The homeless problem is about to get way worse.

Help people who want help with basic social programs.  (Mandatory drug Tests) Put the rest in camps in the least desirable location in the country.  Provide them with services, paying tasks(jobs) and a drug/alcohol free environment with mental health support. They leave with enough cash to get a place and skills to get a job.  

Every time they are caught back on drugs back they go.  Zero tolerance for homeless as a lifestyle in society.  Sounds better then just throwing money at enabling programs that haven't done shit but cost billions in tax money.  

Earlier today I had a few  paragraphs laid out but, I ended up deleting it. I tend to be fairly private but, this thread struck a nerve. Seeing  some of the responses I figured F it. 

Unless a person is homeless because of mental issues or, life just happening, I have zero sympathy for them. 

A little disclosure? I got away from drugs 27 years ago. I got clean, left California and, started working my ass off digging ditches for a construction company. 9 months later, I was laid off and, lost my apartment. I packed my shit and, pitched a tent next to a river along the coast. My $85 a week unemployment check paid for non-perishables, propane and, tackle. 
I fished, dived and, spear fished for food. In the middle of winter until I was called back to work. At that point in time, I was only 21.   I wasn’t out holding a cardboard sign. I don’t think I’m better than anyone. I’m just pointing out, if I could get clean on my own  and, not beg while homeless, it’s possible for them to. 
 

@KBSCI This next paragraph is for you. 

 Why the fuck should derelicts be our financial responsibility? You’re part of the problem. Just throw more money at it.   Most of them chose that life. Their camps are littered with needles, fecal matter and, trash. Biohazard is the first thought that comes to my mind. We already pay enough taxes that should be utilized for programs to help the individuals who truly have a desire to lead a more productive life. The others, the only solution is stiffer laws for drugs. Throw their ass in jail for a year if your caught with heroin, meth or, any other hard drug. These drug treatment programs we’re  already paying for are broken. Why can’t drug treatment programs be part of their jail sentence instead of probation requirements?  What’s the cost difference paying for them to be in jail? Put them to work building prisons. Free labor as a reimbursement for our tax dollars housing them.  Make them actually know what it takes to work for that meal. No job skills? Here’s the idiot stick. AKA, the shovel. Now, fuckin dig. Oh, your back hurts? So do the backs of every other hard working American who’s taxes have been housing your ass.
If jail time takes away their ability to use drugs, after awhile, they have a better chance of staying away from it. How’s that for a solution without us paying more. Each inmate working is saving over $100 hr 
replacing laborers being contracted in.

Our system is so corrupt. Legalize personal amounts of heroin, throw them in state funded drug treatment programs and, politicians continue to line their pockets with our tax money that pays that very program. 

 
I might be an asshole when it comes to my opinion on homelessness but, it’s made too easy for them being comfortable living that lifestyle. 
They’re  literally wiping their ass with toilet paper we paid for. 
 

Chance 2024 ! 

The runner up for the stupidest thing posted on vital this year.

The winner at the moment was a few weeks ago when someone posted that guys going to SX races go home and masturbate while thinking of the girl holding the 30 second card.

But hey, don't be discouraged. 

Give it time.

I bet you'll be exceeding that soon.

Part of being charitable is not bragging about the good that you do. I don’t know what Ass35 does with his time and money but he sure seemed to take my words personally right from the start, and I didn’t think my real answer was going to suddenly make him respect me.
 

You’ve just rattled off some ideas that are pretty dark. Even if they could help, they’re not going to happen because they’d be crimes against humanity. Any solution I could come up with would involve allocating funds to transport, house, feed, and educate these people. But as others have said, MANY of these people don’t want that. If you put them in a nice empty building many of them would just wreck it. So, again, I don’t know what to do to help the larger problem. I do give my time and money to individuals and specific groups. 

There is a huge homeless shelter downtown. Driving by that place the people seem to be well taken care of. The place has two requirements...no booze no drugs. So the cats on the street are the issue.

stop feeding the dopers...

You can't even get that right, not a surprise.

Just keep hoping that your Liberal Arts degree will pay off, and you can someday move out of your parents house and experience the real world.

You make your snide comment toward someone as a derogatory statement about their age and or mindset…

All the while, you tell us the same about yourself & contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion. 

I’m jus’ sayin’…

I showed a picture of a massive mental institution I pass regularly that holds thousands of patients. It was full but one day it was empty and been abandoned since. The reason is the government found out that instead of costing money to house all those people they could release them all and give them pills that makes the government money. It's been long enough where those people who were released now have kids that are also on the pills or worse and they all vote. Poverty makes the government so much money. They do not want it to end.  They want it to grow.  Each state gets an amount of money each year for their homeless. The more homeless the more money the area gets. But the homeless only get a paperbag lunch with a tuna sandwich and an apple (which is actually all donated) and the politicians get the rest for "administration fees". Think about it. The richest politicians run the worst cities. Free drugs and needles,  legal theft, catch and release, only arresting if you show signs of a bank account, homeless with $100 meth and fentenal a day. It's a racket. 

When someone supports policies that take away from a future they’re not going to live in, I’m gonna have feelings about. 

Think of it like the school system.  Each school gets a set amount of money depending on their average grade. If the school has low test scores the school doesn't get its money.  For some reason the kids these days couldn't pass the tests that myself and my parents passed. It was a huge problem mainly because the schools started teaching teachers ideals instead of as much math, science, history  etc. so the kids were not as prepared. So they made the tests easier but they still couldn't do it.  So they took out all the hard questions and made the answers obvious. They pass now and all think they are so smart but do you see the consequences now in society?  It was just to get more money for the schools, it worked so well its the same for the poverty scheme. 

You think my thoughts about closing our borders and having the military guard them, and preventing violent criminals and drug addict mothers from destroying more children's lives are "Pretty Dark" and "Crimes against humanity"?   I'm not even sure how to respond to that.  Must be my boomer mentality of actually trying to solve a problem so my grandkids and their kids have a better world to live in. 

I will say, I do feel sorry for older homeless people, especially women. You can see it in their faces that the odds of making a comeback, so to speak, is slim. The regret in their lifeless eyes. There are times when I will take a moment to give them a few bucks, pat them on the shoulder and look them in the eye as if to let them know I know they are suffering.

Their was a young guy this past summer that was sitting on the curb to the side of the convenience store where I sometimes get gas. His head was hanging and he mumbled, asking for some money as I walked by. I said no and I asked him if I could buy him some food from inside the store. He said no, said he needed money, his head still pointing toward the pavement . His last words toward me were "I'm sick". Meaning of course he was dope sick. I said I was sorry and went on about my way.

I do think about him, wondering, as Titan mentioned, that if I did not have the family structure I did, could I have been like him? In the end a fella has to go about his day and do his best...can't save em all.

Well fuck you too bro. And read my post above. I'm more concerned about the world "I'm not going to live in" than you think

You proposed sterilizing people as punishment.

Well yeah that's a fair a point but aside from helping a few individuals and giving some money to programs that aren't helping what do we do about the future ? Do you have kids ? Just curious to see if were coming from the same point of view. I lived in Ca my whole life and watched this place transform from awesome to the mess it is now. Tough problems require tough solutions. And you're right I might croak tomorrow, I probably shouldn't even buy green banana's lol. I'm concerned about my kids kids and their kids etc. The current trend isn't giving me a confident feeling about their future that's all. Fuck me I had a great life. I'd like them to have the same   

Dealt with this kid/troll/poser on another thread, same shit.  The "Okay Boomer" comment pretty much nailed it.  But your "past username", comment got me thinking.  It is interesting that most of these new accounts showing up all seem to lean left.  

I asked a pretty simple question as the first comment on this post and got attacked for it. 

I dedicated a whole paragraph to you. 

You never responded.  
 

The more you respond, the more you sound like one of those avocado, wheat bread, granola fucks with a degree in liberal arts thinking they should be tipped $10 for throwing a sandwich in the microwave. 
 

I paid 30K in taxes last year. That’s the equivalent of just over $84 a day. $10.56 per hour. For what? So, people like you can vote to have people like me pay more? 
 

You’re  the problem.
Go live in a homeless camp for 6 months. 
Unless you’ve lived in their shoes, you’re talking out your ass with any ideas you think would help them. 


 

And I just want to attempt to clarify that I don’t think your ideas are wrong! They would help, but we can’t do it. We also can’t do things like force them to dig ditches or build prisons, because that crosses into slavery.

The main complaint that I see amounts to “They’re annoying.” Whether they are making a public area look worse, driving down property values, knocking on your car window, or being supported by tax dollars, they are annoying. And that’s why I ask these annoyed people what they think can be done to solve a very human problem.

I feared having kids from when I was very young, because I fear what their world will be like. A friend, who is smarter than I am, helped a bit when she said “Our kids will figure it out, because they will have to. Education, jobs and the things we value evolve to focus on the problems of the day.”

I hope you don’t croak tomorrow and I’m sorry for lobbing that one in your general direction. 

Past user name…?

Well, this is gonna require some research. 

I didn’t read it. 

There will never a political solution to homelessness in a free country.

Because, like I've said before. 

There's a few here, and who've been here, ramped up their aggression and get clipped, who can't stand conversations between people who don't follow the narrative that they've been fed.

So they slink back in.

You're right.

Same vitriol, different username, always a recent sign up. 

A few posts in moto, then move over here to troll with the same, tired, bullshit. 

It happens on forums of all kinds where there's a "random" section for conversation unrelated to the regular forum.

Mt bikes/cycling,

Backpacking,

Any open forum.

What is it you think you know about these people that makes you to assume these things? 

You’ve got people in here that employ people and provide their families with a career, income, benefits, funding for their kids college…etc., etc., etc. …

So, one has to ask,”What have you done?” 

Btw, at the onset I posted a Shellenberger article. It covers a lot of what’s being discussed.

Signed, 

An old dude 

But, you think digging ditches is slavery. So, you did read it. 

That’s the problem with people in your category of stupidity for lack of better words. 
I came up with a solution that would save tax payers money and, because it didn’t fit whatever it is called (thought process?) your response is, I didn’t read it. 

Digging ditches was good enough for myself. 
The guy who found a job with a future who managed to get off drugs. Slavery? We’re all slaves to the dollar dummy. 
I also included the word labor. That was my job title at one point. That word isn’t limited to a chain gang digging  ditches. Your lack of verbal interpretation shows, your inability to think outside your little box. 
Painters are in a labor trade. Window cleaners? That’s also a labor trade. 
 

Your arts degree didn’t pay off did it.