Church Of 350, what's on your wish list?

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Obviously we can't say "money no option" because we're all mere mortals around here, BUT say you're flush with cash and you've got a bone stock bike, what's on your wish list to make it work better for you? 

I'm a +30 intermediate that's always just adapted to whatever setup is on my bike, but I've had some struggles getting a really good feeling on my 19 350sxf and I'd like to change that for 2024. Does a guy go full send and get CVs and a trax even though I'll never be fast enough to put it to work? Ohlins for a bit less money? Gold valves are really affordable, or just go to a local shop and get a revalve there on the AER? 

What made your bike work better for you? Help a brother out. 

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12/30/2023 7:54pm

KYB inserts from Technical Touch, easy enough to install yourself. Maybe a Twisted Vortex and just ride it

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12/30/2023 7:56pm

Hmmmmm...

A YZ350F

A KX350F

A Triumph TF 350-X?

I'm jus' wishin'...

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12/30/2023 8:10pm Edited Date/Time 12/30/2023 9:11pm

On my 21 I did CV forks and oem shock revalve from REP, WP Factory split triple clamps, Vortex from XPR… that was it… Best motorcycle I have ever owned! 

I am between bikes as my L Scaphoid heals slowly but surely and will grab most likely a 25 350 SXf … I have the forks in the garage and they will still work. I have the Vortex and will have it reflashed by XPR this spring/summer when the bikes come out. 

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Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them.

I also struggled with setup, went from 4CS to Lucky carbons and could not get them to do what I wanted to do. Got so pissed off bought a used set of cones local and shaved seconds off lap times due to just being comfortable and having confidence in the front end. 

IMO good suspension setup is always justifiable and worth the money, safety/comfort.
 

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UGOTBIT wrote:
Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them. I also struggled with setup, went from...

Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them.

I also struggled with setup, went from 4CS to Lucky carbons and could not get them to do what I wanted to do. Got so pissed off bought a used set of cones local and shaved seconds off lap times due to just being comfortable and having confidence in the front end. 

IMO good suspension setup is always justifiable and worth the money, safety/comfort.
 

Did you get air or conventional CVs? 

12/30/2023 8:26pm
Rotaholic wrote:

KYB inserts from Technical Touch, easy enough to install yourself. Maybe a Twisted Vortex and just ride it

This. I rode my friends '23 with KYB's and I still prefer my '20 350 XCF.

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I have the race tech revalve/gold valve on my 19. Better then stock but not as good as my stock 24 300sx

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UGOTBIT wrote:
Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them. I also struggled with setup, went from...

Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them.

I also struggled with setup, went from 4CS to Lucky carbons and could not get them to do what I wanted to do. Got so pissed off bought a used set of cones local and shaved seconds off lap times due to just being comfortable and having confidence in the front end. 

IMO good suspension setup is always justifiable and worth the money, safety/comfort.
 

bmartens wrote:

Did you get air or conventional CVs? 

Spring.

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UGOTBIT wrote:
Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them. I also struggled with setup, went from...

Cone Valves changed my life and I don’t even know the setup, spring rates or oil height in them.

I also struggled with setup, went from 4CS to Lucky carbons and could not get them to do what I wanted to do. Got so pissed off bought a used set of cones local and shaved seconds off lap times due to just being comfortable and having confidence in the front end. 

IMO good suspension setup is always justifiable and worth the money, safety/comfort.
 

bmartens wrote:

Did you get air or conventional CVs? 

UGOTBIT wrote:

Spring.

Nice. I've got a potential line on a set of spring CVs or a set of air + Trax. Did the shock with the revalve make quite a difference? The thought of spending a couple G's and then having to revalve still makes me cringe a little bit. 

12/30/2023 10:42pm

Cone valves and TD vortex have been my best mods. Oem shock is good, even better after a revalve. A cheaper alternative to the cv is the 6500 cartridges 

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12/30/2023 10:49pm

That era AER is really bad, go KYB inserts or 6500’s and revalve your stock shock. Spend what you saved on a vertex. 

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TeamGreen wrote:

Hmmmmm...

A YZ350F

A KX350F

A Triumph TF 350-X?

I'm jus' wishin'...

Nailed it.. For the life of me I can't understand how these other MFG'ers don't see the 350 market as wide open and wanting alternatives. 

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TeamGreen wrote:

Hmmmmm...

A YZ350F

A KX350F

A Triumph TF 350-X?

I'm jus' wishin'...

PTshox wrote:

Nailed it.. For the life of me I can't understand how these other MFG'ers don't see the 350 market as wide open and wanting alternatives. 

It's not like it's even much work to get one to market, mind blowing... Still 🤦

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If you practice and ride tracks only 350s makes no sense to me at all . Why modify it other than  suspension. It’s already more than a 250 and will never be a 450. 

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I get what you mean, but I think for some, it's a totally different feel, powerband and delivery, etc.

As a totally over the top and pretty rough example, say you have a 350hp Camaro Vs a 350hp Civic... One has a load of grunt but a lot of inertia and that weighty feeling too. The other is comparatively a lightweight screamer.

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Vortex from Twisted or XPR 

mx34 tires

2 stroke filter cage 

KYB inserts

Full exhaust

maybe engine mounts depending on which year bike.

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12/31/2023 5:03am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2023 5:05am

Rear axle from 2001-2002 husq cr 125/250…

 

PC racing airbox seal gasket.

 

spare starter relays, 10a fuses in your parts bin.

 

carbon fiber ignition wire cover

 

14-52 gearing.

 

throttle jockey one piece black seat cover.

 

p.s. kyb converted forks are a great addition and I just happen to have some for sale, im only asking $1300

 

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Tuned Vortex, conevalves, slip on muffler. T4 fuel. Can get great deal on used traxx shock for this generation now, but I have been very happy with correct spring for my weight and Factory Connection revalve & bladder kit. . I like taller bars. The new 350”s come with 52 rear sprocket, I liked the 51 on my 21 & 22 350”s. The tuned Vortex difference is huge, the bikes just never stop revving & pulling. 

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viking174 wrote:
If you practice and ride tracks only 350s makes no sense to me at all . Why modify it other than  suspension. It’s already more than...

If you practice and ride tracks only 350s makes no sense to me at all . Why modify it other than  suspension. It’s already more than a 250 and will never be a 450. 

Watch every single video on Youtube that compares 350 lap times to 450 lap times with people of all skill levels and every single time the 350 wins hands down by massive margin. The lap time difference is usually between 1-2 seconds per lap and every time the dim wits say they have to ride a 450 because the torque… they just can’t see through the proof! 

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12/31/2023 9:24am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2023 9:25am
viking174 wrote:
If you practice and ride tracks only 350s makes no sense to me at all . Why modify it other than  suspension. It’s already more than...

If you practice and ride tracks only 350s makes no sense to me at all . Why modify it other than  suspension. It’s already more than a 250 and will never be a 450. 

bvm111 wrote:
Watch every single video on Youtube that compares 350 lap times to 450 lap times with people of all skill levels and every single time the...

Watch every single video on Youtube that compares 350 lap times to 450 lap times with people of all skill levels and every single time the 350 wins hands down by massive margin. The lap time difference is usually between 1-2 seconds per lap and every time the dim wits say they have to ride a 450 because the torque… they just can’t see through the proof! 

The amount of power at 350 does or doesn’t make isn’t what makes it such a good bike. IMOP

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Rear axle from 2001-2002 husq cr 125/250…   PC racing airbox seal gasket.   spare starter relays, 10a fuses in your parts bin.   carbon fiber...

Rear axle from 2001-2002 husq cr 125/250…

 

PC racing airbox seal gasket.

 

spare starter relays, 10a fuses in your parts bin.

 

carbon fiber ignition wire cover

 

14-52 gearing.

 

throttle jockey one piece black seat cover.

 

p.s. kyb converted forks are a great addition and I just happen to have some for sale, im only asking $1300

 

I just had a 10amp fuse go in my 300. I almost gave up and took the bike to the shop. A freind stopped by in the middle of my cussing and throwing tools around trying to start it. He said check the fuses.that was it! 

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Save up some cha Ching and send your suspension out to Enzo and get the Kyb conversion with spring tubes as well as rear shock Kyb hybrid or just get stock done with a bladder kit to save some money.  Be very honest with your terrain riding speed ability etc and if you feel like you need more pep get a vortex 

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bvm111 wrote:
Watch every single video on Youtube that compares 350 lap times to 450 lap times with people of all skill levels and every single time the...

Watch every single video on Youtube that compares 350 lap times to 450 lap times with people of all skill levels and every single time the 350 wins hands down by massive margin. The lap time difference is usually between 1-2 seconds per lap and every time the dim wits say they have to ride a 450 because the torque… they just can’t see through the proof! 

Lap times do NOT directly translate to race results.

350 vs 450 in racing with a like for like rider, not always but more often than not the 450 will win. Because, if you can get a wheel ahead out of a corner or on the straight, you will likely make the pass or retain the position.

We see this in vet racing all the time. 

This may diminish as the 350 power creeps up, but that's been my experience at a club and national vet level.

Despite that, I'm considering a 350. I think i'm at a stage where constantly riding (1-2 times a week) to stay 450 fit is becoming a drag. Maybe. Smile

 

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I managed to find a brand new supertrax locally for 50% retail, so it's looking like that might be the move along with some Cones. 

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Looking at how KTM has pulled it off (making a 350) does make it appear “easy”; but, it never is. From the additional R&D budget to the additional manufacturing & parts requirements…it appears that the other builders aren’t seeing it…yet.

I could see Beta and Triumph offering up a 350 in the near future. But, that’s just a hopeful guess.

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The chain guide and slider has been freaking bulletproof on my 2022 ktm350sxf.   80 hours on the stock stuff.  Bike is bulletproof

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TeamGreen wrote:
Looking at how KTM has pulled it off (making a 350) does make it appear “easy”; but, it never is. From the additional R&D budget to...

Looking at how KTM has pulled it off (making a 350) does make it appear “easy”; but, it never is. From the additional R&D budget to the additional manufacturing & parts requirements…it appears that the other builders aren’t seeing it…yet.

I could see Beta and Triumph offering up a 350 in the near future. But, that’s just a hopeful guess.

You've clearly been arounnddd and are more plugged in than most here (and immeasurably more than I am), so I'm not arguing 👍

The parts pile to bump an existing 250 up to a 350 just seems like it should be fairly light?

Cylinder and piston, a rod if length or strength make it a necessity... Worst case say it needed a crank and cams, you'd expect they'd go in the same 250 castings?

The existing fuel pump, injector(s) and ECU besides a minor map tweak should be cool with an extra 100cc, no way there's that little headroom in an OE item, and even so the injectors are bought in from elsewhere. The gearing tweak should be doable with sprockets? Even if they compromised a little for the first generation people would still line up.

I guess it's pretty well calculated by the Japanese but it just doesn't seem too crazy for how much money they give away to the Austrians every year, looking in from the outside?

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TeamGreen wrote:
Looking at how KTM has pulled it off (making a 350) does make it appear “easy”; but, it never is. From the additional R&D budget to...

Looking at how KTM has pulled it off (making a 350) does make it appear “easy”; but, it never is. From the additional R&D budget to the additional manufacturing & parts requirements…it appears that the other builders aren’t seeing it…yet.

I could see Beta and Triumph offering up a 350 in the near future. But, that’s just a hopeful guess.

Beta's off road 4t lineup has a 350/390/430/480. Would be interesting to see a 350 from them, as KTM has zero competition currently.

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Mine is a factory edition 350 it's stupid we can't get one.

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crusher773 wrote:

Mine is a factory edition 350 it's stupid we can't get one.

I’m realize it’s an EX and not an SX…but, it does get the job done. 
E94A34E0-3796-4F77-A9A9-F3894D2110F8.jpeg?VersionId=tyO85YL4CL2024 350 XC-F Factory Edition 

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