunteer in this industry. Are your views based on your's and your wife's experiences? And what is the success rate of the organization she works with? Is her program modeled after other facilities or are other facilities modeled after her facility?

TM

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but...

My words around here are worth about as much as "Pip farting on a snare drum" (an Airheads reference for the older fella's), but, if you are genuinely interested understanding more about the problems that cause homelessness, the demographics of said homeless, and how to fix them, I highly suggest volunteering at a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen, a battered women's shelter, a foster youth home, etc. Everyone I've ever encountered in all of those places, in addition to being amazing people doing the lords work, will fill you in on all that stuff and it'll give you some great one on one experience with the unhoused to help put a face to all the people everyone in here wants to punish into success. I'd recommend making it a regular occurrence but even one time does a pretty amazing job putting a human face to a problem most of us usually only experience in a negative way.  

As per my wife (and a lot of other people in our social circles), she's done the whole gamut of work across many social service fields and my views are based on our collective experiences. Safe to say, given how large our social circles are in this area, we're talking hundreds of years of collective experience. Currently though, my wife is the executive director of a rather large, well – privately funded non profit with incredibly deep pockets is probably a more accurate description – where she is in charge of giving out insane amounts of money to organizations who need their support to do all the great things they do. Of which I will say to the, "you can't put out fires with money" folks, you sure as shit can; you just need the right people pointing where that money goes. Also, "putting out fires with money" is basically the fire department.

And lastly as a quick humble brag about my wife, she does an amazing job helping those who need help. I get to meet a lot of the people they've directly helped and it's one of the most rewarding experiences you'll ever have, too see people who've never really had support or financial means transform into glowing versions of themselves because someone cared and had some extra bucks / time to spare.

"People helping people. It's powerful stuff" (a Wedding Crashers reference again for the older fella's). 

So, in the spirit of dialog, what happened to you?

I had some follow up questions as I don't believe you addressed the initial questions. Without addressing the actual questions. Your statement of being able to fix problems by throwing massive money at it works. The take away from your post is, volunteer for a day so we can play on your sympathy and get you to give more money. The issue many and myself believe is the association of spending more money and the increase in homeless. Many here including me believe it's past association and actually causation. The more resources we provide the easier we make it to be homeless for some who could otherwise take the path Chance did.

TM

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1/19/2024 7:06am Edited Date/Time 1/19/2024 7:06am
A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened? It attracted home less people who camped out in front...

A fella opened up a church in my area to minister to the homeless. What happened?

It attracted home less people who camped out in front of the church, ate the free grub, continued to use drugs and terrified folks who lived around this church.

Well meaning doesn't equal success. 

Then watch what happens when the church ultimately cuts them off due to issues-they’ll revolt. A local church was helping folks, but had to stop for various reasons. Within a week, said folks broke in, vandalized windows, stole, and get this-took a shit in the church’s fridge. 

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Need stuff like this, but legal and patrolled by security. Cheap room houses with communal bathroom and kitchen used to be a thing, then zoning laws...

Need stuff like this, but legal and patrolled by security. Cheap room houses with communal bathroom and kitchen used to be a thing, then zoning laws really took off and these became illegal.

 

early wrote:

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I live close to the city of Bryan, so I have been following this before the news broke. It surprises me that out here in NW Ohio that we have a homeless problem. Jobs are plentiful pretty much every factory is hiring. Most that are homeless are either drug related or just don't want to work. My daughters boyfriend moved here after college and could not believe the difference between eastern Ohio and NW. Eastern Ohio is poor and not a lot of work available. Amazing how 3 hours is night and day different. 

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I live close to the city of Bryan, so I have been following this before the news broke. It surprises me that out here in NW...

I live close to the city of Bryan, so I have been following this before the news broke. It surprises me that out here in NW Ohio that we have a homeless problem. Jobs are plentiful pretty much every factory is hiring. Most that are homeless are either drug related or just don't want to work. My daughters boyfriend moved here after college and could not believe the difference between eastern Ohio and NW. Eastern Ohio is poor and not a lot of work available. Amazing how 3 hours is night and day different. 

Man you ain't kidding, once you get past the Huron River I just call it East Indiana. Homeless isn't that big of a problem over this way, heroine/fentenyl/pills are though. The rustbelt/Appalachian dirtiness over here is part of the charm.

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